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Kelly is worthless. Dont think future recruits didnt notice not one ND player drafted in the first. Even 4-8 UCLA had a player drafted. Kelly is killing ND football.
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Please stop talking. Kelly isn't the best coach in the land by far, but to say he hasn't gotten kids into the NFL is absurd.
Please stop talking. Kelly isn't the best coach in the land by far, but to say he hasn't gotten kids into the NFL is absurd.
I'm assuming that you are much like the millennial groups, in that the only thing that matters to you is instant gratification.
4-8 season, no bowl game and no players drafted in the first round of the NFL draft. How much more do you need?
So after just 2 posts, it's become glaringly obvious that you're missing my point.
Agree to disagree. Have a good night sir.
Agree to disagree. Have a good night sir.
What would be your response if DK did get drafted tonight- he did it despite BK right? You clearly have an agenda.
Oklahoma, Florida State, Oregon, Penn St, Nebraska, Texas, Auburn and Georgia also had 0.
SEVEN last year TWO in round one -- maybe that has something to do with our shitty season and the lack of first rounders this year... We lost everyone a year ago.
Next year we will have at least TWO FIRST ROUNDERS... and SEVEN DRAFTED.
Just watch.
Next year we will have at least TWO FIRST ROUNDERS... and SEVEN DRAFTED.
Just watch.
The QB picks were very strange. Better QB's have gone 4-6 rounds in past drafts. Talent wise DK is the best QB. As always with the NFL matching team and talent is key.
It probably hurt DK that Kelly campaigned against him. And free agency probably hurts him; a team might put 2-3 years in and then when he is approaching stardom, he might be gone. The NFL is a "now" league.
DK will exceed the 1st 2 QB's chosen. I look for the NYG to take him if available Rd.2 Pittsburg made a mistake passing on DK. Cleveland and the Bears are historical draft screwups!
It probably hurt DK that Kelly campaigned against him. And free agency probably hurts him; a team might put 2-3 years in and then when he is approaching stardom, he might be gone. The NFL is a "now" league.
DK will exceed the 1st 2 QB's chosen. I look for the NYG to take him if available Rd.2 Pittsburg made a mistake passing on DK. Cleveland and the Bears are historical draft screwups!
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DK didn't get upset because BK had given DK facts. DK did need more time in college to develop his game. Development comes quicker playing than carrying a clipboard around watching somebody else. BK told DK the truth and then supported him in DK's decision. DK could end up in a great situation tonight with either Arizona or New Orleans. I wish him the best.
DK has class. Kelly might take lessons from him. Kelly was still dissing the kid this week.
The Joan Crawford of head coaching.
I normally givea R-A about the post ND careers being that the rewards are lucrative enough;
but having your own head coach and fans throw you under the bus! geez!
This wreaks of camouflaging blame for the failures by the staff.
The Joan Crawford of head coaching.
I normally givea R-A about the post ND careers being that the rewards are lucrative enough;
but having your own head coach and fans throw you under the bus! geez!
This wreaks of camouflaging blame for the failures by the staff.
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Do you think we were the only ones who noticed the body language between Kizer and Kelly? How as the season went on he walked past him and ignored him? Whether you like Kelly or not or think he is a good or bad coach I suggest to all players to stare your coach in the face and nod your head. The body language / attitude is clear and it is coaches and gm's who watch it and see someone who does not want to listen to authority.
yep^ but when it become a pattern: Crist, EG, DK, and even TR at moments.
and DK's position coach had high praise for him.
and DK's position coach had high praise for him.
Listening to Mel Kiper on Mike & Mike this morning. The questioned was assked of Mel in his opinion, who is the best of the rest in the 2nd round. DK's name was never mentioned. Getting drafted early is one thing. Parlaying your college fortunes to the NFL is quite another. We going to blame Lou for all the great QBs he mentored at ND with little to no success to show for it at the next level? What about BQ? You can body shame CW all you want but he developed and worked with QBs at the highest level. The lack of NFL success concerning BQ is on CW?
I think the lack of that DK is experiencing mimicks the attitude towards ND football in general.
Being drafted high is a financial thing; DK will get his opportunity to succeed or fail on his merits.
The select few actually succeed in the NFL. It is the hardest position to predict.
Holtz QB's played a game very unlike that played in the NFL and required a very different skill set.
BB, not Weis, was responsible for TB. BB benched Drew Bledsoe, a #1 pick to insert an inexperienced Brady.
Kizer did not benefit from having a Head Coach and fan base who supported him. The 3 QB's drafted got such support - or at least the abscence of negative. For DK and his situation, it was an abscence of positive and in interpretation: negative.
And incredibly, bizarrely the ND fans trashing DK cannot undrrstand his decision to go draft!
geez! Ultimately DK will cry all the way to the bank!
Being drafted high is a financial thing; DK will get his opportunity to succeed or fail on his merits.
The select few actually succeed in the NFL. It is the hardest position to predict.
Holtz QB's played a game very unlike that played in the NFL and required a very different skill set.
BB, not Weis, was responsible for TB. BB benched Drew Bledsoe, a #1 pick to insert an inexperienced Brady.
Kizer did not benefit from having a Head Coach and fan base who supported him. The 3 QB's drafted got such support - or at least the abscence of negative. For DK and his situation, it was an abscence of positive and in interpretation: negative.
And incredibly, bizarrely the ND fans trashing DK cannot undrrstand his decision to go draft!
geez! Ultimately DK will cry all the way to the bank!
I can't believe Irish fans who have turned on DK. There may be some, but not many. I enjoyed his run at ND. His run agaianst Temple was one of my personal highlights, the end zone display not withstanding. How long will it be for some to turn on BW? Some Irish fans have a history of turning on their own QB.
