Indianapolis Cathedral LB has decommitted from ND per Corey Bodden (Adam Gorney).
SIAP: LB Pete Werner Decommits
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swarbrick fiddled.....
It's becoming radioactive in parts of southern cal.
Mater Dei and St John Bosco play again on Saturday. Our crack crew missed their first game and it was our bye week. I guess we can't blame them since both are high octane Catholic schools, half a dozen or so NFL prospects are estimated to be on the field, Mater Dei boasts 2 Heisman winners and one was Huarte.... (If JT Daniels continues his meteoric rise they may get 3...).
Looks like Urban has struck.... It's way way too easy too recruit against us now. Thanks kelly....
This is what I was referring to in earlier posts. A Death Spiral. Choose whatever metaphor you like, the entire program will slowly begin to decay. First will be decommitments, then possible recruits, then the inability to attract quality assistant coaches and finally the erosion of moral in the fan base. The interesting part is watching Swarbrick. He is really up to his ankles with alligators on this one. His Kelly extension is less than a year old. From any objective view point, the Kelly era is over, it's just a matter of time (or money or Swarbrick's reputation) when. An outstanding manager or CEO will see this and act decisively to change the very negative impacts this will have for a number of years going forward. Every year he delays now, in ending the relationship with Kelly, is another 2-3 years in fallout damage to the program. Remember, you lose, or potentially lose, a substantial portion of this recruiting class (meaning some of the more important quality players) and in addition, you will damage the recruiting class next season (if Kelly is then launched) for the first year of a new coach. Maybe a year longer. Swarbrick is on the clock. How good of an AD is - depends on his decision making capability. Personally, I think he's too close to Kelly and cannot pull the trigger to release him even though he knows that's probably the right thing to do. He needs to put the school and program a head of his feelings and the disappointment he causes Kelly, the coaching staff and their families. Swarbrick's fiduciary responsibility is to ND football not himself or Kelly. He has 48 hours. Do it.
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Speaking of Urban... in a few years Harbaugh is going to own O$U and JH is a great example of what coaching can do. Here he is in his 2nd year at UM and he goes toe-to-toe with one of the best programs in the country, in Columbus using the crap that Hoke left him. Once he has a few recruiting classes under his belt watch out!
Interesting -- Harbaugh's team was loaded with upper classmen talent and yes, went toe to toe with OSU/Urban. Urban's OSU team is loaded with freshman/red-shirt freshman and sophs and not a lot of upperclassman. OSU is also about to sign a class that will be on par with what Bama brings in annually. As long as Urban is at OSU, they are going to be a force.
It's too late. If Swarbrick was even decent at his job he would have put out feelers a couple months ago and had 1-3 lined up. He then has a few weeks to talk to guys like Lou, Ara and other contacts to get their opinion and then after USC he pulls the trigger.
Shaw described him to me as, "That crazy tornado of a man." Like him or not he has had an extraordinary career as both a player and coach. He knows exactly what he is doing. He's a force and i hate the thought that he might grow old at um.... I still love this, "Hey' look at them all running in...."
Upperclassman but hardly talent. Hoke didn't do a great job recruiting especially his last couple of years. He really didn't do well along the OL. In 2014 Hoke had a really poor class. In 2015 Harbaugh cut loose a lot of the players Hoke recruited that weren't good and had a very small and poor class. Last year was his first real class.
Like I said, Hoke did not do a great job recruiting.
How do you know he hasn't? If he did, he wouldn't let anyone know (legal reasons) and he, Swarbrick, wouldn't do it. You would see a third party intermediary for the school approach a coach's agent and management firm and discuss a potential relationship. Personally, if he were to make this decision, they have been reaching out to people for the last 4-5 weeks. And probably Kelly's side knows this (Swarbrick discussed this with him) and his side is exploring possible outs. That's the way this works.
Funny stuff. Urban could sit in the stands and out coach Booger from there.
Only at ND. How many other schools, with winning programs, drag their feet on these matters as long as ND does. It's stupid and wrong because it is going to cost recruits. Its just another example of ND being decades behind everyone else because they feel there is some honor in doing things the hard (wrong) way.
AGREE. But their is no honor with having your head in the sand.
For a school the prides itself on being smart - they are very archaic in how they decide and do things.
For some things I get it - but in order to be a top flight football program you need to be more decisive.
Kaindoh, once a damned near unanomous CB to ND them committed to MD has decomitted and ND is not in the picture.
This is what happens whenyou are in a shitstorm and you do nothing. You get covered with it!
This is what happens whenyou are in a shitstorm and you do nothing. You get covered with it!
You guys do realize this happens everywhere, right? Here's a small sampling:
Link: http://michigan.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Decommits
Link: http://usc.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Decommits
Link: http://alabama.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Decommits
Link: http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Decommits
Don't go on acting like it's only happening at Notre Dame.
