Great post! Perfectly summarized. Shame it will be lost on Irishmike, Pennick.
"The Way We Hear It: Brian Kelly wants out of South Bend, but no NFL team wants him"
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This is great. So, you have been listening to and watching a guy who hates Notre Dame weekly for 20 years.
You truly are a yoyo. Thanks for the chuckles.
supporting him is abandoning ND and ND values; how about you just promise to leave with him? Clear you are a Kelly clan member and have no allegiance to ND! You just 'outed' yourself.
This thread is hilarious nobody is taking this report seriously outside of people that hate nd or the echo chamber of idiots that want bk gone this year.
The source of hubs report is jim harbaugh people because he assumed the jive turkey that sourced the rams rumor was either bk or urbs. Jim said that himself. Well he can't attack urbs who has more skins on the wall and he can't beat. So Jim goes after an easy target in bk.
Really, the NFL doesn't want a coach fresh off a 4-8 season? Yawner of a report.
Bk made 2 great hires, he's staying next year and if we make good progress in our most deficient areas (D and special teams) we will be a lot better next year. Probably enough for a more amicable split for all parties which may be unavoidable at this point.
The source of hubs report is jim harbaugh people because he assumed the jive turkey that sourced the rams rumor was either bk or urbs. Jim said that himself. Well he can't attack urbs who has more skins on the wall and he can't beat. So Jim goes after an easy target in bk.
Really, the NFL doesn't want a coach fresh off a 4-8 season? Yawner of a report.
Bk made 2 great hires, he's staying next year and if we make good progress in our most deficient areas (D and special teams) we will be a lot better next year. Probably enough for a more amicable split for all parties which may be unavoidable at this point.
You should probably keep your Jim Harbaugh conspiracy theory to yourself. It's up there with the moon landing being faked.
OK, let's find out what the real truth is. But if he is looking - he is gone!!! Period. Don't care how many coaches he hired. This is way beyond that now. This is terribly embarrassing to the University.
Hub is a football/Chicago Bears insider. In the world of Chicago sports media, he's pretty much unavoidable. Especially during the fall and winter.
Who is going to fire him? Jack? BOT? Who specifically will mandate that he's gone?
You'd like me to stop because it ruins the credibility of the report and you just so want bk gone as fast as possible. Sorry reality is on my side here. I'll just assume you are out of town stupid on Hub and his consistent schilling for UM over the years.
Cmon, Pers. Stop with the Kelly Clan stuff. I've been posting on this site, under the same name since well before Brian Kelly coming to ND was even a rumor.
Kelly will be on the sidelines next season, at ND. That is a fact. I'm supporting him and the team 100%.
IMO, supporting Kelly is contradictory to supporting the team. He's not going to suddenly become a good coach in year 8.
He's written very favorable articles about ND players. Can you give examples on why people should question/challenge his veracity?
The only idiots would be supposed ND fans that don't want him gone. He's an awful coach and that's a fact.
He's a radio guy primarily particularly when it comes to college football. His main thing is an NFL publication and joint site but he's said many times on the score airwaves he's a um fan and he's consistently taken up for Jim. Others have backed me up on this but if it makes you feel better about your point then ignore reality because I can't 'source' a radio quote to your satisfaction. I'm fine with you carrying on.
I've listened to Hub for almost 20 years, never heard him say terrible things about ND. He may have criticized someone, but that's sports and sports reporting. Doesn't anyone find it interesting that Pouncey, now Denbrook and other recruits are leaving the program? Doesn't anyone wonder why? And now hearing - that the entire nation, on radio, TV see Kelly is looking for another job that something is not right? Is this activity normal? For any program? What's with you people? How many dots do you need connected?
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You don't understand the word fact very well. He's not an elite coach and perhaps my thought thathe was next tier is wrong, but one thing he's not is an awful coach.
I understand the word perfectly and he is awful. You just cannot admit you were wrong about him and you would rather see ND saddled with him than admit that not only is he not elite, he is bad.
Not gonna go through the Hub Arkush archives looking for specifics. He's a Michigan grad, and personal friend of Harbaugh. He's not an ND friend/supporter/ally---never has been. If you live in Chicago and have access to Hubs articles and shows, you would certainly agree w me.
He can't CGVR. I live in the Chicago area as well and have listened to Hub for the same 20 odd years. He's a Michigan man no doubt, but I've never heard him skewer the Irish on the consistent basis that has been put forth by some here. Besides, he has a reputation for veracity. How does it serve him or the publications he writes for by spreading false rumor and innuendo about Kelly. He has long-time connections to the Bears. My guess is that he knows Trace Armstrong, a former Bear and I believe one of Kelly's reps, pretty well. He also has great connections around the NFL. I'm not saying Kelly's reps put this story out there, but Hub has the connections and sources to obtain multiple confirmations that it is true. Hell, he may gotten the story from his NFL sources and called Armstrong to confirm it. That's my guess. Hub would face major backlash if he just put BS out there about Kelly to sink the Irish.
I think it benefits ND that he comes back next year and wins 8+ games rather then leave us in a complete mess right now. I don't want to be saddled with him. I want ND to be in a stronger position to go to market then off a 4-8 season. That means we let bk bring a good D.C. and st coach (check), and bring us back to respectability next year. That way he can leave without us having to buy him out entirely a year after extending him, as he'll be in demand somewhere more than coming off a 4-8 year. Bk has won 8+ games every year here except 2016, the only outlier. Your are saying he's awful based on the outlier. It's not factual. He's not elite, but he's capable of another 8+ win season next year. Which is in everyone's best interest right now.
I've never accused Hub of skewering ND not once in this thread. Is it hard to believe an NFL team doesn't want bk after a 4-8 year, what exactly is the point of reporting that? It hurts the credibility of the report right off the bat.
