The QB situation

[88ND]

I did not get a chance to see any of the spring game so to those that did....

Was Wimbush really that far above and beyond Book or anyone else for that matter?
I'm not asking this with any angle but I really would like to know.

Saturday night against Georgia I would have played Book on a few series when it was evident Wimbush was not moving the offense. It doesn't matter why. Fact remained the offense was stuck in mud.

The one lone play Book was in the coaches felt confident enough on a third and long to call a five wide pass play. Book didn't throw it but that play was not a dedicated QB run. He was definitely looking to throw down field. So the staff had confidence in him to call a third and long pass... I just want to understand why they didn't want to change it up a bit. A change of pace. Something.

Instead of asking if Wimbush was that amazing in the spring game and camp perhaps the question I ask is was Book that bad?

I get it was Wimbush first big game but so was the case for the Georgia QB.

BK needs to do anything and everything possible to win at least one big game!

 

[Pennick44]

I thought Montgomery Vangorder should have gotten a few snaps.

 

[stu4don]

I was thinking the same thing about Book last week but not this week.

BC has let the two QBs they played thus far run wild -- NIU’s Ryan Graham and Wake’s John Wolford each ran for more than 90 yards. And Wimbush is a better runner than both of them.

I really hope the coin drops for BW this week.

 

[ndfi65]

Book threw the ball better in the Spring game.

 

[stu4don]

Solid with a quick release for those short throws, indeed.

 

[twalsh]

I did not get a chance to see any of the spring game so to those that did....

Was Wimbush really that far above and beyond Book or anyone else for that matter?
I'm not asking this with any angle but I really would like to know.

Saturday night against Georgia I would have played Book on a few series when it was evident Wimbush was not moving the offense. It doesn't matter why. Fact remained the offense was stuck in mud.

The one lone play Book was in the coaches felt confident enough on a third and long to call a five wide pass play. Book didn't throw it but that play was not a dedicated QB run. He was definitely looking to throw down field. So the staff had confidence in him to call a third and long pass... I just want to understand why they didn't want to change it up a bit. A change of pace. Something.

Instead of asking if Wimbush was that amazing in the spring game and camp perhaps the question I ask is was Book that bad?

I get it was Wimbush first big game but so was the case for the Georgia QB.

BK needs to do anything and everything possible to win at least one big game!

I was kind of shocked that Long stayed in a pass only formation on the play Book came in. He obviously has confidence in him.

 

[Toby Smart]

BW was greatly hindered by his OL, drops, and a non existent running game. Put the rookie Georgia QB in that situation and see what happens. BW is far from perfect but it is way too early to pull the plug.

 

[hoopsstar12]

As long as Wimbush is healthy Book will never see the field. Why? Because every game is close.

 

[irish4life888]

All I can say is I'm glad you guys aren't making game time decisions. Taking out Wimbush and putting in a pure frosh QB against Georgia's front 7. YIKES!! It would have been a lot worse. It was Wimbush's second game with arguably one, if not, the best DL's in the country. That would have hurt Wimbush's confidence and done nothing to help win the game. I don't suppose any of you remember Brady Quinn coming in against Purdue for his debut. Same thing the armchair coaches were screaming to pull his scholarship. I'm not worried about Wimbush, he has a very high ceiling.

 

[hoopsstar12]

You are too ridiculous. Georgia will lose at least 3 games this year. Our offensive coaches suck. Its the same thing every year where we make opposing defenses seem super human. Book can play against a Georgia defense just the same as Wimbush. Everyone agrees Wimbush is the guy. Please stop proclaiming the Georgia defense super human. If Georgia only beat a Brian Kelly led team by 1 point then they arent that great.

 

[HDK]

You are too ridiculous. Georgia will lose at least 3 games this year. Our offensive coaches suck. Its the same thing every year where we make opposing defenses seem super human. Book can play against a Georgia defense just the same as Wimbush. Everyone agrees Wimbush is the guy. Please stop proclaiming the Georgia defense super human. If Georgia only beat a Brian Kelly led team by 1 point then they arent that great.

Georgia may lose three games this year, but it won't be because of their defense. They were fast, strong, and exceptionally well coached. Their only drawback was they committed too many penalties. Definitely one of the best defenses in the country.

