The state of the ND defensive line

[nd4life211]

Starters Traore, Botelho and Mills out. Cross hobbled with an ankle injury and Jason Onye, with high upside, is also out. For us to be in this spot with these losses is something to behold. Depth however is becoming a huge concern and one more injury might sink this ship.

ND hasn’t recruited the defensive line all that well, but we do have some potential. Rubio isn’t the pass rusher Mills is but is a formidable replacement. Cross and Hinish are agile but I worry about their stoutness versus the run.

I expect we continue to see a rotation at end between Burnham, Junior, Young and Oben. We are slightly undersized but experienced here and Young has potential for that game changing strip sack. This group is solid yet unspectacular. Oben has been invisible all year and I’m unsure if that is a good thing because he is playing within the system or he is just average.

Can someone please provide an update on Brennan Vernon? I thought he’d be a game wrecker by now but I’m starting to think he may be a bust based on pretty much zero buzz around him. Mukam and Sevillano are big bodies but are young and I doubt they are ready for Georgia. Mullins is still a kid and I’m not even sure we have anyone behind him?

Who are we predicting to back up Rubio? He will need rest and I worry about the drop off.

 

[Golson5]

Starters Traore, Botelho and Mills out. Cross hobbled with an ankle injury and Jason Onye, with high upside, is also out. For us to be in this spot with these losses is something to behold. Depth however is becoming a huge concern and one more injury might sink this ship.

ND hasn’t recruited the defensive line all that well, but we do have some potential. Rubio isn’t the pass rusher Mills is but is a formidable replacement. Cross and Hinish are agile but I worry about their stoutness versus the run.

I expect we continue to see a rotation at end between Burnham, Junior, Young and Oben. We are slightly undersized but experienced here and Young has potential for that game changing strip sack. This group is solid yet unspectacular. Oben has been invisible all year and I’m unsure if that is a good thing because he is playing within the system or he is just average.

Can someone please provide an update on Brennan Vernon? I thought he’d be a game wrecker by now but I’m starting to think he may be a bust based on pretty much zero buzz around him. Mukam and Sevillano are big bodies but are young and I doubt they are ready for Georgia. Mullins is still a kid and I’m not even sure we have anyone behind him?

Who are we predicting to back up Rubio? He will need rest and I worry about the drop off.

The narrative that we haven't recruited DL all that well is flawed and incorrect

 

[HDK]

Regardless of whether or not we have recruited well, the fact remains that we have lost a lot of good players on the defensive line. That leads me to believe we will find ourselves getting pushed around at the end of both halves next week.

 

[burmafrd1943]

We recruited very well. Unfortunately an entire D L had injuries
basically we lost our starters. Even ALABAMA and GEORGIA would see a significant downturn if that happened.
we are going to have to stack the box and sell out to stop the run. And hope GA's backup QB does not rise to the occasion.

 

[nd4life211]

The bottom that we haven't recruited DL all that well is flawed and incorrect

We haven’t… ND has done a solid job but has lacked getting elite talent. What they have done is develop talent. Cross, Traore and Hinish were three stars who have outperformed their recruiting ranking.

Mills, Rubio, Young and Botelho are four stars who have delivered as expected or exceeded expectations. Junior and Burnham weren’t even recruited as defensive linemen.

They have done a good, not great job. The only blue chips are Young, Rubio and Mills.

 

[ZibbyQuinn]

We haven’t… ND has done a solid job but has lacked getting elite talent. What they have done is develop talent. Cross, Traore and Hinish were three stars who have outperformed their recruiting ranking.

Mills, Rubio, Young and Botelho are four stars who have delivered as expected or exceeded expectations. Junior and Burnham weren’t even recruited as defensive linemen.

They have done a good, not great job. The only blue chips are Young, Rubio and Mills.

Agreed, it’s good but not at a championship/elite level, especially along the interior.

 

[sjb75]

We haven’t… ND has done a solid job but has lacked getting elite talent. What they have done is develop talent. Cross, Traore and Hinish were three stars who have outperformed their recruiting ranking.

Mills, Rubio, Young and Botelho are four stars who have delivered as expected or exceeded expectations. Junior and Burnham weren’t even recruited as defensive linemen.

