Students who walked out. That will be one of your lifetime mistakes.
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As much as I disliked what they (and some of their parents) did, they have a right to their freedom of expression. I'm happy that they just walked out quietly rather than staying and disrupting the VP's right to speak.
If the US keeps marching down it's secular progressive path these grads will likely have no regrets.
Glad that Trump did not come to ND because he is showing by his trip to the Middle East what a really great
President he is ! I am very proud of our President ! He is serving our country doing what he
Is now doing right now much better than he would by speaking at a commencement exercise at Notre Dame or any other university !
President he is ! I am very proud of our President ! He is serving our country doing what he
Is now doing right now much better than he would by speaking at a commencement exercise at Notre Dame or any other university !
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at my med school..if you didn't stay for the commencement you did not get your decree
These liberal crap weasels would be happy with a vile criminal running the country done the toilet like the lawless fool Obama. How sad!
What is the saying? "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you don't have a heart. But if you are not conservative when you are older, you don't have any money."
Perhaps these students felt that walking out was taking a once in a lifetime opportunity to make a statement.
And they of course could listen to Pence's speech after.
This wan't freedom of speech or expression but rather freedom of a temper tantrum. What was gained by walking out? These young people, most likely encouraged by adults on campus, will not be able to walk out and find safe zones in the real world. What's their plan? To walk out from every staff meeting that they don't agree with company policy? Walk out on a client who has differing views on how to make their product better? Walk out on bosses, fellow employees, clients, business partners, husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, movies, plays, musicals, concerts? There aren't that many safe places in the world to hold these babies. I understand they were patting themselves on the back last night but along with that pat, they also deserve gentle ridicule for acting like spoiled brats.
It brought national attention to their concerns. I'd say that was something gained.
Of course - because there was no national attention on any of the protests at all that happened on ND's campus when Obama was there.
As an ND Alum, I'm proud of those kids. They spoke their minds and acted on their beliefs. They did so in a polite and responsible fashion. There was no violence and there was minimal, and organized, disruption. Let's just hope that this is not their last act in support of their political beliefs. Let's hope they vote in every election and even get involved in politics.
Since I was not at the Commencement that President Obama spoke at or the one that VP Pense spoke at
Yesterday, please correct me if Anyone has more information than I have.
Based upon what I see , heard and remember.
1. I think that the students who walked out on VP Pense, were not only disrespectful to the VP,but were also
Disrespectful to their fellow graduates and their parents as well as to ND.
I believed that those students who boycotted President Obama did not attend the actual Commencement, but rather held their own private one ? If so, they did not disrupt the actual Commencement for those in attendance?
2. The main objective of the President Obama protest was more against both President Obama and ND on
Religious grounds more than on political grounds. As far as I know ( although some posters on other treads seem to say otherwise ? ), The Church's position is that " Human Life begins at conception " ! It is a fundamental teaching of the Catholic Faith !
President Obama's Pro abortion views were clearly know before ND invited him. In short, many Catholics
Felt betrayed by ND giving an honorary degree to an openly Pro Abortion person, President or not !
In short, the current protest was about politics, the president Obama protest was not about politics, but rather about a Catholic University honoring a person with strong views directly opposed to Catholic teachings.
There is a big difference between a Religious and a political protest !
Yesterday, please correct me if Anyone has more information than I have.
Based upon what I see , heard and remember.
1. I think that the students who walked out on VP Pense, were not only disrespectful to the VP,but were also
Disrespectful to their fellow graduates and their parents as well as to ND.
I believed that those students who boycotted President Obama did not attend the actual Commencement, but rather held their own private one ? If so, they did not disrupt the actual Commencement for those in attendance?
2. The main objective of the President Obama protest was more against both President Obama and ND on
Religious grounds more than on political grounds. As far as I know ( although some posters on other treads seem to say otherwise ? ), The Church's position is that " Human Life begins at conception " ! It is a fundamental teaching of the Catholic Faith !
President Obama's Pro abortion views were clearly know before ND invited him. In short, many Catholics
Felt betrayed by ND giving an honorary degree to an openly Pro Abortion person, President or not !
In short, the current protest was about politics, the president Obama protest was not about politics, but rather about a Catholic University honoring a person with strong views directly opposed to Catholic teachings.
There is a big difference between a Religious and a political protest !
The line between "political grounds" and "religious grounds" is not so easily defined.
RGC, with all due respect, the students were protesting VP Pence's anti-LGBTQ stances. I know that you are a religious man but, as far as I know, the Church teaches tolerance and VP Pence does not. These students were respectful to both the University and their fellow students. They quietly left without yelling or showing any verbal disrespect to the VP.