Link: http://michigan.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Decommits
Link: http://usc.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Decommits
Link: http://alabama.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Decommits
Link: http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Decommits
Don't go on acting like it's only happening at Notre Dame.
how do we know Jack wasnt calling around? And the only hire that i see as not being a lateral hire is Tom Herman. There wasn't the cant miss hire this year. Being decisive is one thing but firing just to fire without a better option doesnt solve the programs troubles.
No, I gave you an example (with facts) that every school has this issue. You choose to ignore facts because it doesn't fit your agenda. So you come back with an insult.
I actually have a life outside of ND football and I don't let some 18 year old kid's decision ruin my day.
bille
I did not read what you posted because I've already read the last post by you.
If you can't learn then there is nothing to be gleaned from you. Your position seems fear based; fear of change and fear of risk and fear of only the most certain situation.
we been there done that; you do it all over again; w/o me to participate in your pissing contest.
I did not read what you posted because I've already read the last post by you.
If you can't learn then there is nothing to be gleaned from you. Your position seems fear based; fear of change and fear of risk and fear of only the most certain situation.
we been there done that; you do it all over again; w/o me to participate in your pissing contest.
UM and JH will develop an exciting rivalry. Football fans are going to be the winners.
Sorry, this is the "too scared to make a change" philosophy. I have no doubts that without exaggerating more than 50 coaches out there that could have won 4 games this year. I also convinced there are at least 20 and probably more, that could win 8 games a year.
Kelly has proven to be a very average football coach so worst case scenario we hire another average coach.
I'll make a gentleman's wager. I bet all of those schools end up with similar or better ranked players at the positions of decommit than ND does. We lost a really good LB and more than likely he'll be replaced with a "project" player.
I'll also wager that ND has a much lower ranked class than all of those schools.
This is all dependent on ND's actions. If they keep Kelly or take forever to fire and replace him than the above will happen.
Java - you're right in your statement about those schools getting better players. I'm not disputing that at all. I'm just saying kids will be kids and they change their minds.
I'm just not going to lose sleep over whether the administration keeps Kelly or takes too long to figure out what to do. We have no control over that. At all.
I'm just not going to lose sleep over whether the administration keeps Kelly or takes too long to figure out what to do. We have no control over that. At all.
if they separated offense / defense recruiting then even the galatically naive would understand how ND got in this situation. All IIO's depth chart projections, which you sunshine pumping posters live to read, a mere list of bodies, could not alter the actual fact that the D was headed in this direction! it still is!
If PJM chooses anyplace but ND, then that would be more evidence that ND will not get the D prospects attention while Kelly is anywhere in proximity of ND!
and that is just made worse by the truth that Kelly is a terrible football coach!
If PJM chooses anyplace but ND, then that would be more evidence that ND will not get the D prospects attention while Kelly is anywhere in proximity of ND!
and that is just made worse by the truth that Kelly is a terrible football coach!
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that there was no decisive plan, especially given the lack of forthrightness by BK and his agent, well that is damned bizarre!
You are absouletly correct about all of that. I'm just frustrated because it's clear Kelly is never going to be a coach that is going to string together 3 or 4 10+ win seasons. I mean it's year 7 and he has yet to win 10+ games in back-to-back seasons. Hell, he's only won 10 games twice in 7 years.
This one hurts. Driskell gave this kid a pretty good review, using terms such as elite athleticism, above average speed. Would hate to see him making plays for OSU next year.
Harbaugh has yet to win any thing of substance. I hope that continues. Meyer and Saban I believe will always be way ahead of Harbaugh.
Go Irish! Fire them all!!!!!!!!!
JH inherited the 2012 class ranked #7 which was loaded with their entire OL this year. 2013 class was ranked #5. 2014 class only had 16 commits but Peppers was in that class. JH had a ton of talent left for him by Hoke when he came on-board. He looses 43 of them this year!
Our administration may quite possibly be the worst in the country. I dont know who runs PR? but they must be the slowest most ill informed group of people in all of college football! On top of that they paid Weis a huge buyout. Kelly possibly, if they do what they should. Who in the F--- is signing off on this? Jenkins? If so just clean house already! Or join the ivy league so us old timers disgusted by your lack of excellence on and off the field can move on.
There is no explantion one can give as to why we are not as competitive as Stanford. Aside from a lame duck coach. For gods sake dont reference this yr. to counter! We as a fanbase would gladly trade our 7 yr. records! At least if we had Shaw and a RB avg. 11 a carry we know his identity! He would POUND it to the tune of more than 17 times that game. He wouldnt suddenly start slinging the rock!
There is no explantion one can give as to why we are not as competitive as Stanford. Aside from a lame duck coach. For gods sake dont reference this yr. to counter! We as a fanbase would gladly trade our 7 yr. records! At least if we had Shaw and a RB avg. 11 a carry we know his identity! He would POUND it to the tune of more than 17 times that game. He wouldnt suddenly start slinging the rock!
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