They have done a good, not great job. The only blue chips are Young, Rubio and Mills.

Well stated.

 

[IrishMike409]

We haven’t… ND has done a solid job but has lacked getting elite talent. What they have done is develop talent. Cross, Traore and Hinish were three stars who have outperformed their recruiting ranking.

Mills, Rubio, Young and Botelho are four stars who have delivered as expected or exceeded expectations. Junior and Burnham weren’t even recruited as defensive linemen.

They have done a good, not great job. The only blue chips are Young, Rubio and Mills.

Good stuff, I agree w a lot of it.

But if evaluate a unit by how many guys have delivered as starters/impact contributors, not by how many were 4* or 5* or 3*

 

[Golson5]

We haven’t… ND has done a solid job but has lacked getting elite talent. What they have done is develop talent. Cross, Traore and Hinish were three stars who have outperformed their recruiting ranking.

Mills, Rubio, Young and Botelho are four stars who have delivered as expected or exceeded expectations. Junior and Burnham weren’t even recruited as defensive linemen.

They have done a good, not great job. The only blue chips are Young, Rubio and Mills.

That's incorrect. You said we haven't recruited it well. You didn't say we haven't recruited it an elite level

I agree if you are changing it to elite. If you say we have recruited it well that's just wrong

Traore was a composite 4 star top 250 player not a 3 star. Cross was a composite 4 star player. You are giving out bad information

Young Mills Cross Rubio Traore Botelho Thomas Vernon Houstan Burnham Junior were all composite 4 stars out of high school

How many teams have 11 4 stars on their DL throughout the country. Not too many. Some hit some didn't. Some 3 stars are better than others.

But this notion we don't recruit well across the DL is just wrong

 

[sjb75]

That's incorrect. You said we haven't recruited it well. You didn't say we haven't recruited it an elite level

I agree if you are changing it to elite. If you say we have recruited it well that's just wrong

You love to twist what posters actually say to fit your own argument.

 

[Golson5]

Well stated.

Besides it being inaccurate

 

[Golson5]

You love to twist what posters actually say to fit your own argument.

Read his post. Main one top of page

His exact quote

ND hasn't recruited the defensive line all that well

Egg on your face. Know what you are saying before running your mouth

 

[sjb75]

Besides it being inaccurate

You twist posters words. You do this often.

 

[Golson5]

Chase is wrong here again

The narrative that we don't recruit well across the DL is inaccurate

 

[Golson5]

Starters Traore, Botelho and Mills out. Cross hobbled with an ankle injury and Jason Onye, with high upside, is also out. For us to be in this spot with these losses is something to behold. Depth however is becoming a huge concern and one more injury might sink this ship.

ND hasn’t recruited the defensive line all that well, but we do have some potential. Rubio isn’t the pass rusher Mills is but is a formidable replacement. Cross and Hinish are agile but I worry about their stoutness versus the run.

I expect we continue to see a rotation at end between Burnham, Junior, Young and Oben. We are slightly undersized but experienced here and Young has potential for that game changing strip sack. This group is solid yet unspectacular. Oben has been invisible all year and I’m unsure if that is a good thing because he is playing within the system or he is just average.

Can someone please provide an update on Brennan Vernon? I thought he’d be a game wrecker by now but I’m starting to think he may be a bust based on pretty much zero buzz around him. Mukam and Sevillano are big bodies but are young and I doubt they are ready for Georgia. Mullins is still a kid and I’m not even sure we have anyone behind him?

Who are we predicting to back up Rubio? He will need rest and I worry about the drop off.

If you can't read then you would say I twisted his words.

Try reading again without being a douche

 

[sjb75]

Starters Traore, Botelho and Mills out. Cross hobbled with an ankle injury and Jason Onye, with high upside, is also out. For us to be in this spot with these losses is something to behold. Depth however is becoming a huge concern and one more injury might sink this ship.

ND hasn’t recruited the defensive line all that well, but we do have some potential. Rubio isn’t the pass rusher Mills is but is a formidable replacement. Cross and Hinish are agile but I worry about their stoutness versus the run.

