This article makes you wonder.

[Java65]

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...cebook&utm_campaign=echobox&utm_term=Autofeed

For those that don't want to read it A. Randle El talks about at 36 his body being broken down and mental issues. He said that if he could go back in time he would not play football.

 

[perseverare]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Java65]

Perse, I think Randle El is saying even for the money he wouldn't play. He's not the first ex-NFL player to make similar statements. Heck, even Terry Bradshaw said knowing what he knows now he would never let his son play football.

 

[perseverare]

but they already have the money when they say it.

Football is reflecting the violent times we live in.

Soylent Green may someday be moved from Sci-Fi to Documentary

 

[NDEwing18]

but they already have the money when they say it.

Football is reflecting the violent times we live in.

Soylent Green may someday be moved from Sci-Fi to Documentary

I'm not as cynical as you. I'm not sure any amount of money would compensate you for your body breaking down at age 36 or for not recognizing your children or grandchildren.

 

[perseverare]

^ oh sure, and kids taking steroids to get advantage so they can someday strike it rich, agree with you!

Where Are you in Terabithia?

these kids think they are invincible!

 

[schadenfreude]

I'm not as cynical as you. I'm not sure any amount of money would compensate you for your body breaking down at age 36 or for not recognizing your children or grandchildren.

Hard to say how much of that is attributable to football. Also, in my cynical world view, it seems to me like a lot of these former players smell a big settlement and they just are saving themselves a place in line.

Slightly OT: photo of former Red Wings goalie Terry Sawchuk who played in the NHL until 1970. Increased risk is one component of increased pay.

 

[NDEwing18]

Hard to say how much of that is attributable to football. Also, in my cynical world view, it seems to me like a lot of these former players smell a big settlement and they just are saving themselves a place in line.

What else would you attribute it to?

 

[perseverare]

the perils of some sports are so incredibly obvious, that it would be rediculous to argue that someone was not fully aware of the 'Enter at your own Risk' perils. For those that enter: $>risk

 

[NDEwing18]

the perils of some sports are so incredibly obvious, that it would be rediculous to argue that someone was not fully aware of the 'Enter at your own Risk' perils. For those that enter: $>risk

The question is not whether players were aware of risks, but rather whether the NFL and its teams intentionally hid information or misled players.

 

[perseverare]

The question is not whether players were aware of risks, but rather whether the NFL and its teams intentionally hid information or misled players.

hide it from who! wtf: are they living on another planet! naive beyond stupid!

 

[Java65]

the perils of some sports are so incredibly obvious, that it would be rediculous to argue that someone was not fully aware of the 'Enter at your own Risk' perils. For those that enter: $>risk

Sure, but that's why there are laws that protect minors because they lack the capacity to make reasonable decisions.

We don't let kids vote because of this. Kids can't make their own medical decisions. The sad reality is too many of these kids have parents that are not necessarily looking out for their son's best interest.

 

[NDEwing18]

hide it from who! wtf: are they living on another planet! naive beyond stupid!

I don't think you understand how assumption of risk works.

 

[Java65]

The question is not whether players were aware of risks, but rather whether the NFL and its teams intentionally hid information or misled players.

IMO, it starts way before the NFL. It's not the 2, 3 or 5 years you are in the NFL, it's the prolonged head trauma, especially at an early age, that leads to these problems.

I read a great article a number of years back about 2 guys that played at Oregon (didn't play NFL) and the physical problems they had from carrying so much extra weight. One guy was over 300 lbs and after college he got healthy and his natural body weight was 230.

 

[scubastevefl]

I don't have much pity, I got a buddy who was in the Marine Corps. Late 80's early 90's his body is beat, not combat injuries, just wear and tear, tho I don't see anybody crying for him. We all make our choices, wonder if Randel El would be crying if baseball steroids destroyed his mind and body?

 

[NDEwing18]

IMO, it starts way before the NFL. It's not the 2, 3 or 5 years you are in the NFL, it's the prolonged head trauma, especially at an early age, that leads to these problems.

I read a great article a number of years back about 2 guys that played at Oregon (didn't play NFL) and the physical problems they had from carrying so much extra weight. One guy was over 300 lbs and after college he got healthy and his natural body weight was 230.

I agree - it's not necessarily the NFL hits, but the hits over a prolonged period of time that add up.

 

[NDEwing18]

I don't have much pity, I got a buddy who was in the Marine Corps. Late 80's early 90's his body is beat, not combat injuries, just wear and tear, tho I don't see anybody crying for him. We all make our choices, wonder if Randel El would be crying if baseball steroids destroyed his mind and body?

You've never seen anyone concerned about our veterans?

 

[scubastevefl]

Ewing

Just illustrating that these pro athletes cry because they do something physically taxing, lots of people choose professions that beat the body, not all of them are crying and they made a hell lot less money.

I didn't phrase that correctly

 

[NDEwing18]

Ewing

Just illustrating that these pro athletes cry because they do something physically taxing, lots of people choose professions that beat the body, not all of them are crying and they made a hell lot less money.

