Something has to give....

[Java65]

So since it is clear that BK is going to be the head coach of ND in 2017 what is the alternative Java? You can quote reply me too because I would love to hear Perse's perspective on this, although I am going to guess that he will call me an asshole and then be non-responsive. With the decision to keep BK made are we not supposed to sigh, accept it for another year and move on to root for the team we are fans of? Or is it that your are only a true American and a true fan if you let a decision you have no control over ruin an entire year of football for you? The battle was lost, ND didn't listen to fans who wanted BK gone, so what now?

IMO, 2017 is irrelevant in the grand scheme of ND football and my discontent isn't just about Kelly he is just the poster child for what ails ND football... the ND administration. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you realize that changes have to be made so if another 4-8 season in 2017 means that ND will finally enact true changes then I'm ok with that.

I would rather have a terrible season in 2017 and force real changes than win 8 games ever season for the foreseeable future. IMO, the real issue is everyone get on-board and shoot for another mediocre season in 2017 or rage against the system, stop spending money on ND football and try and force some real change. Change in coaching and change in ND policy.

In short I could not care less what happens in 2017, good or bad, because I have 20+ years of evidence to suggest that doing things the way we are will not lead to continued, long term success. Sure we will catch lightning every now and again like we did in 2002, 2005 and 2012 but history has shown us those years are the exception and not the rule.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

So boycott the games, merchandise and media in hopes that enough money lost well effectuate change... I get that perspective and think in theory it is sound but where you lose me is hoping for a terrible season. Sure rebirth and growth come from destruction and to create something great sometimes you have to destroy what was there before it but as a guy who enjoys drinking a beer and eating a pizza while I watch the games on Saturday, I don't think I can go into it hoping my team loses. At that point why be on a message board to talk about the team? Why invest any time or thought into ND football?

 

[Java65]

So boycott the games, merchandise and media in hopes that enough money lost well effectuate change... I get that perspective and think in theory it is sound but where you lose me is hoping for a terrible season. Sure rebirth and growth come from destruction and to create something great sometimes you have to destroy what was there before it but as a guy who enjoys drinking a beer and eating a pizza while I watch the games on Saturday, I don't think I can go into it hoping my team loses. At that point why be on a message board to talk about the team? Why invest any time or thought into ND football?

I'm able to separate hope from what I know will happen. Do I hope ND wins 10-13 games every year and challenge for a NC every year.. I sure do. What I know is that given the current conditions that is an impossibility, ND will never have continued success unless changes happen and I would rather suffer through another dreadful season than through 20 more years of mediocrity.

That said I would much prefer if ND woke up and made the changes of their own volition but I just don't see that happening. Sure chemotherapy and radiation are horrible but if you want to beat cancer it's necessary. Most people do not enjoy exercise but they do it because of the long term benefits.

 

[IrishMike409]

IMO, 2017 is irrelevant in the grand scheme of ND football and my discontent isn't just about Kelly he is just the poster child for what ails ND football... the ND administration. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you realize that changes have to be made so if another 4-8 season in 2017 means that ND will finally enact true changes then I'm ok with that.

I would rather have a terrible season in 2017 and force real changes than win 8 games ever season for the foreseeable future. IMO, the real issue is everyone get on-board and shoot for another mediocre season in 2017 or rage against the system, stop spending money on ND football and try and force some real change. Change in coaching and change in ND policy.

In short I could not care less what happens in 2017, good or bad, because I have 20+ years of evidence to suggest that doing things the way we are will not lead to continued, long term success. Sure we will catch lightning every now and again like we did in 2002, 2005 and 2012 but history has shown us those years are the exception and not the rule.

So "irrelevant" that you're on internet message boards talking about it multiple times per week.

 

[Java65]

So "irrelevant" that you're on internet message boards talking about it multiple times per week.

This doesn't even make sense, when have I posted specifically about the 2017 season? The only time I mention it is to state I could not care less about next seasons record. Good or bad continued success at ND is impossible without change.

 

[perseverare]

Look as I posted before there comes a time when tough love is needed; and since I consider that the current head coach is not a character that should be representing ND and IMO is a disrespectsble despicable sort, then I will not hope for any degree of success for the '17 season.
Disagree? Well answer this, at what point do you say 'enough' and realize regardless of the consequences, a correction or 'judgement' is required and necessary? Would you still be a ND fan if Satan was the head coach? So what degree of 'poor character' do you draw the line at? i have drawn the line.

