The Kelly ride needs to end now

[Zorich 88]

This season is over. Recruits are going to jump ship if Kelly stays on any longer. ND is losing to mid level teams. This is all coaching. Terrible in game coaching, terrible game plan coaching and what I see the most is terrible offseason coaching. These players look out of shape and unprepared and disinterested. I really think the players lost respect for Kelly when he failed to name a starting QB. Kelly has no connection/relationship with his players. There is no family feeling to this team.

 

[end_23]

He has to resign tomorrow. Jack can cut him a check. He's already $et for life. Harbaugh has meatchicken in the playoff in year two. Kelly is confused in year seven.

 

[AdvanSix]

these are some tremendous posts.

 

[NotreDomer1]

these are some tremendous posts.

When taken in context, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who didn't agree. Kudos to Kelly for turning it around.

 

[stu4don]

Kelly is our best coach since Holtz and you are right, kudos, he really showed me a lot in the transition. I'm 60 and it is damn hard to change the way you do things at this age. But to interview all of your guys and to really listen to their complaints and suggestions and then to let go of long time friends (Longo, Dembrock) and hire young promising coaches who were unknown to you and most importantly to fundamentally change the way you do your daily business of running a program - showed me a lot. I found it inspiring and how great that it has had real results. It all started when he convinced McQ and Nelson to stay...

 

[Nocalirish]

Kelly needs to finish the job then he can claim the credit. Maybe he was meant to be a principal and not a teacher.

 

[Zorich 88]

I stand by my original post. The only reason why Kelly is still around, is because ND was not willing to pay another coaches multi million dollar buyout I.e. CW.

I do think Kelly is a good administrator. He has brought in the right coaches that have totally turned this thing around.

Kelly has totally given up the offensive play calling, which has resulted in a good season. Kelly needs to just sit back and be a GM for this team. He cannot coach big games. He has no clue how to make in game adjustments. The guys that he brought in however, know how to call plays and they know how to prepare for a game.

 

[echowaker]

I stand by my original post. The only reason why Kelly is still around, is because ND was not willing to pay another coaches multi million dollar buyout I.e. CW.

I do think Kelly is a good administrator. He has brought in the right coaches that have totally turned this thing around.

Kelly has totally given up the offensive play calling, which has resulted in a good season. Kelly needs to just sit back and be a GM for this team. He cannot coach big games. He has no clue how to make in game adjustments. The guys that he brought in however, know how to call plays and they know how to prepare for a game.

they prepare exactly how kelly has told them he wants them to prepare. to think otherwise is silly. the head coach sets the tone.

 

[irishstuey81]

I wanted him gone more than probably anyone on this site.

Gotta give him some credit though. Not going to litigate this anymore, but whatever the change has been, it's showing on the field (with a lot of the same roster from last year). Hopefully the admins are willing to dig into the coffers and retain these new assistants.

 

[Telx1]

Kelly owns the mess he helped create last year with his stubborn retention of BVG and allowing the S&C program to deteriorate, and the resulting player discontent, etc... and he owns this year’s turnaround. The HC owns the culture and tone and energy and overarching football philosophy as expressed by his hires and they’re schematic teaching. Kelly did something very few coaches do successfully, and that was a comprehensive self evaluation along with program evaluation from top to bottom, and willingness to embrace change at nearly every level. As a result, he has the program hitting on all cylinders this season, and he deserves the same level of credit for this as he deserved blame for last season’s debacle. That’s what being HC means.

 

[NDAFArly]

I stand by my original post. The only reason why Kelly is still around, is because ND was not willing to pay another coaches multi million dollar buyout I.e. CW.

I do think Kelly is a good administrator. He has brought in the right coaches that have totally turned this thing around.

Kelly has totally given up the offensive play calling, which has resulted in a good season. Kelly needs to just sit back and be a GM for this team. He cannot coach big games. He has no clue how to make in game adjustments. The guys that he brought in however, know how to call plays and they know how to prepare for a game.

Kelly hasn’t called plays since 2014. That is a fact.
And in the UGA game if he would have taken over from Long ND would have won. But he didn’t want to win a battle (UGA) to lose a war (the entire season). After that game Kelly taught Long how to call plays/scheme against a team who puts 5 over 3 on your left strong side & their best end/LB on the weaker right side— you get to the edge on the right. And look what has happened since.