 

[TOMMY_23]

I thought Montgomery Vangorder should have gotten a few snaps.

I think you've been skipping out on your meds.

 

[88ND]

All I can say is I'm glad you guys aren't making game time decisions. Taking out Wimbush and putting in a pure frosh QB against Georgia's front 7. YIKES!! It would have been a lot worse. It was Wimbush's second game with arguably one, if not, the best DL's in the country. That would have hurt Wimbush's confidence and done nothing to help win the game. I don't suppose any of you remember Brady Quinn coming in against Purdue for his debut. Same thing the armchair coaches were screaming to pull his scholarship. I'm not worried about Wimbush, he has a very high ceiling.

Way too much matter of fact based on no fact.
At this point we can only speculate how good the Georgia D is or isn't. Pretty silly to be anointing them some kind of all world D.

The only fact we know was the QB play from Saturday was very pedestrian. We can argue the why all week long but to declare it due to this incredible ball busting defense of Georgia's when it was their second game is pretty ridiculous.

Look all I wanted to know was how Book looked in the spring. I don't care about ceiling nor 40 time.

I care about results. The here and the now. I'm not even interested in handling these babies with kid gloves of loyalty bevayse they sure the hell aren't loyal back to us by jumping ship if they can cash in.

Now I don't blame them for bailing as the money is too great however don't expect me to be loyal and kiss their fragile ass if something might hurt their feelings. They leave in a heart beat for the money....we need wins against good teams.

 

[irish4life888]

You are too ridiculous. Georgia will lose at least 3 games this year. Our offensive coaches suck. Its the same thing every year where we make opposing defenses seem super human. Book can play against a Georgia defense just the same as Wimbush. Everyone agrees Wimbush is the guy. Please stop proclaiming the Georgia defense super human. If Georgia only beat a Brian Kelly led team by 1 point then they arent that great.

Where did I say Georgia was going to be undefeated, or they were "superhuman"? That's not even the topic here. One they are a great DEFENSIVE LINE (note not defense as a whole), second our OL was disappointing (wouldn't change no matter what QB you put back there) and yes Wimbush is young and didn't read some defenses as well but he was still the most experienced. For those saying that we should have put in a different QB is just plain dumb. Sorry, that's the truth.

 

[hoopsstar12]

Wimbush was actually rated higher than Lamar Jackson out of high school. The difference in results is coaching. The reason for 90 percent of arguments and debates on this board stems from poor coaching decisions. It would also help Wimbush if the O line worked on picking up their assignments.

 

[twalsh]

You are too ridiculous. Georgia will lose at least 3 games this year. Our offensive coaches suck. Its the same thing every year where we make opposing defenses seem super human. Book can play against a Georgia defense just the same as Wimbush. Everyone agrees Wimbush is the guy. Please stop proclaiming the Georgia defense super human. If Georgia only beat a Brian Kelly led team by 1 point then they arent that great.

Funny, because the consensus at Georgia is that this is their best front seven in recent memory, and maybe their best overall defense in many years. Ten returning starters, 3 or 4 five star recruits, and a bunch of guys who will play on Sunday.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

There is no QB situation. Wimbush is the QB. Done

 

[NyyorkerND]

I did not get a chance to see any of the spring game so to those that did....

Was Wimbush really that far above and beyond Book or anyone else for that matter?
I'm not asking this with any angle but I really would like to know.

Saturday night against Georgia I would have played Book on a few series when it was evident Wimbush was not moving the offense. It doesn't matter why. Fact remained the offense was stuck in mud.

The one lone play Book was in the coaches felt confident enough on a third and long to call a five wide pass play. Book didn't throw it but that play was not a dedicated QB run. He was definitely looking to throw down field. So the staff had confidence in him to call a third and long pass... I just want to understand why they didn't want to change it up a bit. A change of pace. Something.

Instead of asking if Wimbush was that amazing in the spring game and camp perhaps the question I ask is was Book that bad?

I get it was Wimbush first big game but so was the case for the Georgia QB.

BK needs to do anything and everything possible to win at least one big game!

The back up quarterback is always the most popular sub in sports. Generally he's the back up for a reason. If BW is starting he's better simple as that. None of this qb merry go round. You know what, how about running plays that make him effective. If you can't do that then play Book the rest of the way. Give BW time and hopefully he'll get better.