It's not hard to believe an NFL team doesn't want Kelly after a 4-8 year. I guess what is newsworthy about it is the apparent desperation by Kelly to latch onto an NFL job to escape South Bend, and the fact that no one in the NFL will listen. There is no story if Kelly's reps weren't out there trying to get him out of Notre Dame.
Well that is unless Jim leaks it that bk was desperately looking. It'd be hard to be desperately looking and hiring two key assistants wouldn't it?
The dots are pretty easy to connect here people. Jim viewed the report by PFT that the rams would pay him and Jim would listen as rumors leaked by other coaches to ruin him and recruiting. Well what better way to get back than leak that report about bk through a friend to um (Hub)? Within 30 minutes of that rams report surfacing the first person to refute that report wasn't some Ann Arbor beat reporter, it was Hub arkush. Let's not be naive people.
Maybe you should look at what he's written about Manti Teo (compared him to Butkus) and Jaylon Smith (was glad to see he was drafted in second round and didn't free fall because of the serious knee injury) in addition to what CGVR posted about what he wrote about Kizer. I live in the Chicago area and have read Hub on a regular basis. I don't agree with you.
8 wins is crap at ND and I will never accept that 8 wins is anything other than bad. He's blown 2-4 games nearly every year he should have easily won. Sure bad games happen but 2-4 times every year!?
Currently NDs recruiting class is ranked 10th on 247 composite and it's likely they lose another player or so. Currently the only 2 recruits ND is in great position with are Martin (doubtful now that Denbrock is gone) and Simmons so it's likely ND will finish somewhere around 15. How many kids do you think are going to be high on ND to start the season next year, not too many and an 8 win season isn't going to convince them to come. Also, it's possible they only win 6 games which will impact recruiting even more. So we are probably looking at back-to-back mediocre recruiting classes. How does that help the next coach?
I'm not saying Kelly is awful based on 2016 alone. I'm saying he's awful because he has consistently taken teams with enough talent to win 10 or 11 games and somehow wins only 8. He is great at developing talent but he is one of the worst game coaches I have ever seen. From game prep to game time decisions he gets it wrong nearly every time... awful coach.
You don't have to agree w me. It's a free country, we're both entitled to our opinions. I've listened to Hub for many years, I like him. I actually have a friend who works for him. That being said, he's a UM Grad/ and close Harbaugh friend. Hub is no friend to ND, and took pleasure in seeing the terrible year that we had.
Oh man he had good things to say about Jaylon and manti? It'd only be a story on his credibility if he didn't say good things, jeez both guys were speculated as 1-2nd round guys in the draft. I can only speak for myself I've never accused Hub of having an axe to grind on ND. Only that he'd be more than happy to run a rumor sourced by Jim that is both hard to refute and a yawner, that might help Jim recruit etc.
Your dots are not easy to connect. How do you know those reports about Harbaugh and the Rams came from other college coaches, Kelly in particular? You don't. By your logic, Urban Meyer or James Franklin or Paul Chryst or Mark Dantonio could be the source of the story. What has Harbaugh done to burn them? Harbaugh can see that the ND football program is currently a dumpster fire. He has nothing to worry about in South Bend. He's also getting ready to play the Noles in a bowl game.
Maybe he's not a friend to ND. Most Michigan alums are not and vice versa. Your point was that Hub consistently bad mouths Notre Dame in what he says and what he writes. Produce the material he's written that knocks ND or a radio clip that does the same.
I've never said I was happy with 8 wins as the bar. You set up a lot of straw man arguments just to prove he's awful. If that's your opinion I can't change it so ill move on. It's hard to think it'd be better to go to market to get a coach now after all the coaching changes have been made and after a 4-8 season then after an improved season. 8 wins isn't my bar either, but it's good enough for him to leave and for us not to pay him out, and hiring a coach right now would be a total disaster. I can't believe anyone would argue that?
You don't have proof that the source of the Harbaugh to the Rams story came from Kelly. Harbaugh doesn't need help to out recruit ND. He's more concerned about out recruiting the likes of Ohio State and Alabama and Clemson. You see he wants to get Michigan a national title in the not so distant future and unlike your hero Brian Kelly if Harbaugh or his reps picked up the phone and called about an NFL job, he would get it and probably close to 10 million dollars a year to do it. Get off the crack pipe.
I don't know, that's what JIM flat out said HIMSELF. He called the rumors planted by other coaches and called them jive turkeys. It practically went viral man, try and keep up.
Ive advicated moving on from BK in THIS thread. Yet he's my hero? Take your own advice.
Oh, I don't think they are going to fire him now after all the coaching changes. I also think ND is the only school around that wouldn't have fired Kelly given his entire resume at ND. Not firing him after USC was just ND caring only about money.
I also think 9 wins is max next year and I could easily see a 6 win season. Our DC is some guy no other big program was clamoring for. Kelly has proven to be a worse OC than he is a HC. We are paper thin at almost every position on defense so any injuries there and it could get ugly. We will still turn the ball over and suck in the RZ like we have every single year under Kelly.
Yes, Kelly will be the coach next year. Yes I'd love for him to win 10+ games, I'd also love to win the Powerball but both are extremely unlikely.
So you took other coaches to mean Kelly, I see. Again, you have no proof. You
Why don't you follow your own advice.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo.../jim-harbaugh-rams-rumor-michigan-jeff-fisher
Why don't you follow your own advice.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo.../jim-harbaugh-rams-rumor-michigan-jeff-fisher
Well strictly based on his results at ND he's more likely to win 10+ then win less then 8 like 2016. He's won 10+ twice, 8-9 3x, and 4 once. So if we're comparing it to the powerball, I think that is unfair, it's not billions to one, it's more like in a 2 in 6 chance for 10 wins.