I expect we continue to see a rotation at end between Burnham, Junior, Young and Oben. We are slightly undersized but experienced here and Young has potential for that game changing strip sack. This group is solid yet unspectacular. Oben has been invisible all year and I’m unsure if that is a good thing because he is playing within the system or he is just average.

Can someone please provide an update on Brennan Vernon? I thought he’d be a game wrecker by now but I’m starting to think he may be a bust based on pretty much zero buzz around him. Mukam and Sevillano are big bodies but are young and I doubt they are ready for Georgia. Mullins is still a kid and I’m not even sure we have anyone behind him?

Who are we predicting to back up Rubio? He will need rest and I worry about the drop off.

I have zero problem with anything written here.

Notre Dame, especially relative to the OL, doesn’t recruit the DL all that well.

Does Notre Dame do a lousy job recruiting the DL? No. It’s satisfactory to good. That’s it.

That said, ND does a damn good job developing the DL talent they do get.

 

[Golson5]

I have zero problem with anything written here.

Notre Dame, especially relative to the OL, doesn’t recruit the DL all that well.

Does Notre Dame do a lousy job recruiting the DL? No. It’s satisfactory to good. That’s it.

That said, ND does a damn good job developing the DL talent they do get.

They recruit the DL at a top 12 level. One of the better in the country

Your comment is inaccurate

 

[nd4life211]

That's incorrect. You said we haven't recruited it well. You didn't say we haven't recruited it an elite level

I agree if you are changing it to elite. If you say we have recruited it well that's just wrong

Traore was a composite 4 star top 250 player not a 3 star. Cross was a composite 4 star player. You are giving out bad information

Young Mills Cross Rubio Traore Botelho Thomas Vernon Houstan Burnham Junior were all composite 4 stars out of high school

How many teams have 11 4 stars on their DL throughout the country. Not too many. Some hit some didn't. Some 3 stars are better than others.

But this notion we don't recruit well across the DL is just wrong

Dude, are you hear to have a discussion (it is a discussion board) or are you here to argue about arbitrary things? We are not comparing ND to Pitt… the goal is to win a title, so in comparison to the Georgias and Ohio States of the world, it’s definitely not all that well.

UGA and OSU both have 8 top 100 d linemen. ND has 2, 3 if you include Burnham (one is out for the year). OSU and UGA both have multiple 5 stars (3-4 each, maybe more… we have zero). There has always been a gap between ND and the elite of the elite when it comes to D line recruiting. This isn’t worth arguing over brother.

 

[Patrish]

Starters Traore, Botelho and Mills out. Cross hobbled with an ankle injury and Jason Onye, with high upside, is also out. For us to be in this spot with these losses is something to behold. Depth however is becoming a huge concern and one more injury might sink this ship.

ND hasn’t recruited the defensive line all that well, but we do have some potential. Rubio isn’t the pass rusher Mills is but is a formidable replacement. Cross and Hinish are agile but I worry about their stoutness versus the run.

I expect we continue to see a rotation at end between Burnham, Junior, Young and Oben. We are slightly undersized but experienced here and Young has potential for that game changing strip sack. This group is solid yet unspectacular. Oben has been invisible all year and I’m unsure if that is a good thing because he is playing within the system or he is just average.

Can someone please provide an update on Brennan Vernon? I thought he’d be a game wrecker by now but I’m starting to think he may be a bust based on pretty much zero buzz around him. Mukam and Sevillano are big bodies but are young and I doubt they are ready for Georgia. Mullins is still a kid and I’m not even sure we have anyone behind him?

Who are we predicting to back up Rubio? He will need rest and I worry about the drop off.

It’s a serious concern

Without those injuries, the defense would be a formidable force against any team

 

[NIN Irish]

The OP should be concerned about their state of mind. You don't need a dozen accounts. Stick to one, and seek help!

 

[nd4life211]

The OP should be concerned about their state of mind. You don't need a dozen accounts. Stick to one, and seek help!

I rarely post here…

 

[NIN Irish]

I rarely post here…

You mean with this account you rarely post here. Give it up.

 

[nd4life211]

You mean with this account you rarely post here. Give it up.

