The Pick!!!
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Same exact play the Irish were flagged for that cost them vs Fla St. last season
Nope. A forum board is fantasy land. The place I go to say what I want, when I want.
Don't like it??? Don't read the post.
I thought this thread would have been about the Michigan HC caught on camera with his finger up his nose.
Plays not similar ... Clemson was two receivers crossing ... ND play had two receivers firing straight out into defenders and Robinson the dragging underneath into the space they cleared out.
ND still got screwed ... FSU players initiated contact and sold it to ref in back of end zone ... side ref did not call it. Our players were not coached to throw their arms up and so they did appear to be blocking.
The play was almost the same (2 receivers vs 3), however, the Alabama DB throws a Clemson receiver to the ground, forcing the other Bama DB to circle around, thus a good no call by the official.
"side ref did not call it."
Always wondered why this was never called out -- especially since that is his primary read (the side official on the LOS and the side judge who was in the corner of the end zone)! The Back Judge, in the middle of the field, was the one who called it.
Not even close. On the last score the rub receiver never made one bit of contact with the DB covering Renfrow, he just maneuvered the DB covering him into forming a wall that the other DB could not get around. Great execution, nothing illegal.
On the first play the rub receiver did what our guys didn't do at FSU in 2014, he turned and looked for the ball like a receiver. Our guys looked like blockers, they never turned and looked back for the ball. That's the rub, pun 100% intended.
Or Sarkisian's prospecting last week in the press box during the Peach Bowl.
The 2 worst calls over the last few years were the pick at FSU and the non targeting with Tori Hunter. If the calls would have gone in our favor things might be a little different now. I am glad to see Clemson win but they got 2 big calls last night that swayed the game and 1 was the pick in the end zone. I forget what the other one was but even the announcers agreed with Saban. Moral of the story is to always win big.
TWalsh, 100 % correct - the bama defender actually grabs the reciever and pulls him in - Like he was trying to "get the call". Kudos for the ref for not taking the bait - it was a no call and correct. WR ran it perfectly and let the defender make the contact first - Renfo then ran his route to perfection.
Our WR did not sell it and and made the contact first - I disagree that it should of been called since it is usually never called. But our version was actually an illegal plAy.
Wish our players were coached better - we'd have a lot more wins and maybe some big wins - oh well - averaging 8 wins a year is pretty good though.
I'll be fired up to play in the Potatoe bowl next year. It will be cool to see our blue jerseys on the blue Turf on the Boise st field.
Go back and re-watch the play -- the ND WR's do not sell it and and make the initial contact with the defender - that is a PICK play. Last night, the defender actually grabs the receiver and pulls him down.
However -- yes, the hit on Hunter SHOULD have been called, and may have changed the complexion of the game. Instead of settling for a FG, maybe ND scores a TD.....and who knows how the game would have gone after that.
If calls made the difference in a game like that, would the Nicktator say anything? He's too "big" for whine. The refs failed to call two blatant Targeting hits in the first quarter where two Bammers should have been ejected. On replay, those were not in doubt. The Offensive Interference call is so subjective. The two no calls last night were on perfectly executed Picks. The receivers were jammed or contact was made by the dbacks. Same with the infamous FSU play,,,, but Jimbo had done a better job of getting in weaker ref's heads. That negate of a great ND comeback td... changed the course of HCBK's and EG's careers.
The Corner STARTED the play with inside leverage. He had the position. A WR cannot just run through a defender, which is exactly what he did.
What you are seeing as the Corner grabbing is his response to being drive blocked. The WR went straight into him on purpose. It was a designed rub play that he totally bunked up. It just didn't get called.
Beach, did you read what Coach Swiney said ? First of all a WR can run where ever he wants too. And so can a DB. Second of all as noted by Coach Swiney - The Clemson WR did not initiate contact - the WR started to run his route and the DB from Bama grabbed and pulled the WR down - if anything as Coach Swiney correctly states a call should of been made against BAMA -
The No Call was correct.
Watch the replay - it's pretty clear cut.
Also, the WR made no attempt to drive block as you say - he simply ran his route and the DB grabbed him first.
“We knew Alabama would be in zero coverage inside the 5,” Clemson QB Deshaun Watson said after the game on ESPN.
So Clemson took advantage, running what offensive coaches will call a “rub route,” or what defensive coaches will term a “pick play.”
Watson called it a “pick.” Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney called it a “rub.” But pick plays are not necessarily offensive pass interference, even though those terms are often used interchangeably.
And Clemson ran the play to perfection.
The outside receiver on the play runs a quick slant, and the outside cornerback initiates contact and grabs him. This forces the inside cornerback to take a circuitous route to cover the inside receiver, who initially fakes inside, only to quickly cut outside. He is wide open. The throw is perfect. Clemson dethrones the Tide.
If the outside receiver had initiated contact, or had not made an attempt to run a route, offensive pass interference could have been called. Heck, if the defender had not initially grabbed the outside receiver, it probably gets called. The people in charge saw it this way, too, and confirmed as much the next day.
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/9/14221614/clemson-alabama-pick-play-pass-interference-rub
So Clemson took advantage, running what offensive coaches will call a “rub route,” or what defensive coaches will term a “pick play.”
Watson called it a “pick.” Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney called it a “rub.” But pick plays are not necessarily offensive pass interference, even though those terms are often used interchangeably.
And Clemson ran the play to perfection.
The outside receiver on the play runs a quick slant, and the outside cornerback initiates contact and grabs him. This forces the inside cornerback to take a circuitous route to cover the inside receiver, who initially fakes inside, only to quickly cut outside. He is wide open. The throw is perfect. Clemson dethrones the Tide.