I thought DK was going to go at #25 to the Browns. Perfect fit for a kid from Ohio.
When that didn't happen, I thought the Steelers were going to grab him at #30.
As a Steelers fan, I thought DK would have been a good pick, especially with Big Ben's retirement rumors. Not meant to be though, and I'm happy with TJ Watt.
When that didn't happen, I thought the Steelers were going to grab him at #30.
As a Steelers fan, I thought DK would have been a good pick, especially with Big Ben's retirement rumors. Not meant to be though, and I'm happy with TJ Watt.
I agree
but you know the critics get the 'ink'; having the head coach lead the way did not help.
There will come a day when DK looks back on the pre draft comments by his former HC and some fans and has a WTFrig moment. Not today, not tomorrow, but it will come.
And yes, failure needs a 'fault'. Sometimes failure is just a lack of success.
Do you think at all before you post ? nd had few players draft eligible. Think the recruits noticed the three guys drafted in the top 35 last year ?
Fans are t trashing him.it appears Kelly was spot on with his comments about kizer. I don't t blame him for wanting to get paid though.
^ so basically you are agreeing Kelly did him draft harm with his comments; comments he reiterated this week. The motive is to find excuse for 4-8.
As to the excuses by BK: he who excuses himself, accuses himself.
And Kelly has the small contingent that follow his lead.
As to the excuses by BK: he who excuses himself, accuses himself.
And Kelly has the small contingent that follow his lead.
I highly doubt the comments affected his draft status. A horrible combine along with inconsistency on film did. Both kizer and Zaire regressed under Sanford and Kelly.
Kelly's comments will have/had zero effect on Kizers draft status. This is a weak QB class from the beginning. None of these QB's are 1st round values, may not even be 2nd round values. Teams reach for QBs in the draft every year. Does anyone really believe Chicago should have drafted Trubisky with the #2 pick? Teams panic all the time and then trip all over each other to draft a QB. Kizer is the 4th or 5th best QB in this years draft because that is who he is. He is not ready to be the first QB taken or even a 1st round pick. But I would have bet anything that if he had stayed one more year under Kelly he would have developed into a 1st rounder next year. Kizer was not good last year in part because he was not as good as some believed. He is not going to prove himself sitting on some NFL bench carrying a clip board. Kizer needs to play to develop and the only place he would be playing next season was at ND, not in the NFL. Oh well that ship has sailed. IMO Kizer is looking at being a career back up in the NFL, not a starter.
Do you think at all before you post? Last year means nothing when a program is regressing after a 4-8 season.
recruits are aware of the 10+ year slide. ND is shoping in a different aisle from the Clemsons to tOSU Bama's USC's. That is a reality. The reasons, are separate from that reality.
My main teams of interest from youth were ND,Navy and Army. The decline of Army and Navy were tough to see, but they were not in the commercial football market, they had higher goals and missions.
Now ND, for different reasons, is no longer among the powers of college football. This one is a bit tougher to accept.
My main teams of interest from youth were ND,Navy and Army. The decline of Army and Navy were tough to see, but they were not in the commercial football market, they had higher goals and missions.
Now ND, for different reasons, is no longer among the powers of college football. This one is a bit tougher to accept.
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And how exactly has the program regressed after the 4-8 season? Do you feel better or worse about the program than you did right after the USC game?
What BK said was true, it's called reality and don't consider it him throwing Kizer under the bus. 99% of analysts from Gruden to Kiper said the same thing. You're saying he should have pumped sunshine!? Ha not sure why you don't think ND fans supported Kizer. Read any quotes from the kid and you'll see he thinks and perceives it differently.
Don't get fans mixed up with supporters. Kind of like the the last 8 years, I wasn't a fan but rooted for and supported Obama to do great things for our country and again now with the Donald.
Kelly has failed 3/6 seasons but he has shown the ability to take ND to the biggest stage and I will support him until the powers to be decide to make a change.
Well if Mcglinchey decided to leave that would have been a 1st rounder and if Nelson would have left probably a first rounder early second as well.... Kelly keeping players for an extra year is pretty impressive
At the beginning of last season many thought Bad Kaaya would be the #1 overall pick - I blame Kelly for his fall also!
Lucky for Kaaya he did not come under the influence of Kelly.
Of the top 3 QB's drafted, jmo, but none will exceed DK.
8 yrs in! and the 1st big game is again against a 2nd year head coach who is rebuilding his team; this should be a walkover right? no contest! After 8 years the 'machine' should be humming?
the season is coming....
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Has kaaya been selected yet ? Another of a long long list of uninformed posts.
Keep working on 30K - about time for you to post again about Jurcovec switching his pledge to Ohio State isn't it? We haven't seen three of those at the same time in a few weeks
Kelly spoke what he thought. So now a lot of people are up in arms. Give me break. If Kizer is upset ( I don't think he is) , then he has no business playing in the NFL. Kizer is an OK quarterback in my opinion. He definitely has an NFL body and the skill to make it. However, he lacks in his mechanics and decision making. He should have stayed to work on his game. I understand why he left. I don't blame him. The money is enticing and he probably felt a disconnect when he wasn't named the clear starter. With that said, I wish him the best. I hope he makes it and makes it big. As far as Kelly affecting Kizer's draft status, I seriously doubt it had any impact. Kizer auditioned in front of the NFL scouts and they saw first hand what he could and couldn't do. The reality is this. No one knows who is going to make it or not make it. Just get your foot in the door. The rest is up to you. Kizer is in the front door. Will he end up in the penthouse? Or will he end up on the outhouse? He has the talent? Does he have the will? Stay tuned.
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