Colour me confused. Take a look at my post history if you think I am manufacturing conversations with myself. I’m sure there are people who have time for that, but I’m not one of them.

 

[NIN Irish]

Colour me confused. Take a look at my post history if you think I am manufacturing conversations with myself. I’m sure there are people who have time for that, but I’m not one of them.

Ugh. I'll just look at the content of your posts and the relentless themes.

 

[ZibbyQuinn]

Looking at the interior and guys currently on the roster, here is the composite rankings for 6 years of recruiting. How would this be evaluated at say WR? Very good?

Mills 159

Cross 322

Rubio 153

Onye 629

Hinish 502

Mukan 193

Houstan 234

Vernan 203

Mullins 680

Sevilano 528

 

[sjb75]

Looking at the interior and guys currently on the roster, here is the composite rankings. How would this be evaluated at say WR? Very good?

Mills 159

Cross 322

Rubio 153

Onye 629

Hinish 502

Mukan 193

Houstan 234

Vernan 203

Mullins 680

Sevilano 528

Golson will say the rankings are wrong.

 

[Golson5]

Dude, are you hear to have a discussion (it is a discussion board) or are you here to argue about arbitrary things? We are not comparing ND to Pitt… the goal is to win a title, so in comparison to the Georgias and Ohio States of the world, it’s definitely not all that well.

UGA and OSU both have 8 top 100 d linemen. ND has 2, 3 if you include Burnham (one is out for the year). OSU and UGA both have multiple 5 stars (3-4 each, maybe more… we have zero). There has always been a gap between ND and the elite of the elite when it comes to D line recruiting. This isn’t worth arguing over brother.

We have 11 4star DL. We aren't recruiting the DL not that well

That's a false inaccurate narrative.

We are recruiting the DL very well just not at the elite level.

If that's what you said originally I would agree with you brother. Just calling out the false narrative that some like to say we don't recruit DL well. Because it is inaccurate

 

[Golson5]

Looking at the interior and guys currently on the roster, here is the composite rankings for 6 years of recruiting. How would this be evaluated at say WR? Very good?

Mills 159

Cross 322

Rubio 153

Onye 629

Hinish 502

Mukan 193

Houstan 234

Vernan 203

Mullins 680

Sevilano 528

So 6 four star and 4 three star with our lowest ranked recruiting being 680.

Now after you do the edge guys you'll have 6 more four stars and 1 three star

So 12 four stars and 5 three stars.

Is that your calculations as well? So yes I would put that top 12 in the country and I would call top 12 recruiting very good

 

[Golson5]

Golson will say the rankings are wrong.

No I'll say they are accurate. We have 6 four star players on our interior DL.

and that's one of the reasons our defense has been so good this year.

We have a lot of really good players and a really good coach.

You dont have a top 5 defense in the country without really good players and this is showing you we have really good players by the recruiting rankings

 

[sjb75]

No I'll say they are accurate. We have 6 four star players on our interior DL.

and that's one of the reasons our defense has been so good this year.

We have a lot of really good players and a really good coach.

You dont have a top 5 defense in the country without really good players and this is showing you we have really good players by the recruiting rankings

The schedule helps offense/defense rankings of numerous teams as well.

Who you play throughout the season over the course of 12 games assists in rankings, either positively or negatively. Who you play matters a lot.

Indiana’s team offense and team defense are ranked high as well. To that I say so what.

 

[nd4life211]

We have 11 4star DL. We aren't recruiting the DL not that well

That's a false inaccurate narrative.

We are recruiting the DL very well just not at the elite level.

If that's what you said originally I would agree with you brother. Just calling out the false narrative that some like to say we don't recruit DL well. Because it is inaccurate

That’s arbitrary. In terms of the entire country, we are recruiting the d line very well. In terms of the top 15 teams, which I’m comparing us to, we’re near the bottom.

The facts are we don’t have one 5 star recruit. The top teams all have multiple. When is the last time ND had a first round pick on the defensive line?

You’re also failing to see how big of a difference even high end 4 star recruits (top 100) are compared to mid to lower tier 4 star prospects. This is why we have struggled to generate a pass rush in every CFP or NC game. Show me a team that won a national title without a 5 star defensive lineman.