 

[IrishMike409]

Only a troll or a complete moron would seriously think that Kelly hired people to patrol/control message boards.

Which one are you Pers? Troll or Moron?

 

[Telx1]

IrishMike, maybe we should have an entire thread devoted to the subject of whether Kelly has minions trying to control this message board! Seriously. I used to take Perse to task on his allegations about this before we ignored each other. There were several posters, one in particular (continuously35) who happened to be over the top vulgar, whom Perse always accused being a family member of Kelly, and who he accused of trying to shut down negative Kelly posts. When asked to support the allegation, Perse never had an answer beyond attacking me for asking him to support his claim. Concluded that Perse is simply one of those conspiracy nuts with an unhealthy dose of paranoia. But, several weeks ago when the Board was in full fire Kelly mode, this came up again by others, and I was surprised to read several posts suggesting Kelly has someone on staff tracking what is being posted, and posting pro Kelly arguments. Blew me away to think more than Perse here think something like this is going on. Still think this idea is silly stupid, and yet....?

 

[IrishMike409]

Like I said....anyone who suggests it is trolling, or a total moron.

 

[Pennick44]

Only a troll or a complete moron would seriously think that Kelly hired people to patrol/control message boards.

Which one are you Pers? Troll or Moron?

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Moron. That was confirmed some 29000 posts ago.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Accepting the fact that Kelly will be our coach in 2017 does not make someone an "apologist" for him. That's just dealing with reality.

Having to live life with Trump, or Clinton as president is dealing with reality.
Having Kelly as NDs head coach is a nuisance, but not tragic it's just football

 

[deadirishpoet]

,.........Kelly is a great play caller between the 20's. Maybe the best in the business. I mean that.........

Kelly is not a great play called between the 20s, and nowhere close to the best in the business unless you are talking about the T/O which has probably been the worse stretch in ND history

 

[Pennick44]

Kelly is not a great play called between the 20s, and nowhere close to the best in the business unless you are talking about the T/O which has probably been the worse stretch in ND history

Can you explain this? I don't understand.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Can you explain this? I don't understand.

What don't you understand the definition of great, or the extremely high turnover ratio that has existed under coach Kelly's tenure

 

[Pennick44]

What don't you understand the definition of great, or the extremely high turnover ratio that has existed under coach Kelly's tenure

Thought you meant time outs when you were referring to turnovers.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Thought you meant time outs when you were referring to turnovers.

Lol sorry brother I should of been more clear

 

[Bodizephax]

Having to live life with Trump, or Clinton as president is dealing with reality.
Having Kelly as NDs head coach is a nuisance, but not tragic it's just football

DRIP, You don't live in reality if you still think Clinton is going to be President.

 

[Pennick44]

DRIP, You don't live in reality if you still think Clinton is going to be President.

I still think she has the perfect figure for nose guard. Put her in a uniform and see if she can 2 gap.

 

[deadirishpoet]

DRIP, You don't live in reality if you still think Clinton is going to be President.

Please read better loadi.
I posted having to live life with Trump, OR THAT'S OR Clinton as president is dealing with reality
Geez!

 

[deadirishpoet]

Huma can be a cheerleader.

Well she got rid of her Weiner

 

[Pennick44]

Huma can be a cheerleader.

Can't believe she is separated from the Weiner man? It is very sad.

 

[dagimpper1]

If ND keeps same coach then it needs to do something to get the most phenomenal players.

If it wants to keep its elite standards then you better find a results oriented coach.

Lastly...if the university stops preaching how much they care about football then the above is irrelevant.

But continuing is just a constant forcing square peg in round hole.

Most phenomenal players ? You forget about the 800 pound gorilla in the room....... admissions. The five star kids don't want to go to class and study. They want to major in fb. That's the reality. A great coach could over come that to a degree but most kids are going to choose the path of least resistance.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Most phenomenal players ? You forget about the 800 pound gorilla in the room....... admissions. The five star kids don't want to go to class and study. They want to major in fb. That's the reality. A great coach could over come that to a degree but most kids are going to choose the path of least resistance.

Two 5 star's that have chosen Stanford so far, so it it possible to persuade some

 

[88ND]

Most phenomenal players ? You forget about the 800 pound gorilla in the room....... admissions. The five star kids don't want to go to class and study. They want to major in fb. That's the reality. A great coach could over come that to a degree but most kids are going to choose the path of least resistance.

