Well, I think Kizer is a huge drop off from Zaire. He is slow to respond to his progressions, and the read option is useless. I would rather see Wimbush in there. He is much more dynamic. ND will need more out of the QB next week to keep SC off the field.
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So, you're suggesting we start a true freshman QB who has just a little experience against UMass against Southern Cal? Exactly what do you think the odds are of success?
Kizer was thrown in before he was truly ready and has done well. Sure, he doesn't have the speed of Zaire or Wimbush for the read option but there are other aspects of the offense as well. Just look up his QB rating.
I'm one not shy to call it how I see it, even if the criticism is harsh.
Considering the circumstances I'd say Kizer has done an excellent job. His efficiency rating as pointed out is very good for anybody. He may not have the upside of the other two (debatable) but you have to give Kelly and Kizer props as the Zaire injury could have been disastrous. The offense in general has been consistently strong, averaging right around 40 a game.
Next year I say open up the QB competition...that will be very interesting.
Considering the circumstances I'd say Kizer has done an excellent job. His efficiency rating as pointed out is very good for anybody. He may not have the upside of the other two (debatable) but you have to give Kelly and Kizer props as the Zaire injury could have been disastrous. The offense in general has been consistently strong, averaging right around 40 a game.
Next year I say open up the QB competition...that will be very interesting.
Kizer has better stats and more rushing yards than the previous fan fav E. Golson.
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How does a kid process that his coach takes the stance that no matter how he performs he will eventually be benched? How could a coach make such a statement? Btw: I doubt that is the stance taken and message put out there. (edited to include this opinion)
I like MZ. The truth is MZ had started TWO (2) games when DK got his first start.
How in hell can anyone put the label on the team as 'Zaire's team'?
If that is the mindset then that is a stubbornness borne of stupidity.
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How does a kid process that his coach takes the stance that no matter how he performs he will eventually be benched? How could a coach make such a statement? Btw: I doubt that is the stance taken and message put out there. (edited to include this opinion)
I like MZ. The truth is MZ had started TWO (2) games when DK got his first start.
How in hell can anyone put the label on the team as 'Zaire's team'?
If that is the mindset then that is a stubbornness borne of stupidity.
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No one has enough skins on the wall to be considered the entrenched starter. Kizer has an opportunity to cement the job if ND ends up 11-1 and earns a playoff or top tier bowl spot. The ND team is playing elimination football every week and so is Kizer.
The proof will be in the pudding next Saturday. If the offense can manage to not $hit the bed next week against SC, there will be a competition for the job. If the offense (specifically the run) is not effective against a more athletic defense then we say "thank you DK" and go back to the more athletic guy.
My suggestion to you would be to actually watch the game before you start commenting on the game.
I stated the same thing yesterday - I have not seen enough from either MZ or DK to know who's job this is moving forward into next yr .
Just an aside
I watched some of the Fl St game last nite - Golson had one of the best passes I have ever seen - he threw a pass around a defensive tackle into a window on a crossing route . I'm not happy that he left but the kid can throw a football .
Kizer has a ways to go but given the circumstances he's done remarkably well. After nearly leading a huge comeback on the road in a tough environment I wasn't expecting a post like this. As others have pointed out, you don't willy nilly bench a guy that has been developing nicely for a true fr against usc. That's poor coaching plain and simple.
While it is unfortunate Kizer was thrown in early he has shown himself remarkable. The OP is an idiot!
That is all that needs to be said.
That is all that needs to be said.
Silly.
It kills me for Malik. It does. But I'm telling you this, it's a wash comparing those two. While Malik a better runner yes, kizer has a pocket presence above Malik.
Moreover Wimbush might be better than both of them but in present day he would be less competitive because he is not ready yet!
It is nice to have a qb well over the six foot Mark for the first time since Dane freaking Crist, i.e. Golson was very height challenged and Malik , wimbush are not much different. Kizer on the other hand is heavier footed but he is a legit 6' 3".
It kills me for Malik. It does. But I'm telling you this, it's a wash comparing those two. While Malik a better runner yes, kizer has a pocket presence above Malik.
Moreover Wimbush might be better than both of them but in present day he would be less competitive because he is not ready yet!
It is nice to have a qb well over the six foot Mark for the first time since Dane freaking Crist, i.e. Golson was very height challenged and Malik , wimbush are not much different. Kizer on the other hand is heavier footed but he is a legit 6' 3".
All good points above. My original post was more along the lines of a wish, under the best circumstances, rather than an immediate action item in the context of concrete reality. I get it why Kizer is the guy. And, I am willing to accept whatever happens, and hoping for the best. ND must beat SC next week to have any kind of relevance going forward. SC is in chaos right now. Kelly must have the team ready. Some kind of inconsistent effort will not get the job done.
Kizer is ranked 19th in passing efficiency for the FBS. I think he is doing just fine for his experience level.
Granite what remains to be seen is Kizers upside . If he has a significant upside from here it will be very difficult to have him sit next yr . If he doesn't get the starting job I would leave if I were him - nothing personal strictly business .
If ND were to beat SC and Stanford it would be almost impossible to have him sit next yr . It will be interesting to see how Kizer does next week .
BTW - Kudos to coaches Kelly and Sanford working with the kids technique and tailoring a game plan and play calling to allow Kizer to have those kind of passing efficiency numbers
I'd be interested to know if any first yr QB aside form Kizer is in the top 20
Completely delusional. The big question next year will be how Zaire manages his ego as backup to Kizer.
Looks like my comments about your sloppy and incorrect use of the semi-colon have made you clean up your posts and avoid the semi-colon altogether. Excellent.
I like tem both.
Each one has their own qualities.
IMO I think Kizer is a better fit in coach Kelly's offense, but I personally like MZ more.
The game planning may prove to distinguish between Kizer and Zaire. If Zaire comes back with full abilities, he may know the playbook better and be the best option because the game plan could be more developed. Time will tell in all this.
You can check - http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div.
Eric Dungey from Syracuse is at #9 and is listed as a FR while Patrick Mahomes, SO, at Texas Tech is #13; Mahomes did start some games last year as a true FR.
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