I find it amazing that if ND’s coordinators do bad it’s Kelly’s fault, but if they do well it’s none of his. Kelly sets up game plans with Elko, but he gets no credit for that?

The D could fail this weekend & the offense suceeed, but then people will praise Long & rip Kelly.

 

[NIN Irish]

I wanted him gone more than probably anyone on this site.

Gotta give him some credit though. Not going to litigate this anymore, but whatever the change has been, it's showing on the field (with a lot of the same roster from last year). Hopefully the admins are willing to dig into the coffers and retain these new assistants.

Is that you cvgr?

 

[Zorich 88]

Kelly hasn’t called plays since 2014. That is a fact.
And in the UGA game if he would have taken over from Long ND would have won. But he didn’t want to win a battle (UGA) to lose a war (the entire season). After that game Kelly taught Long how to call plays/scheme against a team who puts 5 over 3 on your left strong side & their best end/LB on the weaker right side— you get to the edge on the right. And look what has happened since.

I find it amazing that if ND’s coordinators do bad it’s Kelly’s fault, but if they do well it’s none of his. Kelly sets up game plans with Elko, but he gets no credit for that?

The D could fail this weekend & the offense suceeed, but then people will praise Long & rip Kelly.

If you think Kelly hasn't called plays in 3 years, you have not been paying attention to him on the sideline. Haven't you noticed he doesn't have the play sheet in his hands anymore? Since he arrived he has carried the play sheet on the sidelines. This is the first time he has empty hands. Yes, Kelly stopped calling all the plays by himself. However, he never stopped running the offense. This is the only time since Kelly arrived that the ND offense is balanced. Look how different the offense looks now. Look at the results in the red zone. The ND offense has looked the same since Kelly arrived.

Kelly SUCKS as a play caller. Kelly SUCKS at in game adjustments. Kelly is a good recruiter and a good GM.

 

[Zorich 88]

they prepare exactly how kelly has told them he wants them to prepare. to think otherwise is silly. the head coach sets the tone.

Did they prepare the way Kelly wanted to last season? Kelly is hands off this season.

What a coincidence, all the players are basically the same (minus a QB that is now in the NFL). However, he lets real coaches run the offense and defense and look at the results.

 

[echowaker]

Kelly owns the mess he helped create last year with his stubborn retention of BVG and allowing the S&C program to deteriorate, and the resulting player discontent, etc... and he owns this year’s turnaround. The HC owns the culture and tone and energy and overarching football philosophy as expressed by his hires and they’re schematic teaching. Kelly did something very few coaches do successfully, and that was a comprehensive self evaluation along with program evaluation from top to bottom, and willingness to embrace change at nearly every level. As a result, he has the program hitting on all cylinders this season, and he deserves the same level of credit for this as he deserved blame for last season’s debacle. That’s what being HC means.

winner, winner.

 

[echowaker]

Did they prepare the way Kelly wanted to last season? Kelly is hands off this season.

What a coincidence, all the players are basically the same (minus a QB that is now in the NFL). However, he lets real coaches run the offense and defense and look at the results.

you clearly don't understand the inner workings of a major college football program. i experienced it as a player and have seen it up close and personal at many places.

 

[NDAFArly]

If you think Kelly hasn't called plays in 3 years, you have not been paying attention to him on the sideline. Haven't you noticed he doesn't have the play sheet in his hands anymore? Since he arrived he has carried the play sheet on the sidelines. This is the first time he has empty hands. Yes, Kelly stopped calling all the plays by himself. However, he never stopped running the offense. This is the only time since Kelly arrived that the ND offense is balanced. Look how different the offense looks now. Look at the results in the red zone. The ND offense has looked the same since Kelly arrived.

Kelly SUCKS as a play caller. Kelly SUCKS at in game adjustments. Kelly is a good recruiter and a good GM.

Sucks? So how did he win national titles at his first stop? Turn around a two win MAC team to conference champions? Take Cincy to 12-0 & 1 second away from a national title game? Take ND to 12-0 & a national title game? All those things happened when he called plays.