That was my implication without specifying. I thought you could read between the lines there.

Having said that I don't want to cap such a thing in could another coach using the upper standards win consistently? Yes I mean become elite consistentl... I'm not saying its impossible.

The impact of one talented individual can't be underestimated.

Everyone thought Meyer was a good coach. But I don't think anyone felt he'd have that much success that quickly in OSU.

OSU went from being good to Sabans nemesis in about as fast as it took the ink to dry on Meyers contract.

So could one guy...a results driven talented guy...who is just as passionate recruiting as in game...etc...could that guy bring Notre Dame back?
Maybe.

 

[perseverare]

maybe, but the other issue is, does ND want to be back? This off season seems to answer that question.

So we ole timers had something the next gen of ND fans will never know: national prominence and national supremacy!

 

[88ND]

Kelly is not a great play called between the 20s, and nowhere close to the best in the business unless you are talking about the T/O which has probably been the worse stretch in ND history

Insanity. You even had one of your fellow apologists stop and say...what you talking bout Willis?

I'll add an asterisk to my statement. Brian Kelly is one of the best in the business calling plays between the 20's. *

* provided the weather is optimum because make no mistake he is oblivious to the elements.

One more thing DIP,

So those turnovers you speak of, how many of those are fumbled vs intercepted? There are just as many fumbles between the 20's as interceptions.

So what gives...you say Kelly is NOT a great play caller between the twenties because of those fumbles. OK. If you're going to tie that together then one can only admit that Kelly is a terrible coach because he's obviously not stressing fundamental football ...cough cough...like tackling ❗and ball security.

 

[perseverare]

Sorry, Kelly excels at only one thing: promoting Brian Kelly
He is inept all virtually any coaching related duty.

 

[88ND]

Sorry, Kelly excels at only one thing: promoting Brian Kelly
He is inept all virtually any coaching related duty.

That surely is his bread and butter

 

[perseverare]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-notre-dame-ncaa-violations-21-wins/94292314/

some reading for the guy that is sorry I am a ND fan. (who, btw, had to use an alias as his vehicle; weeny)

Maybe this article is something he can be proud of?

 

[88ND]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...-notre-dame-ncaa-violations-21-wins/94292314/

some reading for the guy that is sorry I am a ND fan.

Maybe this is something he can be proud of?

Ya know...technically he's right.

But he speaks of those things as such a ridiculous pompous ass.

It's pretty amazing the BOT felt the need to hire, keep someone with such a "not me " or not my problem attitude.

Being the head coach of any football team from youth to professional brings along with it many other responsibilities including taking all those trying situations upon your shoulders and in the very least give the perception that you seriously give a **** that something bad happened and you feel terribly sad and concerned to help these young men get better at making the right decisions in life.

Something like that.

Just like tackling on defense....
Not mY thing so it's out if NY hands.


Sincerely,

T H U D

 

[Irish 54]

If ND keeps same coach then it needs to do something to get the most phenomenal players.

If it wants to keep its elite standards then you better find a results oriented coach.

Lastly...if the university stops preaching how much they care about football then the above is irrelevant.

But continuing is just a constant forcing square peg in round hole.

Take a few months off and enjoy men's and women's basketball. Return in the spring with a better attitude.

 

[perseverare]

Well she got rid of her Weiner

she has a wiener? maybe B Jenner's old one?

 

[deadirishpoet]

IMO, 2017 is irrelevant in the grand scheme of ND football and my discontent isn't just about Kelly he is just the poster child for what ails ND football... the ND administration. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you realize that changes have to be made so if another 4-8 season in 2017 means that ND will finally enact true changes then I'm ok with that.

I would rather have a terrible season in 2017 and force real changes than win 8 games ever season for the foreseeable future. IMO, the real issue is everyone get on-board and shoot for another mediocre season in 2017 or rage against the system, stop spending money on ND football and try and force some real change. Change in coaching and change in ND policy.

In short I could not care less what happens in 2017, good or bad, because I have 20+ years of evidence to suggest that doing things the way we are will not lead to continued, long term success. Sure we will catch lightning every now and again like we did in 2002, 2005 and 2012 but history has shown us those years are the exception and not the rule.

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