 

[hoopsstar12]

This is my last post on this topic then i'm done. If the game were played in a vacuum i would agree that Georgia has a great defense. But unblocked defenders are not the norm for most offensive lines. Kellys teams over the years start out with nice drives. Then mid game its always throw on 1st incomplete. Screen pass on 2nd loss or no gain. Then desperation heave on 3rd. Between that, refusal to play Dexter and not throwing past the sticks on two 3rd down plays I would say the woeful offense was the real issue last Saturday. Great defenses will make their plays but so will great offenses. Remember that!

 

[justified1]

Approaching only the third game of the season there is no QB situation. Wimbush is the best option at QB by a wide margin.

 

[Pennick44]

This is my last post on this topic then i'm done. If the game were played in a vacuum i would agree that Georgia has a great defense. But unblocked defenders are not the norm for most offensive lines. Kellys teams over the years start out with nice drives. Then mid game its always throw on 1st incomplete. Screen pass on 2nd loss or no gain. Then desperation heave on 3rd. Between that, refusal to play Dexter and not throwing past the sticks on two 3rd down plays I would say the woeful offense was the real issue last Saturday. Great defenses will make their plays but so will great offenses. Remember that!

Thanks for not posting again!

 

[Kelso86]

Approaching only the third game of the season there is no QB situation. Wimbush is the best option at QB by a wide margin.

This QB is on his 3RD GAME!!! He WILL have ups and downs this year -- but hopefully, as the year progresses, there are more ups than downs -- this is to be expected.

 

[HDK]

This is my last post on this topic then i'm done. If the game were played in a vacuum i would agree that Georgia has a great defense. But unblocked defenders are not the norm for most offensive lines. Kellys teams over the years start out with nice drives. Then mid game its always throw on 1st incomplete. Screen pass on 2nd loss or no gain. Then desperation heave on 3rd. Between that, refusal to play Dexter and not throwing past the sticks on two 3rd down plays I would say the woeful offense was the real issue last Saturday. Great defenses will make their plays but so will great offenses. Remember that!

I reallly think you missed just how fast Georgia's defense was. They were always in position to disrupt the play. Some of that was certainly due to the slow developing offense we seem to run, but a lot was due to athletic ability and excellent coaching.

 

[rgc7]

I reallly think you missed just how fast Georgia's defense was. They were always in position to disrupt the play. Some of that was certainly due to the slow developing offense we seem to run, but a lot was due to athletic ability and excellent coaching.

I also think that Ga may have scouted the Temple game or studied the film very carefully ! They seemed to
Be anticipating very well what plays that we were going to call, and we made no adjustments to compensate
That I could see. It seemed to me like we just kept repeating failing play after failing play ?

 

[NyyorkerND]

I also think that Ga may have scouted the Temple game or studied the film very carefully ! They seemed to
Be anticipating very well what plays that we were going to call, and we made no adjustments to compensate
That I could see. It seemed to me like we just kept repeating failing play after failing play ?

Yes and no Rgc perfect example is everyone knows Navy and Georgia Tech are primarily going to run one of three ways left, right, or up the middle can teams stop it consistently no becuase it's about execution. Same with Bama or any other power running team they always pound the football can teams consistently stop it no because they excute the play effectively. This past week our running game did not.

 

[NDIRISH53]

Wimbush has yet to impress me.... including
Spring game
"New and Gold" game
Temple
Georgia

Not very good foot work. Horrible at setting pass protections. He flat out has not been sharp at all. Hope he improves

 

[Telx1]

Wimbush' biggest problem is lack of experience and a porous offensive line. Playing Book at his expense makes zero sense.

