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[Zorich 88]

I liked what Kelly did in the offseason. He brought in new coaches, he brought in a new coaching attitude for himself. However, watching last night showed nothing really changed. Kelly looked scared and overwhelmed at the start of the game. The players reflected that on the field. I really think ND needs a coaching change. Not really sure who ND should bring in but something has to change.

PJ Fleck: He has always been my #1 choice. However, he has never coached in an environment like we saw last night.

The reality is this, Kelly will never bring a championship to ND. In roughly 8 seasons, with top recruiting classes, Kelly has fallen short. Teams like Clemson, FSU and now possibly Miami, have passed ND. Throw in what Meyer has already accomplished at OSU and you can see Kelly's failure. You don't pay a guy what ND is paying Kelly to simply win 7-10 games. You pay that kind of $$$ to coaches you believe will bring a championship.

ND should finish 10-2 this season. Which 10-2 looks good on paper. However, when you look deeper you see Kelly lost both BIG games. Home to the dogs and away at the Canes. Also, ND will probably miss out on any major bowl this season. Or if they do make a major bowl, Kelly's track record says they will get smacked in the bowl.

I am a huge ND fan! My Grandfather started the tradition and passed it on to me now I have passed it to my son's. So please know, I am not bashing ND or am I bashing Kelly. I am simply going by what I have seen since Kelly has arrived. I want a championship back at ND! However, the reality is, Kelly is not the guy to bring.

 

[justified1]

There are very few candidates and million$ of reasons why BK returns for ‘18 and ‘19.
Elko and Balis, if they stay, are getting results. The OC will have another year of developing his plan.
Kelly is no longer the sole reason for failure nor success. The DC, OC and S&C staff are the front line coaches and I doubt ND can do better as far as they are concerned.

 

[Jolly O]

Wimbush's deficiencies as a passer were on full display last night. Miami took the run game away knowing that they had nothing to fear through the air. Plus the four turnovers. TheO-Line was completely dominated, no one more so than McGlinchey. None of that is Kelly's fault.

 

[justified1]

Wimbush's deficiencies as a passer were on full display last night. Miami took the run game away knowing that they had nothing to fear through the air. Plus the four turnovers. TheO-Line was completely dominated, no one more so than McGlinchey. None of that is Kelly's fault.

No single coach is at fault. But to say the H.C. is faultless is ridiculous.
The staff should have adequately assessed the Mia. DL abilities and devised a better game plan.
Speed needs space to run in. Take away space and go at them with bigger stronger men.
Even when the obvious was finally obvious, where was the adjustment?
And I am not buying into the Miami players actually being quicker. They were playing quicker and faster last night. That may be also a factor in game plans and coaching.

 

[Jolly O]

I did not say Kelly was faultless. I just pointed out several areas that killed us that were not his fault.
Your comment about speed needing room to operate in is true. Our slow developing run plays with delayed handoffs and pulling linemen provided all the room Miami's fast defense needed to disrupt everything.
Miami sure looked faster to me... a lot faster.

 

[Zorich 88]

Wimbush's deficiencies as a passer were on full display last night. Miami took the run game away knowing that they had nothing to fear through the air. Plus the four turnovers. TheO-Line was completely dominated, no one more so than McGlinchey. None of that is Kelly's fault.

Did Kelly recruit BW?

Has BW been under Kelly's coaching for 3 years?

Was ND prepared to play in this type of environment?

Did Kelly recruit the oline?

 

[57Patrick]

I wondered how long it would take someone to start the "we need a coaching change" conversation. The "Kelly can't win the big games" discussion is an interesting one. How many BIG games did the Irish have to win to get to the BIG game? MI St. on the road was a big game. Certainly USC was a big game, right? Was NC St. not a big game? If the only games that are big are the ones you lose, then OK, whatever. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but if winning a national if the sole determinant of a good coach, there are a lot of bad coaches out there. I want the IRISH to win a national title as much as anyone. However, OSU, Penn St., OK, FSU, GA have all taken it on the chin this year. Should all of them be replaced? Kelly has done an overall good job with the exception of last year which was a disaster. He did what a good HC would do. He made wholesale changes and until yesterday, they worked. The Irish will win 9, 10, or 11 games this year. They are having a solid recruiting year. They are definitely trending in the right direction. Just not there yet. GO IRISH!