And if you knew what actually goes on in the ND meetings this year you would know that Kelly basically lays it all out for Long. And if you go back & watch the games, look at how many times ND has called timeout before a huge play & Kelly walks over to Long & tells him what play to call. I will give you a few examples. First game, Temple. Fourth & goal at the one. Kelly told Long to run right becaus Temple was going to slant hard left. Touchdown, Adams walks in. Fourth down UGA. Kelly calls timeout. Talks to Long before he talks to team. They run right over Center because UGA was selling out on both ends. Play got first down & then go ahead FG. MSU, Kelly told Long to throw laterally on MSU instead of running the ball early, to loosen them up. ND marched up the field on MSU after completeing 6 early lateral passes, causing the LBs to back off.

If Wimbush just completes 60% of his passes, ND is unstoppable.

 

[NDAFArly]

Did they prepare the way Kelly wanted to last season? Kelly is hands off this season.

What a coincidence, all the players are basically the same (minus a QB that is now in the NFL). However, he lets real coaches run the offense and defense and look at the results.

What? Kelly isn’t hands off? He is the opposite. Last year he was hands off & not around. This year he has his hands in EVERYTHING, absolutely everything. All the players & coaches have said it has made a huge difference.
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[88ND]

Sucks? So how did he win national titles at his first stop? Turn around a two win MAC team to conference champions? Take Cincy to 12-0 & 1 second away from a national title game? Take ND to 12-0 & a national title game? All those things happened when he called plays.

And if you knew what actually goes on in the ND meetings this year you would know that Kelly basically lays it all out for Long. And if you go back & watch the games, look at how many times ND has called timeout before a huge play & Kelly walks over to Long & tells him what play to call. I will give you a few examples. First game, Temple. Fourth & goal at the one. Kelly told Long to run right becaus Temple was going to slant hard left. Touchdown, Adams walks in. Fourth down UGA. Kelly calls timeout. Talks to Long before he talks to team. They run right over Center because UGA was selling out on both ends. Play got first down & then go ahead FG. MSU, Kelly told Long to throw laterally on MSU instead of running the ball early, to loosen them up. ND marched up the field on MSU after completeing 6 early lateral passes, causing the LBs to back off.

If Wimbush just completes 60% of his passes, ND is unstoppable.

I think he's a tremendous offensive play caller. He uses to exploit things. Go hurry up no huddle befire anyone was doing it. It gave him an edge.

Then things just got weird.

I don't know what else to say there.

 

[NDAFArly]

I think he's a tremendous offensive play caller. He uses to exploit things. Go hurry up no huddle befire anyone was doing it. It gave him an edge.

Then things just got weird.

I don't know what else to say there.

I think at smaller programs he took all responsibility away from his QB & basically told him what to do.
At ND the players don’t handle that well. Which is funny because that is what Steve spurrier did at Florida & even Urban Meyer to a point.
You could see with Crist he would tell him who would be open, but Christ would use his own abilities & they clashed.

 

[Zorich 88]

Sucks? So how did he win national titles at his first stop? Turn around a two win MAC team to conference champions? Take Cincy to 12-0 & 1 second away from a national title game? Take ND to 12-0 & a national title game? All those things happened when he called plays.

And if you knew what actually goes on in the ND meetings this year you would know that Kelly basically lays it all out for Long. And if you go back & watch the games, look at how many times ND has called timeout before a huge play & Kelly walks over to Long & tells him what play to call. I will give you a few examples. First game, Temple. Fourth & goal at the one. Kelly told Long to run right becaus Temple was going to slant hard left. Touchdown, Adams walks in. Fourth down UGA. Kelly calls timeout. Talks to Long before he talks to team. They run right over Center because UGA was selling out on both ends. Play got first down & then go ahead FG. MSU, Kelly told Long to throw laterally on MSU instead of running the ball early, to loosen them up. ND marched up the field on MSU after completeing 6 early lateral passes, causing the LBs to back off.

If Wimbush just completes 60% of his passes, ND is unstoppable.

Coaching a D2 school is nothing like coaching at ND.

I could careless what Kelly did at any school. Up until this season, Kelly lost way more big games than he won.

So, Kelly is now calling plays from the sideline but when the offense sucked last year he didn't call anything???

Kelly is an awesome D2 coach.
Kelly is an awesome MAC coach.

He cannot and has not been able to out coach the big guys. Yes, he beat Stoops. Lost to all other big name coaches.

 

[Zorich 88]

you clearly don't understand the inner workings of a major college football program. i experienced it as a player and have seen it up close and personal at many places.

