Should ND have out of state FB camps just like UMich is doing?
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Kelly has said that getting recruits on campus is its greatest recruiting tool. The off campus satellite camps wouldn't do Notre Dame justice. They want recruits to experience the Feel of The ND campus.
HARBAUGH is getting in the face time with recruits and is impressing them; he is out there throwing passes and catching balls and just becoming a known guy to them ( not sure if he is keeping his shirt on); it is working for UM. Urban? He just needs 2-3 minutes with his 'snake oil' pitch.
When a school has as many hurdles as ND it would behoove the recruiting effort to max out the possible opportunities to impress recruits . Commit to the prospects and they will commit to you.
an opinion from someone who doesn't have the first clue of how the process works especially in this day and age. yikes !
I don't think there is a silver bullet.
Get them on campus, and have satellite campus events. In today's world, every possible chance you have to spend time with a recruit should be used. Where ND / Michigan / Ohio State might get a day or two with some of the these recruits. They are living in a part of the country that places a priority on keeping them local.
Get them on campus, and have satellite campus events. In today's world, every possible chance you have to spend time with a recruit should be used. Where ND / Michigan / Ohio State might get a day or two with some of the these recruits. They are living in a part of the country that places a priority on keeping them local.
^ yes that was insightful from the resident 'legend in his own mind'!
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sorry but your opinion is clearly uninformed. I live the recruiting process year in and year out with our kids and other kids in my section of the state. to assume that nd is somehow missing out or lagging behind because they don't have off campus camps is just silly and shows you DON'T understand the process. if you find that insulting I can't help that. if someone called my opinion on something I wasn't knowledgable about uninformed I wouldn't find it insulting. it would be true. harbaugh is doing what he thinks is in his programs best interest. that's his job. no need to goosestep.
I think in states that have a lot of Catholic high schools that are spread out (New York? NJ?) it would be a natural fit. Also maybe hold them in states where you don't have a strong presence (GA, LA?).
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
You would be dead on about Georgia. ND is holding a recruiting camp at Georgia State this year.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
So you are telling a poster to stick his head up his a$$ but you are calling posters out for insulting other posters? Classic Perse !
How is it working for Michigan? Who is the name they have won by having the Sat camps?
Oye! I am not your secretary; recruits have commented that they had not given UM consideration till the camps.
You can find out if you wish.
You can find out if you wish.
Take your ball and go home. You have been going on and on about these sat camps and you said "they are working for Michigan"... they may be working for Michigan but so far they haven't produced any results. If you think they have produced enough results to demonstrate that they are working I would love to hear about these results.
and you can be sure of that because the recruits who you spoke to say that the camp was pointless?
name Sal? be specific?
we would like to know and I am sure UM's administration would like to know how their $ is being waisted
See it doesn't work that way. I am not the one making declarations. It would if I were saying the camps don't work. Because I am saying it's too early to tell how much impact the camps I am filling open to the reality that they well be helpful. But saying already they have worked when there is no name they can point to yet and say this dude is coming because of the say camps.
February is a long ways off. And the effect of holding these camps will rise over the years.
Not every school has a name or a coach who can attract kids from other states. ND does though, and it seems like you would be wasting an opportunity to not give it a shot. Just my $.02.
Sal
the way it works in the real world is you don't get to make the rules.
To propose that the camps do not get the UM program out there to interest recruits who otherwise could not be reached ...geez...not gonna even get into such a preposturous discussion.
But think back a few post; what exactly did I say about sat-camps and the effectiveness?
And I mentioned Jr. days too; and I did not limit it to UM. u did. How is MSU doing?
you gotta do better.
the way it works in the real world is you don't get to make the rules.
To propose that the camps do not get the UM program out there to interest recruits who otherwise could not be reached ...geez...not gonna even get into such a preposturous discussion.
But think back a few post; what exactly did I say about sat-camps and the effectiveness?
And I mentioned Jr. days too; and I did not limit it to UM. u did. How is MSU doing?
you gotta do better.
I didnt make up the rules of logic. But Great strawman. No one said the sat camps weren't working just that it was too early to say they were working for Michigan
the results may be results in the future. Relationship are what recruiting is all about.
These camps cannot hurt; even if the jury is out as to the real effectivness.