 

[Howard Hall 74]

I liked what Kelly did in the offseason. He brought in new coaches, he brought in a new coaching attitude for himself. However, watching last night showed nothing really changed. Kelly looked scared and overwhelmed at the start of the game. The players reflected that on the field. I really think ND needs a coaching change. Not really sure who ND should bring in but something has to change.

PJ Fleck: He has always been my #1 choice. However, he has never coached in an environment like we saw last night.

The reality is this, Kelly will never bring a championship to ND. In roughly 8 seasons, with top recruiting classes, Kelly has fallen short. Teams like Clemson, FSU and now possibly Miami, have passed ND. Throw in what Meyer has already accomplished at OSU and you can see Kelly's failure. You don't pay a guy what ND is paying Kelly to simply win 7-10 games. You pay that kind of $$$ to coaches you believe will bring a championship.

ND should finish 10-2 this season. Which 10-2 looks good on paper. However, when you look deeper you see Kelly lost both BIG games. Home to the dogs and away at the Canes. Also, ND will probably miss out on any major bowl this season. Or if they do make a major bowl, Kelly's track record says they will get smacked in the bowl.

I am a huge ND fan! My Grandfather started the tradition and passed it on to me now I have passed it to my son's. So please know, I am not bashing ND or am I bashing Kelly. I am simply going by what I have seen since Kelly has arrived. I want a championship back at ND! However, the reality is, Kelly is not the guy to bring.

OK, I agree with some of your points and your direction, but there are many other issues you raise that aren't a fit. First, the assistants, although chosen by Kelly, was not Kelly's idea or motivation. This staff change was a result of the year end performance review (as all ND sport HC's have) between Kelly and Swarbrick. It was either make some changes or the program would have to go in another direction. Kelly changed the staff. Fine. It's proving to be a great move. The assistants have the team prepared and invigorated (by the way, if these 2 teams play in a month, it's a very different game. The new assistants will have the team prepared for the speed and athleticism of the lines). But this doesn't address the fundamental problems which are the overall direction, and philosophies of this HC and his judgement, temperament and coaching capabilities. Look, Kelly isn't a football leader. Maybe very good at putting together a program, but he's terrible at executing a HC's primary responsibilities. He's NOT a very good recruiter... motivator or inspirational figure. He's terrible at teaching. He is what he is. People will disagree, fine, the proof is the 8 years of results. If mediocrity is the pantheon of football for us now - we go it. Relax Kelly sycophants, he'll be here for another year or two.

 

[Zorich 88]

I wondered how long it would take someone to start the "we need a coaching change" conversation. The "Kelly can't win the big games" discussion is an interesting one. How many BIG games did the Irish have to win to get to the BIG game? MI St. on the road was a big game. Certainly USC was a big game, right? Was NC St. not a big game? If the only games that are big are the ones you lose, then OK, whatever. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but if winning a national if the sole determinant of a good coach, there are a lot of bad coaches out there. I want the IRISH to win a national title as much as anyone. However, OSU, Penn St., OK, FSU, GA have all taken it on the chin this year. Should all of them be replaced? Kelly has done an overall good job with the exception of last year which was a disaster. He did what a good HC would do. He made wholesale changes and until yesterday, they worked. The Irish will win 9, 10, or 11 games this year. They are having a solid recruiting year. They are definitely trending in the right direction. Just not there yet. GO IRISH!

As a financial contributor to the university of Notre Dame, I have every right to demand a coaching change.

All the teams you listed as big wins this season, are teams that are Middle of the pack teams in their conference or they are teams that will be lucky to finish in the top 20.

"just not there yet" What? How long does it take? It's been 8 years. If he hasn't done it yet, he will never do it.

 

[57Patrick]

As a financial contributor to the U of ND you have every right to recommend, wish, hope and pray for a coaching change. In fact, even if you aren't a financial contributor you have that right. I wouldn't go so far as to agree to the word demand however. Did you want a coaching change Friday? Also, do you really consider USC as a team in the Middle of the pack? I hope you are as good at whatever you do for a living as you DEMAND others to be. Hey, I'm not happy about last night either, but Kelly has made significant improvements since last year's debacle. Should we give him a massive extension, no. Should we fire him for going 9-3 or 10-2? You may think so, and I'll bet Miami fans are glad GA fans thought so too.