If the outside receiver had initiated contact, or had not made an attempt to run a route, offensive pass interference could have been called. Heck, if the defender had not initially grabbed the outside receiver, it probably gets called. The people in charge saw it this way, too, and confirmed as much the next day.
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/9/14221614/clemson-alabama-pick-play-pass-interference-rub
it was a designed pick; it worked ! college / pro everyone is doing it. Do it well and you don't get called!
That us true. Doesn't mean it was legal. Any time Bma loses I am happy though.
Not legal..... bull chit... the db lays his hands on the offensive player. That contact is the end of this story. It is the dback who made the play legal. Watch it on replay. Ten seconds in, see the Bammer DB wrap his arms all the way around Clemson #3 and proceed to tackle him.
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Unfortunately that author doesn't understand what a WR can and cannot do in a route.
1) The WR does not have the "right of way" when a Defender is in his way. If someone is in the way of your route, you have to make an effort to avoid him. You can't just run through a Defender.
2) The WR drove block the Defender on that play. The Defender had both inside leverage and was directly in the way of the route. The moment the WR ran into him, it became a block.
3) The Defender didn't pull him down, the WR actually lost his balance and fell forward because he was driving so hard through the Defender. The WR got so far into the Defenders body on the block, the Defender had to grab onto him to avoid being pancaked. That's not pulling him down, that's getting off the illegal block.
It was an illegal pick, no doubt. The same way Foster had like 3 targeting plays that weren't called. Its just selective officiating, they didn't want to throw the flags. It happens.
1) The WR does not have the "right of way" when a Defender is in his way. If someone is in the way of your route, you have to make an effort to avoid him. You can't just run through a Defender.
2) The WR drove block the Defender on that play. The Defender had both inside leverage and was directly in the way of the route. The moment the WR ran into him, it became a block.
3) The Defender didn't pull him down, the WR actually lost his balance and fell forward because he was driving so hard through the Defender. The WR got so far into the Defenders body on the block, the Defender had to grab onto him to avoid being pancaked. That's not pulling him down, that's getting off the illegal block.
It was an illegal pick, no doubt. The same way Foster had like 3 targeting plays that weren't called. Its just selective officiating, they didn't want to throw the flags. It happens.
I know Marijuana is now legal in Calif - not sure what grade you smoke Beach, but every credible NCAA rules expert (i.e. Dave Cutiaia - ESPN Rules Expert and former NCAA top official) states the play was legal. Also, states like what most also see when watching the play in slow motion - the WR starts to run his route and the DB reaches out and grabs the WR around the shoulders and pulls him down.
The DB actually grabs the WR around the shoulders - the DB played into their hands and helped make the play successfull - what needed to happened is the DBs needed to call a switch and play may not of been completed for a TD.
If this play took place at the 50 in the middle of the second quarter no one would give it a thought/look.... in all levels of Football coaches run crossovers like that.... it's an act that works most of the time. Targeting like Bammer got away with is much worse.
If t had happened then it would hae been called. Here is where IMO you are confused, if a DB lines up with inside leverage and attempts to jam the WR on the line, the "rub" play is all but over. You simply can't run it without running through the DB and committing a penalty. Unless the WR has some amazing release move that gets him inside release, you can't execute the play legally. That's what happened. That's how you Defend that play, you take away the ability to run it altogether. That's what Bama did on that final TD. Clemson still ran it, the WR ran through the Corner, and no flag was called. Clemson gambled and it paid off. If you make what happen legal there is no way to defend that play.
But Beach, you avoided the bigger question. Do you smoke weed? Legally, of course.
Huh?But Beach, you avoided the bigger question. Do you smoke weed? Legally, of course.
A Notre Dame fan asks a USC fan if he smokes weed on a public message board. What is this world coming to?
beachcardinal.. opinions are like ,,,,, well you know most everyone has one.. but you are wrong and here is why >
As Scott, positioned furthest outside, began to break his route inside, he got tangled up with Alabama defensive back Marlon Humphrey. The key element here is that it’s unclear that Scott initiated that contact, as Humphrey put his arms around the receiver and appeared to pull him to the turf.
With Scott and Humphrey moving in the direction of Renfrow, who was breaking his route to the outside, Alabama defensive back Tony Brown was forced to go around that pair, leaving him hopelessly unable to catch up to a wide-open Renfrow. But Scott never made contact with Brown, and as Jay Harbaugh, a Michigan assistant coach and the son of Wolverines head coach Jim Harbaugh, noted on Twitter, Humphrey’s physical effort rendered the play a no-call for the refs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-it-was-a-legal-play/?utm_term=.275c2aea8c4b
Tay Scott #3 did not set a pick on Renfrow's defender,, Brown.... He made an inside move which is 100% legal. Humphrey, with his hands around the shoulder pads of Scott, created the legal Rub/"Pick"
As Scott, positioned furthest outside, began to break his route inside, he got tangled up with Alabama defensive back Marlon Humphrey. The key element here is that it’s unclear that Scott initiated that contact, as Humphrey put his arms around the receiver and appeared to pull him to the turf.
With Scott and Humphrey moving in the direction of Renfrow, who was breaking his route to the outside, Alabama defensive back Tony Brown was forced to go around that pair, leaving him hopelessly unable to catch up to a wide-open Renfrow. But Scott never made contact with Brown, and as Jay Harbaugh, a Michigan assistant coach and the son of Wolverines head coach Jim Harbaugh, noted on Twitter, Humphrey’s physical effort rendered the play a no-call for the refs.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...t-it-was-a-legal-play/?utm_term=.275c2aea8c4b
Tay Scott #3 did not set a pick on Renfrow's defender,, Brown.... He made an inside move which is 100% legal. Humphrey, with his hands around the shoulder pads of Scott, created the legal Rub/"Pick"
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