I don't know enough about the Obama protest to know if it was really about a religious or a political issue. I will note, however, that abortion is not just a religious issue but it is also a political issue. Religions can, and due, demonize religions but they cannot stop it. Only through the political process can it be stopped which, of course, makes is a political issue.
I'm proud of these kids for sticking up for their values. Obviously the University had no problem with it as they were not disruptive. Kids, at 21 or 22, should be politically active and should be stating their minds. If I was fortunate enough to have one of my kids graduating from ND, I would have proudly supported their decision to walk out on VP Pence.
You and I disagree on many (perhaps most) issues but I still have a lot of respect for you. I think these kids chose to use a respectful form of protest.
Duck,
You may be right on the LGBTQ reason for the protest, but I do not see any anti LGBTQ statements
Coming from VP Pense, unless his religious belief in Traditional Marriage can be viewed as being anti LGBTQ? I believe that Pense' s position on Traditional Marriage is the same as that of the Catholic Church,s ?
Even thought the Catholic Church is not Anti Gay and no way excludes any Gays from practicing their Catholic Faith, As far as I know, the one thing that the Catholic Church will not support is Gay Marriage ?
So, Pence , the Catholic Church and ND ( not sure about ND ) all agree on Traditional Marriage.
In short, if the protesting students were protesting Pense's religious believes on traditional
Marriage, they were also protesting against the believes of the Catholic Church ?
They certainly had the right to protest, but I think a boycott would have been more respectful to ND, all the other graduates, and their families .
Even thought you are correct that we certain differ in our political views, I also always enjoy debating our views and always respect yours as well !
Who is more marginalized and needs justice warriors than the aborted fetuses? I wonder if the students that walked out support unlimited pro choice. If so they are selective in their support for what ND should stand for.
Why is it an either/or proposition? Maybe the students were content with Pence's stance on abortion but not the other things.
Generally speaking , you are correct ! In my view, however, any religion must be built upon solid
Laws, commandments, and fundamental teaching. If those fundamentals can all be politicized,
The religion is of no real value because it is not build on a solid foundation !
The faculty member stated that the students who walked out strongly believe that everything Mike Pence stands for is at odds with the university's mission of fighting for social justice. The key word here is everything, as in everything VP Pence stands for is at odds with the students and the university's mission. So, I'm guessing the students and the faculty member is pro-abortion and the administration is predictably quiet. I'd also like to know what these students and faculty member have actually done for the marginalized other than walking out of events celebrating themselves and making cool signs for a protest. These babies are in for a rude awakening when they have to leave their sandbox for the real world.
You don't have to poll everyone. Do you know ANYONE that change their opinions? Did you change your opinion on ANY issue? Did you suddenly change your opinion on taxes, abortion, religion, Trump? Doubt it.
The walk-out happened yesterday. I haven't spoken with anyone about it.
My opinion wasn't changed by what happened yesterday, but my opinion, I'm guessing, generally is in line with those who walked out.
Speaking as an atheist, I'd like to see a religion based upon logic and facts but, alas, I don't think that that is possible.
I'm guessing the "everything Mike Pence stands for" is what is known as hyperbole.
Christianity is based on historical fact but you refuse to see and believe. That will be your problem in the end. I will have enough of my own. It makes perfect sense in your world that people allowed themselves to be martyred for something false, especially the first generation martyrs who were actually there. I don't agree with anything you say on the subject but I will never walk out on you when you are making your comments. I'm good like that.
LGBT issues are a fact that will not go away. I have nothing against who someone wants to be or who they want to love. They should not be discriminated against based on the LBGT status.
I do have some issues with the transgender thing and I think that they need to resolved. If someone wants to identify with and then change their physical sexuality, that's their business. I do worry about some stories that I read about parents encouraging their kids to alter their sexual identities, sometimes a very young ages. I am hoping that the medical and psychiatric community is staying ahead of this trend because I worry that in some cases the parent may be doing more damage.
I also think that the competition rules needs to be clearly defined in some ways based on testosterone levels so that some transgender athletes don't get unfair advantages.
Finally I think that the bathroom/locker room issue is important especially at younger ages. Maybe I'm wrong but I would have a problem if my 10 year old daughter was sharing a locker room with a male that identified as a female but still retained his male parts. Some common sense respect for both parties in this type of situation should be the norm.
You're either pro-life or you're not. What's confusing about that? Mike Pence is pro-life. Is this something that VP Pence doesn't really believe? He was my governor. What he says he means. The students have selected mission
statement beliefs and maybe some in the administration do too.
statement beliefs and maybe some in the administration do too.
Does this mean Earth is 6,000 years old, or God simply waited 4.5 billion years to create humans on Earth?
Correct ! " Impossible to do " ! Even as a non believer, I believe that you have to admit, that every
Republicans aren't t pro life they are pro birth. Once a child is born they don t seem to give a damn about their welfare.
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