 

[ny_rob]

You guys are wasting time. Brian Kelly is not getting fired - no school would after a bounce back season like this. Do I like Kelly? Not really. But he’s getting another season, unless he wants to leave on his own (which is unlikely). It was a hard loss to swallow, but there’s nothing we can do. After all, 99% of college football fans feel similar pain every season - got to move on.

 

[rivals50]

Last night's loss was terrible and should not happen in year 8 when the team on the other side is no better than you.. (which i believe Miami is not and will get exposed).. however you can't take away from the fact that Kelly has taken ND to a

- national championship game once in his 8 year carrier

- had a playoff run till November this year and in 2015 (see how many teams along with Michigan were out way before.. and Michigan is paying their coach like 9 mil a year)

- I doubt there are more than 5-8 coaches that have had better performance than that in 5 years (2012-current).. (Besides Saban, Meyer, Fisher and bob stoops i don't think any other coach had their team three out of the six year either in the playoff/championship game or on the bubble just missing it..

- See previous 13 years (Davie, Ty, Charlie) we were struggling to win 7 games... We are way better than we use to be..

- If ND wanted to fire him last year we would been justified in doing so.. but he has rebounded back nicely and will lead us to another 10-11 win season (ask Tennessee, Nebraska, Florida, Florida State etc if they would be OK with a 10-11 win season)

- This loss hurts (like the loss against Stanford in 2015 as it would keep ND out of the playoffs) but ask yourself in previous 13 years were we ever even close to making it to championship game.. answer is a big fat no..

 

[Zorich 88]

Demand greatness! Kelly is getting millions of dollars. The expectations are greater at ND than they are at a NCST. Wolf pack fans are not expecting a championship. They expect 8-10 wins, anything above that, great! So yes, if a coach is getting what Kelly is getting, if ticket prices to watch ND play are set based off of a coaches salary, I can demand the best. Kelly is not the best.

 

[57Patrick]

Demand away big boy. Good luck to you.

 

[irish4life888]

As a financial contributor to the university of Notre Dame, I have every right to demand a coaching change.

All the teams you listed as big wins this season, are teams that are Middle of the pack teams in their conference or they are teams that will be lucky to finish in the top 20.

"just not there yet" What? How long does it take? It's been 8 years. If he hasn't done it yet, he will never do it.

Lmao, what a tool.

 

[IrishMike409]

I liked what Kelly did in the offseason. He brought in new coaches, he brought in a new coaching attitude for himself. However, watching last night showed nothing really changed. Kelly looked scared and overwhelmed at the start of the game. The players reflected that on the field. I really think ND needs a coaching change. Not really sure who ND should bring in but something has to change.

PJ Fleck: He has always been my #1 choice. However, he has never coached in an environment like we saw last night.

The reality is this, Kelly will never bring a championship to ND. In roughly 8 seasons, with top recruiting classes, Kelly has fallen short. Teams like Clemson, FSU and now possibly Miami, have passed ND. Throw in what Meyer has already accomplished at OSU and you can see Kelly's failure. You don't pay a guy what ND is paying Kelly to simply win 7-10 games. You pay that kind of $$$ to coaches you believe will bring a championship.

ND should finish 10-2 this season. Which 10-2 looks good on paper. However, when you look deeper you see Kelly lost both BIG games. Home to the dogs and away at the Canes. Also, ND will probably miss out on any major bowl this season. Or if they do make a major bowl, Kelly's track record says they will get smacked in the bowl.

I am a huge ND fan! My Grandfather started the tradition and passed it on to me now I have passed it to my son's. So please know, I am not bashing ND or am I bashing Kelly. I am simply going by what I have seen since Kelly has arrived. I want a championship back at ND! However, the reality is, Kelly is not the guy to bring.

Zorich- give it a rest. You lose credibility with this impulsive shit.