I know exactly what goes on my friend.
Film Sunday
Opponents film Monday with coaches. Coaches will layout what they plan to do against opponent. Yes, Kelly has input as the head coach. However, the OC and DC create the game plan. Head coach will have final say.

Kelly does not create a defensive game plan. Kelly does not call plays in the game. On neither offense or defense.

 

[NDAFArly]

Coaching a D2 school is nothing like coaching at ND.

I could careless what Kelly did at any school. Up until this season, Kelly lost way more big games than he won.

So, Kelly is now calling plays from the sideline but when the offense sucked last year he didn't call anything???

Kelly is an awesome D2 coach.
Kelly is an awesome MAC coach.

He cannot and has not been able to out coach the big guys. Yes, he beat Stoops. Lost to all other big name coaches.

So 2012 never happened. Got it.

2015 with backups everywhere never happened. Got it.

You do realize in the last 5 years ND has been ranked in the top 5 midway through the season 3 times? And if they beat N.C. State tomorrow there is a very good chance it goes to 4 out of 6 seasons?

Someone else posted a thread about all the other coaches who people wanted to take over ND & how they are more than struggling at P5 schools. (Herman, Fleck, Mendenhal, Martin, Durkin...)

Grass is greener

 

[echowaker]

I know exactly what goes on my friend.
Film Sunday
Opponents film Monday with coaches. Coaches will layout what they plan to do against opponent. Yes, Kelly has input as the head coach. However, the OC and DC create the game plan. Head coach will have final say.

Kelly does not create a defensive game plan. Kelly does not call plays in the game. On neither offense or defense.

Way off. You're describing what YOU think happens during a week during the season. What you see now is a result of the direction of the program that the head coach has implemented. He sets the tone. He gets the most money. He gets the bulk of the blame and the bulk of the credit. It's his program. He determines how he wants things done. To suggest he is not significantly involved in every phase is way off.

 

[echowaker]

If you think Kelly hasn't called plays in 3 years, you have not been paying attention to him on the sideline. Haven't you noticed he doesn't have the play sheet in his hands anymore? Since he arrived he has carried the play sheet on the sidelines. This is the first time he has empty hands. Yes, Kelly stopped calling all the plays by himself. However, he never stopped running the offense. This is the only time since Kelly arrived that the ND offense is balanced. Look how different the offense looks now. Look at the results in the red zone. The ND offense has looked the same since Kelly arrived.

Kelly SUCKS as a play caller. Kelly SUCKS at in game adjustments. Kelly is a good recruiter and a good GM.

He actually has a smaller sheet in his pocket but what does that matter ? He s on the headset and hears every call on both sides of the ball. What do you think an in game adjustment is ? I d loved to hear your answer.

 

[gautrp]

Coaching a D2 school is nothing like coaching at ND.

I could careless what Kelly did at any school. Up until this season, Kelly lost way more big games than he won.

So, Kelly is now calling plays from the sideline but when the offense sucked last year he didn't call anything???

Kelly is an awesome D2 coach.
Kelly is an awesome MAC coach.

He cannot and has not been able to out coach the big guys. Yes, he beat Stoops. Lost to all other big name coaches.

He lost to Stoops too.

 

[88ND]

So 2012 never happened. Got it.

2015 with backups everywhere never happened. Got it.

You do realize in the last 5 years ND has been ranked in the top 5 midway through the season 3 times? And if they beat N.C. State tomorrow there is a very good chance it goes to 4 out of 6 seasons?

Someone else posted a thread about all the other coaches who people wanted to take over ND & how they are more than struggling at P5 schools. (Herman, Fleck, Mendenhal, Martin, Durkin...)

Grass is greener

How many big games...aside from USC this past week...
How many major bowl victories? How many odd defying wins has he pulled off.

I wabt him to be elite. But they do have to play the games.

There will come a moment when the win or loss this year will stem from a decision from him.

We know how that has gone so far.

To be continued......

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Shocked to see this post. Fortunately, it was posted over a year ago.

I was bashing Kelly and calling for his head as well. I'm glad he has set his ego aside and hired hot-shot assistants.

 

[stu4don]

So glad Swarbrick makes the hiring and firing decisions and not Z88!

Go Irish.

 

[SeanPol355]

Zorich88 please invest $99 in a subscription and get real inside info.