 

[Buguit]

I think Wimbush is getting a raw deal right now .... he might not be THE guy but IMO the Georgia game isn't the barometer .... I think any QB would've looked like garbage with no time to throw .... that game was a QB's nightmare with guys coming in untouched all game ..... I actually think he battled with zero time to throw ... at least I didn't see any "deer in the headlights" look on him ... AND .... he didn't complain after the game even though he just spent most of it on his back

Book in the Blue Gold game looked decent ... but more of a dink and dunk guy while wearing a red jersey without fear of blitzes .... for what it's worth I saw Wimbush make one play in the spring game running out of the pocket make a throw across his body about 20 yds downfield on a rope right on the money .... just one throw .... but clearly Wimbush has the tools and his dual threat ability is way beyond Book

If Wimbush has time to throw and plays bad .... let's renew this conversation

 

[Telx1]

I agree that Wimbush has been disappointing the first two games. That said, we've seen some really nice throws when Wimbush is given the time to Step into his throws. I think Wimbush' major problem right now is lack of trust in his receivers and himself. He's waiting for his receivers to make their cuts and be open before passing the ball. As a result, he is rushing through his progressions and leaving his first and second options too soon because they're not yet open, etc... watched the game several times and slowed down plays to concentrate on certain areas, and it was amazing how often he had open receivers, but he had already rushed to his next option before their route break, etc... Like we read about all players without experience, at some point the light goes on and the game slows down. This needs to happen with Wimbush very soon. I read an interesting and disturbing stat where ND has 13 drops (catchable passes) in the first two games, and we had 24 all last season. Hard to trust your receivers with that kind of production, which feeds into my point that Wimbush doesn't trust himself or his receivers to let it fly before the receiver has made his move. 13 drops by wide open receivers can certainly contribute to a this.

 

[Telx1]

I also think that Ga may have scouted the Temple game or studied the film very carefully ! They seemed to
Be anticipating very well what plays that we were going to call, and we made no adjustments to compensate
That I could see. It seemed to me like we just kept repeating failing play after failing play ?

Afternoon RGC7. Been out a few days due to that back matter we talked about. All is well, and again, thank you. As for Georgia, they played the run and challenged ND to pass. Temple did as well. The difference is Georgia has a superior front 7 that was capable of putting pressure on the QB even while stacking the box. Our best play of the night was a screen pass to Adams, and we looked terrible on all other screen plays, as we did against Temple. We did make adjustments, but they didn't work, mostly because Wimbush was under too much pressure and he simply did not throw the ball quick enough. We played five wideouts at times in the second half to force their Line Backers and corners to get out of the box, but our OL was unable to beat theirs. One adjustment we didn't make that still surprises me is our failure to call quick hitting running plays between the tackles. Our OL actually made really good initial contact with theirs, but they couldn't sustain the blocks over the scheme designed for slow developing plays. Georgia's front seven were too quick and reacted incredibly fast to our slow developing plays. A head scratcher and hope Long learned a valuable lesson.

 

[rgc7]

Yes and no Rgc perfect example is everyone knows Navy and Georgia Tech are primarily going to run one of three ways left, right, or up the middle can teams stop it consistently no becuase it's about execution. Same with Bama or any other power running team they always pound the football can teams consistently stop it no because they excute the play effectively. This past week our running game did not.

NYC,
You are certainly correct about execution ! No arguement there !

 

[rgc7]

Afternoon RGC7. Been out a few days due to that back matter we talked about. All is well, and again, thank you. As for Georgia, they played the run and challenged ND to pass. Temple did as well. The difference is Georgia has a superior front 7 that was capable of putting pressure on the QB even while stacking the box. Our best play of the night was a screen pass to Adams, and we looked terrible on all other screen plays, as we did against Temple. We did make adjustments, but they didn't work, mostly because Wimbush was under too much pressure and he simply did not throw the ball quick enough. We played five wideouts at times in the second half to force their Line Backers and corners to get out of the box, but our OL was unable to beat theirs. One adjustment we didn't make that still surprises me is our failure to call quick hitting running plays between the tackles. Our OL actually made really good initial contact with theirs, but they couldn't sustain the blocks over the scheme designed for slow developing plays. Georgia's front seven were too quick and reacted incredibly fast to our slow developing plays. A head scratcher and hope Long learned a valuable lesson.

Telx,
Hope that the surgery was successful, and that you are recovering well ?
Good post and your observations were spot on, and better than mine. I have to go back to review the tape,
But It is just too painful to do !
Hopefully, we will all see a better game and a better outcome against BC ?
Heal Well !

 

[88ND]

I also think that Ga may have scouted the Temple game or studied the film very carefully ! They seemed to
Be anticipating very well what plays that we were going to call, and we made no adjustments to compensate
That I could see. It seemed to me like we just kept repeating failing play after failing play ?