 

[scubastevefl]

Chip Kelly, it will never happen, but there wouldn't be a major overhaul on offense, they would improve right away.

 

[michigaNDer#1]

Stop giving Kelly praise for digging the team out of a 3-9 hole. He's the reason we were 3-9. Does your boss praise you for fixing your mistakes? Hell no! You'd be lucky if he doesn't remind you that he should have fired you for having a piss poor year and only doing 30% of what is expected as a minimum .

 

[Zorich 88]

Zorich- give it a rest. You lose credibility with this impulsive shit.

Impulsive? This happens year after year. This is 8 years in the making. If this was year 1-3 and I made these comments, you definitely can claim impulsive. However, this is almost a decade of Kelly. Anyone can clearly make a judgement on Kelly now.

 

[Zorich 88]

Lmao, what a tool.

Yes, call me a tool call me every ignorant word you want. What you cannot deny is this, Jimbo, Meyer, Dabo all started coaching at their current schools either at the same time or after Kelly joined ND. They all make about the same amount of money, yet Kelly has fallen short year after year. He can no longer claim 2012 as his saving grace. He makes to much money to average 8-9 wins a season.

 

[rivals50]

Stop giving Kelly praise for digging the team out of a 3-9 hole. He's the reason we were 3-9. Does your boss praise you for fixing your mistakes? Hell no! You'd be lucky if he doesn't remind you that he should have fired you for having a piss poor year and only doing 30% of what is expected as a minimum .

It was 4-8 not 3-9

 

[NyyorkerND]

Yes, call me a tool call me every ignorant word you want. What you cannot deny is this, Jimbo, Meyer, Dabo all started coaching at their current schools either at the same time or after Kelly joined ND. They all make about the same amount of money, yet Kelly has fallen short year after year. He can no longer claim 2012 as his saving grace. He makes to much money to average 8-9 wins a season.

Dude stop. You sound spoiled. If you really thought this was a championship team you were blind. We can't throw the ball when we need to!!!!! You're not winning a dam thing until you can do that. All that being said I'm happy with the season finish strong ND.

 

[michigaNDer#1]

It was 4-8 not 3-9

Lol. Ok. So he deserves less praise?

 

[NyyorkerND]

Lol. Ok. So he deserves less praise?

Last year is done its about this year and yeah he does deserve praise for being 8 and 2. Considering what last year was. ND doesn't need a natty we need 5 straight years of 9 plus win seasons. We need consistency before we talk about a chip.

 

[Zorich 88]

Dude stop. You sound spoiled. If you really thought this was a championship team you were blind. We can't throw the ball when we need to!!!!! You're not winning a dam thing until you can do that. All that being said I'm happy with the season finish strong ND.

I expect after 8 years, this should be a team that can compete for a championship. Yes, I am well aware this team has holes. However, there should not be so many glaring holes when the coach has been here for 8 years.

 

[Zorich 88]

Spoiled? After eight years I can't expect a championship?

 

[NyyorkerND]

Considering we havent won one in 30 plus I would say no. 88 they were in the playoff discussion with 3 games to go in the season. I just want consistency.

 

[tkirish]

Honestly, I don't think it matters who coaches this team. The formula is simple. You need elite players to be an elite program. ND admissions won't allow elite players in that are not able to cut it in the classroom. Sure there are a few exceptions. But the overwhelming majority of elite players go to schools where they can play and jump to the NFL. So unless the ND administration does a 180, good not great ND teams will be all we get. That's a fact.

 

[Zorich 88]

Ridiculous! You want consistency over championships? Consistent in what?
Losing big games?
Getting dominated in bowl games?
Being an average to above average team?
So if the standard is strictly stay consistent, then why is ND paying Kelly championship level money? The ND administration is paying and giving Kelly such a big buyout because they want a championship. If you want consistency only then hire a coach for less money. Stop charging such high prices for tickets to simply watch a "consistent" team. So we as fans should never ever expect to be able to say we are #1, no we should only expect to say we are consistent.