 

[Zorich 88]

He actually has a smaller sheet in his pocket but what does that matter ? He s on the headset and hears every call on both sides of the ball. What do you think an in game adjustment is ? I d loved to hear your answer.

I will give you in game adjustments that Kelly blew.

Let's start with Texas and the dual QB debacle. There is absolutely no way MZ should have started the 3rd. DK started to get a Rhythm going but Kelly keeps doing the QB two step??? The in game adjustment is DK is out playing MZ, stick with DK and stop rotating.

Or how about NCST and the hurricane. Kelly decided his QB can throw in 40mph winds in a rain storm. Instead of adjusting and saying run, run, run.

A good in game adjustment is as simple as seeing a defense continually loading the box with 7-8 players and daring a team to throw. You simply Run more play action and make the defense unload the box.

Or, if you are not getting pressure on the QB with 4 players, you will have to start sending a extra rush man.

Or, how is the defense playing your TE? If you have a athletic TE you can exploit the LB that is trying to cover him.

Or, you might have planned to be in a cover three to stop the pass but the team is burning you with the run. You will have to bring a man down from pass cover to play the run.

Again an example from Kelly. ND sucked at red zone TDs under Kelly running the offense. Stop running spread in the red zone and switch to power football. Double TE power football.

I coach football. I know what in game adjustments are. I know what it's like on the sidelines when what you game planned for just ain't working. I know how to start in a spread during a game but because my line is not pass protecting I have to switch to power or simply add one more blocker.

 

[Zorich 88]

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He actually has a smaller sheet in his pocket but what does that matter ? He s on the headset and hears every call on both sides of the ball. What do you think an in game adjustment is ? I d loved to hear your answer.

When he called the offense the sheet stayed in his hand while the offense was on the field. So he carries a condensed version of plays???? If he was involved in play calling still he would still have the full plays in his hand.

 

[Zorich 88]

Jack couldn't fire Kelly last year. He would have gotten fired with him.

 

[Zorich 88]

Zorich88 please invest $99 in a subscription and get real inside info.

Anything important will be posted on other sites. I will save my $$$.

 

[NDAFArly]

How many big games...aside from USC this past week...
How many major bowl victories? How many odd defying wins has he pulled off.

I wabt him to be elite. But they do have to play the games.

There will come a moment when the win or loss this year will stem from a decision from him.

We know how that has gone so far.

To be continued......

So if ND wins it’s not him, but if they lose it’s him? Got it. You must have worked for Hillary, since selective memory & blame was her motto...

 

[NDAFArly]

Jack couldn't fire Kelly last year. He would have gotten fired with him.

That post just proved you know nothing about Notre Dame, Father Jenkins or anything of importance. Lol.

 

[Zorich 88]

So if ND wins it’s not him, but if they lose it’s him? Got it. You must have worked for Hillary, since selective memory & blame was her motto...

Kelly is doing what I wanted him to do two years ago and that is stand on the sideline and just enjoy the game. Stop trying to run the offense and be the head coach. Long knows what he is doing. Kelly has done a great job of swallowing his pride and stepping aside. He is not calling the offense or defense. I didn't blame Kelly for the Georgia loss. I did blame Kelly for last years debacle because he was calling the offense.

 

[NDAFArly]

Anything important will be posted on other sites. I will save my $$$.

Um, not really. All sites protect their premium content. But he is talking about on the Premium sites they have coaches & scouts who break down film, talk to people in the program, & explain what actually is going on. Not people like you who throw out theories.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

zorro, if every coach could play the way you talk then every coach would win a NC every year. Obviously, you are not Nick Saban or Urban Meyer so, please go on about how you play Monday morning quarterback.

ND has who it has - Brian Kelly. He got ND to the championship in 2012 and almost there in 2015. Now ND is in control of their destiny. in 2017.

I believe in ND THIS year and have to wait for them to play out their schedule. If you can do it better then why aren't you there already? Heck, why are you not Bill Parcells and winning the Super Bowl.

 

[Zorich 88]

That post just proved you know nothing about Notre Dame, Father Jenkins or anything of importance. Lol.

Whatever my friend. I know for a fact ND was not going to pay the Kelly buyout the way they just paid the CW buyout. Jack and Jack alone convinced Father Jenkins and the board into giving Kelly his last contract. Kelly did a great job in bringing in the new coaches. That saved Kelly and Jack.