Which has been BK over the years..square peg round hole. Sometimes we're able to out athlete the opposition but when their talent is equal it's beating head against the wall over and over and over and over again.

Same plays. QB reed, 13 different play calls of a tail back run but they all go east and west and then turn up 6, 8 or 5,7 hole for no gain because the defense is way to fast for the riduculous lateral running that gets repeated.

If it's not the above...and when we have a QB who can throw then we just have him drop back to pass 38 times in a hurricane.

No that is not an exaggeration.

BK sucks and his dance has been danced.

Next please.

 

[88ND]

I agree that Wimbush has been disappointing the first two games. That said, we've seen some really nice throws when Wimbush is given the time to Step into his throws. I think Wimbush' major problem right now is lack of trust in his receivers and himself. He's waiting for his receivers to make their cuts and be open before passing the ball. As a result, he is rushing through his progressions and leaving his first and second options too soon because they're not yet open, etc... watched the game several times and slowed down plays to concentrate on certain areas, and it was amazing how often he had open receivers, but he had already rushed to his next option before their route break, etc... Like we read about all players without experience, at some point the light goes on and the game slows down. This needs to happen with Wimbush very soon. I read an interesting and disturbing stat where ND has 13 drops (catchable passes) in the first two games, and we had 24 all last season. Hard to trust your receivers with that kind of production, which feeds into my point that Wimbush doesn't trust himself or his receivers to let it fly before the receiver has made his move. 13 drops by wide open receivers can certainly contribute to a this.

Anyone..of course exaggeration to dome degree but if you allow any QB time he looks superhuman. It's what they do. Throw hundreds of reps in practice.

I want...no no...we NEED the QB who can improvise and adapt when things break down. I'm not talking about something as extreme as a Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, Vince Young...

But just can step into some throws... Find an open guy when things break down.

The greatest o lines in the world get beat at times. We need a QB to make them pay. Extend the play until someone breaks free.

Sure the above is easier said than done but it doesn't even require the above names to achieve such.

I know I will get blasted for this but I'm sensing Wimbush is afraid of defenseless contact. I think he is also terrified of failing.

Before you start firing back please understand that a player can run hard and put his pads down low and try and run over the defender and it's another thing entirely to stand there after releasing a pass you just stepped into making a frozen rope strike ahd taking a hit.

See if you're thinking about the hit about to come then it makes you hesitate and or throw too soon or off the back foot.

If you're not thinking about the hit and only thinking about delivering the perfect strike to the reciever then you step into your throws and it's more accurate. Doing this exposes you to some defenseless shots in the ribs, shoulders, etc. Head even.

Nobody looks forward to getting hit like that but it's part of the job. If you are willing to play it right and pay the price you can be very successful. He can be even moreso because he's very physically talented.

We shall see

 

[Telx1]

Anyone..of course exaggeration to dome degree but if you allow any QB time he looks superhuman. It's what they do. Throw hundreds of reps in practice.

I want...no no...we NEED the QB who can improvise and adapt when things break down. I'm not talking about something as extreme as a Ben Roethlisberger, Cam Newton, Vince Young...

But just can step into some throws... Find an open guy when things break down.

The greatest o lines in the world get beat at times. We need a QB to make them pay. Extend the play until someone breaks free.

Sure the above is easier said than done but it doesn't even require the above names to achieve such.

I know I will get blasted for this but I'm sensing Wimbush is afraid of defenseless contact. I think he is also terrified of failing.

Before you start firing back please understand that a player can run hard and put his pads down low and try and run over the defender and it's another thing entirely to stand there after releasing a pass you just stepped into making a frozen rope strike ahd taking a hit.

See if you're thinking about the hit about to come then it makes you hesitate and or throw too soon or off the back foot.

If you're not thinking about the hit and only thinking about delivering the perfect strike to the reciever then you step into your throws and it's more accurate. Doing this exposes you to some defenseless shots in the ribs, shoulders, etc. Head even.

Nobody looks forward to getting hit like that but it's part of the job. If you are willing to play it right and pay the price you can be very successful. He can be even moreso because he's very physically talented.