I didn't phrase that correctly

Not necessarily sure that they're "crying" as much as they're being interviewed because this is an issue that's generally of the public interest. I'm sure there are a number of factory workers, miners, etc., who have long-term health problems but in general, people don't care to read about them on an everyday basis. Those factory workers, miners, etc., who do suffer long-term health effects that their employers knew about but didn't disclose still end up suing for money.

Being compensated more in the past is not a bar to a legal recovery.

 

[Bodizephax]

This concussion issue is overblown. I have had plenty of them in my life and have no issues. I guess my brain is all powerful.

 

[perseverare]

I don't think you understand how assumption of risk works.

here is how it works: walk into a store and buy a pack of cigarettes and you are your own worst enemy and have no one to blame!

players in the 50' and sixties into mid seventies might have a case! after that: see the above!

 

[NDEwing18]

here is how it works: walk into a store and buy a pack of cigarettes and you are your own worst enemy and have no one to blame!

players in the 50' and sixties into mid seventies might have a case! after that: see the above!

Thank you for proving my point that you do not understand assumption of risk.

 

[Nocalirish]

Arguably MMA is the hottest sport right now and it is much worse on athletes than boxing or football. Football is a gladiator sport and doesnt give out participation trophies. It is dangerous just like car racing and that is why people watch
it and pay money to do so. Making dangerous sports safer is fine as long they dont change the nature of the sport. It is why we watch.

 

[Bodizephax]

Thank you for proving my point that you do not understand assumption of risk.

Life is an assumption of risk.

 

[perseverare]

thank you for proving that you fail to recognize personal responsibility

 

[IRISHJD98]

the perils of some sports are so incredibly obvious, that it would be rediculous to argue that someone was not fully aware of the 'Enter at your own Risk' perils. For those that enter: $>risk

Its seems to me that having successful former NFL players publicly talk about whether their NFL career was worth the toll it took on their body can only serve to help young athletes better assess the level of risk they undertake.

IMO Randle El didn't seem to be asking for pity, he said he loved football but he wishes would have played baseball instead (he was drafted by the Cubs).

 

[perseverare]

reflection - The thing is it is the same story, 'not me'; but then.

I remeber a special on Bettis and how he could not walk on Mondays. Thatvwascacwhilecago and most future players should be familiar with that piece.

 

[NDEwing18]

thank you for proving that you fail to recognize personal responsibility

Maybe the NFL should have taken personal responsibility and not hid certain risks to its players.

I understand what is recognized as a proper legal theory. Assumption of risk isn't a blanket defense except for simple-minded people.

 

[Granite45]

Making dangerous sports safer is fine as long they dont change the nature of the sport. It is why we watch.

Are you suggesting that protecting the spectator's enjoyment is more important than protecting the health of the players?

 

[Granite45]

Life is an assumption of risk.

There is still the issue whether players were provided all available information or if some knowledge was kept from them. Educating people about the risks involved in life is one reason why the government provides some of the funding for scientific and medical research.

 

[Bodizephax]

Hard to say how much of that is attributable to football. Also, in my cynical world view, it seems to me like a lot of these former players smell a big settlement and they just are saving themselves a place in line.

Slightly OT: photo of former Red Wings goalie Terry Sawchuk who played in the NHL until 1970. Increased risk is one component of increased pay.

That dude looks like a retread from a Twilight Zone movie !

 

[Duo]

When my sons were entering HS they did some summer workouts with a Pro QB. His advice to them was, "Forget football and practice your golf and tennis!"

 

[perseverare]

There is still the issue whether players were provided all available information or if some knowledge was kept from them. Educating people about the risks involved in life is one reason why the government provides some of the funding for scientific and medical research.

there is a commercial running on TV about car insurance and the consumer doing due diligence!
CAR INSURANCE

When it come to your health and well being, don't you think one would put in a similar or more exhausted effort?
The only person that cares about you like you do is YOU!

AND, forget NDE and the legal crap; when it gets to lawsuits or court cases: damage done!
$ will not get health or restored brain activity! Think while you can!

risk informed, risk taken, risk assumed, risk accountable, risk responsible

 

[Java65]

Another article. Now that we know more and more about CTE I'm betting that as they do autopsies just about every player that played in college (assuming they played pee-wee and HS football) will have CTE to some degree or another.

The more I read on this the more I think either football will be gone in my lifetime or there will be rules severely limiting impact.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...ash-found-to-have-advanced-cte-151631159.html

 

[perseverare]

war is bad for your health too! be nice if that was gone too!

 

[McIlhennyIrish]

If he did not spend all his money on gold chains and handguns, he would be fine. Now that he is broke, time to sue. Pathetic.

 

[greengael]

Maybe the NFL should have taken personal responsibility and not hid certain risks to its players.

I understand what is recognized as a proper legal theory. Assumption of risk isn't a blanket defense except for simple-minded people.

Volens non fit inuria. How does a league take "personal" responsibility? When did the risks become reasonably apparent, or are they yet?