 

[NyyorkerND]

Ridiculous! You want consistency over championships? Consistent in what?
Losing big games?
Getting dominated in bowl games?
Being an average to above average team?
So if the standard is strictly stay consistent, then why is ND paying Kelly championship level money? The ND administration is paying and giving Kelly such a big buyout because they want a championship. If you want consistency only then hire a coach for less money. Stop charging such high prices for tickets to simply watch a "consistent" team. So we as fans should never ever expect to be able to say we are #1, no we should only expect to say we are consistent.

Consistent teams win championships. If we are a team that is consistently in the top 15, thats call a trend, and those trends will lead to us hopefully getting a chip one of these years. Ever notice the usual suspects in the top 25, 10, and 5 year in and out they win chips. Not teams that win 8, 6, 4 and 8 etc...

 

[rivals50]

Spoiled? After eight years I can't expect a championship?

you can expect all you want
see chicago cubs expecting every year but getting it after 108 years

 

[NotreDame du Lac]

Gag! FLECK IS A TURD.

 

[IrishMike409]

Impulsive? This happens year after year. This is 8 years in the making. If this was year 1-3 and I made these comments, you definitely can claim impulsive. However, this is almost a decade of Kelly. Anyone can clearly make a judgement on Kelly now.

What was your prediction before the Temple game? Was it 11-1?

 

[88ND]

Stop giving Kelly praise for digging the team out of a 3-9 hole. He's the reason we were 3-9. Does your boss praise you for fixing your mistakes? Hell no! You'd be lucky if he doesn't remind you that he should have fired you for having a piss poor year and only doing 30% of what is expected as a minimum .

Might be the best and most accurate post of this thread.
Suddenly all these people want to kiss ass to the very person who had the disastrous season but then started doing things in a correct way???
What ****ing sense does that make? Boy I sure am glad a coach with two decades experience was able to start having normal results again.

WTF!?!

 

[IrishMike409]

Might be the best and most accurate post of this thread.
Suddenly all these people want to kiss ass to the very person who had the disastrous season but then started doing things in a correct way???
What ****ing sense does that make? Boy I sure am glad a coach with two decades experience was able to start having normal results again.

WTF!?!

Everyone has good and bad years at work. You have a shit year or a shit quarter- then yes, management is happy when you correct it.

 

[NIN Irish]

Everyone has good and bad years at work. You have a shit year or a shit quarter- then yes, management is happy when you correct it.

Its easy to consider Kelly has fallen short of expectations at work in five out seven seasons. The eighth year is still under evaluation, especially after the shit scene last night. Based on these conclusions, unfortunately management seems happy with sub par - mediocre results.

 

[88ND]

Everyone has good and bad years at work. You have a shit year or a shit quarter- then yes, management is happy when you correct it.

OK but the correction is back to....
Mediocrity? Average performance?

Seriously please rate this performance. It's been 8 years and counting.

Do you feel he's doing a great job? Do you feel he's doing a satisfactory job?

Are you OK with doing just OK or do you expect better than just average?

 

[Howard Hall 74]

OK but the correction is back to....
Mediocrity? Average performance?

Seriously please rate this performance. It's been 8 years and counting.

Do you feel he's doing a great job? Do you feel he's doing a satisfactory job?

Are you OK with doing just OK or do you expect better than just average?

I understand your frustration and share it, but I don't agree with how you and many assess "8&4's" performance. I try not to judge people, situations or outcomes on a metric only bar. Wins and losses. Rather, how someone handles disappointments, setbacks and failures really gives you a window into the character and quality of the person and talents. I keep going back to that press conference the day after the Georgia loss and how clearly frustrated and nervous this coach was and how he went-off on one female reporters question. Yeah, dumb question, but how he handled it and the impression it gave. Look, he's been a disappointment since his second year, if not the Tulsa game of his first season. This isn't going to change, get use to him and his being here for a year or two more. That's the sad part. I would have parted ways 2 seasons ago. Ask Swarbrick about that and the extension. Still cannot understand the blind faith this coach has engendered from some of the ND community. That's another story...

 

[spoke8]

If I were an ND fan, I'd root for ND to lose out...John Harbaugh wants the job, and ND wants John.

 

[Toby Smart]

If I were an ND fan, I'd root for ND to lose out...John Harbaugh wants the job, and ND wants John.

Glad you're not a Notre Dame fan.