We shall see

A former coach I respect is familiar with Wimbush, and he makes the case that Wimbush is playing too fast. In other words, he sees the defense well and mentally and quickly starts his progressions and goes through them at far too fast of pace, in part because he is mentally equipped to do this. It's kind of A different twist to what I wrote, but with the same result, and that is giving up on his first and second options because they aren't open, which they're not expected to be since they haven't committed to their break in the route. Either way, the game and Wimbush need to slow down and he needs to trust his receivers to make their breaks at the correct time and place, and he needs to trust his accuracy in throwing to air.

Your point about broken plays is legitimate, but I disagree with your conclusion. Yes, we need a QB that is comfortable making plays when things break down. We saw against Temple, that Wimbush is comfortable doing so with his legs, but we haven't seen him do it consistently with his arm. I would argue that every QB that excels with this always has one or two go to receivers that they trust in this circumstance. I don't know that Wimbush has any at this point in his young career. St Brown is our star receiver with NFL stamped on his forehead, and yet he hasn't stepped up and dominated. We needed him to do so against Georgia, and instead he had two big drops. You would think that between St. Brown and Mack and Claypool and Boykin and Young that two would emerge, and frankly not one has yet. We're waiting, and perhaps when Steperson returns from suspension that he will be that guy. I'm hoping someone emerges tomorrow, and that someone should be St Brown, with another leaping to join him.

In sum, I don't think Wimbush is a deer frozen in headlights, nor do I think he is afraifd to get hit. I do think Long and Kelly have been drilling him to avoid big hits and to slide or get out of bounds, etc... and this is affecting his running decisions. We need to see great improvement in our quarterback play, but it requires receivers to run correct routes with precision, and receivers who fight for the reception, an OL that protects their QB at all costs, and Wimbush to slow down and trust his receivers and himself and the process. I expect we'll see the beginning of this tomorrow.

 

[88ND]

A former coach I respect is familiar with Wimbush, and he makes the case that Wimbush is playing too fast. In other words, he sees the defense well and mentally and quickly starts his progressions and goes through them at far too fast of pace, in part because he is mentally equipped to do this. It's kind of A different twist to what I wrote, but with the same result, and that is giving up on his first and second options because they aren't open, which they're not expected to be since they haven't committed to their break in the route. Either way, the game and Wimbush need to slow down and he needs to trust his receivers to make their breaks at the correct time and place, and he needs to trust his accuracy in throwing to air.

Your point about broken plays is legitimate, but I disagree with your conclusion. Yes, we need a QB that is comfortable making plays when things break down. We saw against Temple, that Wimbush is comfortable doing so with his legs, but we haven't seen him do it consistently with his arm. I would argue that every QB that excels with this always has one or two go to receivers that they trust in this circumstance. I don't know that Wimbush has any at this point in his young career. St Brown is our star receiver with NFL stamped on his forehead, and yet he hasn't stepped up and dominated. We needed him to do so against Georgia, and instead he had two big drops. You would think that between St. Brown and Mack and Claypool and Boykin and Young that two would emerge, and frankly not one has yet. We're waiting, and perhaps when Steperson returns from suspension that he will be that guy. I'm hoping someone emerges tomorrow, and that someone should be St Brown, with another leaping to join him.

In sum, I don't think Wimbush is a deer frozen in headlights, nor do I think he is afraifd to get hit. I do think Long and Kelly have been drilling him to avoid big hits and to slide or get out of bounds, etc... and this is affecting his running decisions. We need to see great improvement in our quarterback play, but it requires receivers to run correct routes with precision, and receivers who fight for the reception, an OL that protects their QB at all costs, and Wimbush to slow down and trust his receivers and himself and the process. I expect we'll see the beginning of this tomorrow.

Hold on a sec...if all those things happened then you could play QB. Maybe not today or tomorrow but maybe years ago...lol.

The point being is you kind of imply if we can get all those things to happen then Wimbush should do well. Well gee...if we get all those things you list I say again you could play QB. In other words we need nothing special from the QB spot if all those things listed happened. Anyone can throw with tons of time and good play from reviewers who are catching the ball.

Everyone has a different learning curve no matter the intelligence level. But he's been a backup for two years.

Is this another case of BK and staff giving 99% of the reps to the starters and Wimbush did nothing at practices? . ? You KNOW exactly what I say. Our backups come in no matter the position and most of them are nowhere prepared to play. That's embarrassing.