ND has had fewer camps and has been later forming relationships in'16. tOSU and MSU and UM have had several camps to date. All are doing pretty well recruiting.
AND if the argument is they been winning, well we have threads here that ND has the greatest coach they have had in 30 years!
Come on; somthing is not consistant; These camps could have helped; a couple Jr. days also.
And for the 'slow':
I have repeatedly stated that it only takes a DL kid or two like "Kelly" to turn the whole perception of the class around. But if that does not happen then hindsight will focus on the points made.
This board's posters will be the ones citing those issues.
How in heck does one get bent out of shape with these ideas?
These camps cannot hurt; even if the jury is out as to the real effectivness.
ND has had fewer camps and has been later forming relationships in'16. tOSU and MSU and UM have had several camps to date. All are doing pretty well recruiting.
AND if the argument is they been winning, well we have threads here that ND has the greatest coach they have had in 30 years!
Come on; somthing is not consistant; These camps could have helped; a couple Jr. days also.
And for the 'slow':
I have repeatedly stated that it only takes a DL kid or two like "Kelly" to turn the whole perception of the class around. But if that does not happen then hindsight will focus on the points made.
This board's posters will be the ones citing those issues.
How in heck does one get bent out of shape with these ideas?
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The results speak for themselves: ND 0 Michigan 7
Make it seven for Michigan football.
Amid a June full of camps, the Wolverines secured their seventh 2016 commitment of the month today when tight end Sean Mckeon announced his pledge on Twitter.
Make it seven for Michigan football.
Amid a June full of camps, the Wolverines secured their seventh 2016 commitment of the month today when tight end Sean Mckeon announced his pledge on Twitter.
Most of the recent michigan commits if ND got then this early in the cycle would be disappointments because of our #s.
Perse the thing is I don't think anyone is really arguing that point with you yet you feel you need to make it over and over again. Junior days and relationships take time, yes you are correct but that's not going to happy right away when you get 4 new coaches. They only place we got crossways was you definitively saying the camps were working for Michigan and I don't think you can make that argument yet.
Perse the thing is I don't think anyone is really arguing that point with you yet you feel you need to make it over and over again. Junior days and relationships take time, yes you are correct but that's not going to happy right away when you get 4 new coaches. They only place we got crossways was you definitively saying the camps were working for Michigan and I don't think you can make that argument yet.
the problem is that you want immediate gratification; sometimes the benefits can be extended or delayed into the future. You impress kids and build relationships; even with local coaches that will possibly bear fruit in the future.
I mean that goes both ways right? You want immediate gratification of relationship and camps set up but ND does have camps just not as many as other schools and relationships aren't built over night. ND coaches have already passed 250,000 mi traveled collectively this cycle, doesn't that build relationships as well?
I'm pretty indifferent as to ND having out of state camps. Bottom line, if the staff and a recruit can have a mutual interest in each other, then the recruit will find a way to get to ND, so he can make a solid decision. Even if we ran camps in every state across the mainland, it doesn't mean anything, if a recruit isn't interested and never takes a visit to ND. Yes, by having camps we might spark an interest in someone every once in awhile, but I think you'd be exhausting your resources.
I find it amazing that people on an ND message board who presumably follow ND football aren't even aware that ND and GA State announced over 1 year ago that they'd be doing a satellite camp together this summer. Then, to make matters worse, there are a number of respondents who think ND shouldn't do them. Huh? Kelly is holding these camps. ND announced theirs a year before Harbaugh was even hired at UM. Coach James Franklin at Penn Sate held these same camps in 2014. This is not a new phenomenon. The issue is only getting attention now because it's Harbaugh. Funny how neither Saban nor Mullen made a peep about the camps until UM's 2015 summer swarm. The camps are a great idea primarily because they are good for the kids. They will proliferate even further in the coming years and will force the SEC and ACC to abandon their self imposed bans.
Thanks Romulator for the drive by but..
1. It has been mentioned a # of times that there is a camp at GA st. this year...
2. Not sure where you are getting that there is number of people saying ND shouldn't do them...
1. It has been mentioned a # of times that there is a camp at GA st. this year...
2. Not sure where you are getting that there is number of people saying ND shouldn't do them...
building relationships with kids and coaches have and will continue to be done without satellite camps. you insinuate that nd is somehow missing the boat. hardly.