Speaking of Boston College week. Two years ago Max got thrown out and his replacement came in and made the wurst tackle attempt at the goaline I've ever seen from a Notre Dame player. BK looked in disbelief. I get so tired of that. Maybe if you'd turn over every stone tines ten with ALL the players everyone would be a bit more prepared. Everyone on that team is one play away from entering the game.

 

[Nocalirish]

Hold on a sec...if all those things happened then you could play QB. Maybe not today or tomorrow but maybe years ago...lol.

The point being is you kind of imply if we can get all those things to happen then Wimbush should do well. Well gee...if we get all those things you list I say again you could play QB. In other words we need nothing special from the QB spot if all those things listed happened. Anyone can throw with tons of time and good play from reviewers who are catching the ball.

Everyone has a different learning curve no matter the intelligence level. But he's been a backup for two years.

Is this another case of BK and staff giving 99% of the reps to the starters and Wimbush did nothing at practices? . ? You KNOW exactly what I say. Our backups come in no matter the position and most of them are nowhere prepared to play. That's embarrassing.

Speaking of Boston College week. Two years ago Max got thrown out and his replacement came in and made the wurst tackle attempt at the goaline I've ever seen from a Notre Dame player. BK looked in disbelief. I get so tired of that. Maybe if you'd turn over every stone tines ten with ALL the players everyone would be a bit more prepared. Everyone on that team is one play away from entering the game.

Wurst tackle? Did be try to sack a sausage? LOL

 

[echowaker]

I did not get a chance to see any of the spring game so to those that did....

Was Wimbush really that far above and beyond Book or anyone else for that matter?
I'm not asking this with any angle but I really would like to know.

Saturday night against Georgia I would have played Book on a few series when it was evident Wimbush was not moving the offense. It doesn't matter why. Fact remained the offense was stuck in mud.

The one lone play Book was in the coaches felt confident enough on a third and long to call a five wide pass play. Book didn't throw it but that play was not a dedicated QB run. He was definitely looking to throw down field. So the staff had confidence in him to call a third and long pass... I just want to understand why they didn't want to change it up a bit. A change of pace. Something.

Instead of asking if Wimbush was that amazing in the spring game and camp perhaps the question I ask is was Book that bad?

I get it was Wimbush first big game but so was the case for the Georgia QB.

BK needs to do anything and everything possible to win at least one big game!

Why use the spring game as a reference point ? It's the absolute worst format in which to evaluate players.

 

[Telx1]

Hold on a sec...if all those things happened then you could play QB. Maybe not today or tomorrow but maybe years ago...lol.

The point being is you kind of imply if we can get all those things to happen then Wimbush should do well. Well gee...if we get all those things you list I say again you could play QB. In other words we need nothing special from the QB spot if all those things listed happened. Anyone can throw with tons of time and good play from reviewers who are catching the ball.

Everyone has a different learning curve no matter the intelligence level. But he's been a backup for two years.

Is this another case of BK and staff giving 99% of the reps to the starters and Wimbush did nothing at practices? . ? You KNOW exactly what I say. Our backups come in no matter the position and most of them are nowhere prepared to play. That's embarrassing.

Speaking of Boston College week. Two years ago Max got thrown out and his replacement came in and made the wurst tackle attempt at the goaline I've ever seen from a Notre Dame player. BK looked in disbelief. I get so tired of that. Maybe if you'd turn over every stone tines ten with ALL the players everyone would be a bit more prepared. Everyone on that team is one play away from entering the game.

Made the mistake of thinking you wanted an honest discussion of Wimbush' ability to lead this Irish team with solid QB play and leadership. It's a team game and lots of moving parts for the passing game to click, and yes, they all need to improve; and yes, I believe Wimbush has the skills to be successful and I pointed out where he needs to improve along with others. If you think as you state that these improvements by the other players are so extraordinary as to make it where anybody could be a successful QB, then you and I have radically different views of what is involved playing QB at the college level, and probably high school as well. Not interested in discussing your view that this is yet another indictment against Kelly for not adequately developing the next man in, etc...

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Some of you are way, way over your skis on Wimbush. The kid has had 2 starts, count'em 2. Let the kid play and grow like every QB needs to do.