Rich Alumni Will Unite

[NotreDame du Lac]

its time to put the pressure on so we do not have to endure a mid year fire like LSU did.

If the Alumni love ND the way I believe they do, I can't see how they won't mwke that money talk.

OSU and UM are going to continue blowing past us as the dominant Midwest programs and not look back. If something isn't resolved soon we are doomed. Recruiting will fizzle, expectations will plummet, and we won't get a home run hire until 2026 and then the rebuilding phase will begin. ND will become nothing for a decade the way UM was unless changes happen soon. There's still time. ND is relevant in recent memory. We have talented kids and the worst had not arrived. Rewrite history and intervene now before the storm gets out of control.

 

[Classic Irish]

its time to put the pressure on so we do not have to endure a mid year fire like LSU did.

If the Alumni love ND the way I believe they do, I can't see how they won't mwke that money talk.

OSU and UM are going to continue blowing past us as the dominant Midwest programs and not look back. If something isn't resolved soon we are doomed. Recruiting will fizzle, expectations will plummet, and we won't get a home run hire until 2026 and then the rebuilding phase will begin. ND will become nothing for a decade the way UM was unless changes happen soon. There's still time. ND is relevant in recent memory. We have talented kids and the worst had not arrived. Rewrite history and intervene now before the storm gets out of control.

Who are the realistic potential candidates for the position who would take the job (and no, Meyer, Saban, Harbaugh, Shaw, Fleck, Miles, Leach, Petrino, Tressel, or Chip Kelly for one reason or another are not realistic)? And anyone lacking college head coaching experience is a non-starter, too.

 

[NotreDame du Lac]

Who are the realistic potential candidates for the position who would take the job (and no, Meyer, Saban, Harbaugh, Shaw, Fleck, Miles, Leach, Petrino, Tressel, or Chip Kelly for one reason or another are not realistic)? And anyone lacking college head coaching experience is a non-starter, too.

You cannot say for a fact that anyone is unrealistic unless he is dead. I think out of your list the only likely interest in the job would come from Fleck or Miles. Both are either looking for a job or a promotion. Fleck would be a better pick, but he's risky. There are no great coaches looking for jobs. This could be part of Jacks thought process going into next season. He might be holding out for a better fm hire. I just think if he's going to fire BK it should be this year unless there is something in the works behind the scenes. Jack is no dummy.

 

[perseverare]

Jack signed a dummy to a 6 year extension.

 

[Classic Irish]

You cannot say for a fact that anyone is unrealistic unless he is dead. I think out of your list the only likely interest in the job would come from Fleck or Miles. Both are either looking for a job or a promotion. Fleck would be a better pick, but he's risky. There are no great coaches looking for jobs. This could be part of Jacks thought process going into next season. He might be holding out for a better fm hire. I just think if he's going to fire BK it should be this year unless there is something in the works behind the scenes. Jack is no dummy.

You're living in fantasyland if you think those names are realistic. You may as well believe in the Easter Bunny if you think Saban, Meyer, et al are realistic. And ND is never going to hire someone with NCAA baggage like Chip Kelly or Jim Tressel. To suggest otherwise is utter nonsense.

As far as Fleck, if you think ND would hire someone who's on his second marriage at age 35 and is reputed to be a philanderer, then you know nothing about ND. Les Miles? You do know that he hates ND, right? Again, throwing out random names without knowing their backgrounds just makes you look ignorant.

 

[perseverare]

your guy is a lame, lame duck! give it up. If he gets another job, hell Weis got a few, then we know you will pack up and leave this forum to follow him!

we call that a win win!

 

[Legendsteve]

Bob Diaco. Pat Narduzzi. Either would be fine,

 

[Classic Irish]

Bob Diaco. Pat Narduzzi. Either would be fine,

Yeah, Diaco and his 3-7 record this season makes a lot of sense. Read more and post less.

 

[IrishBlessings]

Jack signed a dummy to a 6 year extension.

Spot on Perse.

 

[Nocalirish]

Greg Schiano is what ND needs.

 

[end_23]

Bob Diaco. Pat Narduzzi. Either would be fine,

Huh?

 

[Legendsteve]

Classic. Same record as Kelly. His defense took ND to the NC in 2012. Young and dynamic. Knows ND. Think more, post less.

 

[Java65]

Yeah, Diaco and his 3-7 record this season makes a lot of sense. Read more and post less.

Ara was 5-4 at Northwestern the season before he took over at ND. Lou was 4-7 and 6-5 (crap bowl win pushed him above .500) his 2 years at Minnesota. Devine was 5-6 his last year at Missouri (granted that was in '70 before going to Green Bay) his last year at Green Bay he was 6-8

 

[VirginiaWildcat]

Classic. Same record as Kelly. His defense took ND to the NC in 2012. Young and dynamic. Knows ND. Think more, post less.

I don't see you throwing out any names...

 

[Classic Irish]

Ara was 5-4 at Northwestern the season before he took over at ND. Lou was 4-7 and 6-5 (crap bowl win pushed him above .500) his 2 years at Minnesota. Devine was 5-6 his last year at Missouri (granted that was in '70 before going to Green Bay) his last year at Green Bay he was 6-8

Wow, I'm shocked that this even needs to be explained, but here goes: Ara, Devine, and Lou had years of prior head coaching experience and success at multiple places prior to their stints at ND. This is Diaco's third season as a HC and he's 3-7. His first two years were 2-10 and 6-7. Try doing some research before making silly assertions.

 

[zonairish]

Ara was 5-4 at Northwestern the season before he took over at ND. Lou was 4-7 and 6-5 (crap bowl win pushed him above .500) his 2 years at Minnesota. Devine was 5-6 his last year at Missouri (granted that was in '70 before going to Green Bay) his last year at Green Bay he was 6-8

Java, I do not think Diaco would be chosen or even interviewed. I think he needs more HC success at other schools . Yes, the examples you posted are good . ARA was coaching in a time where players at northwestern played both ways and they had no budget to have for more than 25 players at Northwestern. That is what made him special. He had low talent NW team play and no player depth. So early in the season he would win latter when the injuries cumulated he lost. Are was special. Diaco may get there but he is not there yet. Right now his teams have low talent and are not winning unlike ARA

 

[Java65]

Wow, I'm shocked that this even needs to be explained, but here goes: Ara, Devine, and Lou had years of prior head coaching experience and success at multiple places prior to their stints at ND. This is Diaco's third season as a HC and he's 3-7. His first two years were 2-10 and 6-7. Try doing some research before making silly assertions.

I agree with you completely for the reason you stated, he doesn't have enough experience. The original argument was he shouldn't be hired because of his record and, IMO, his record is meaningless I don't care if he is 10-0.

 

[Java65]

Java, I do not think Diaco would be chosen or even interviewed. I think he needs more HC success at other schools . Yes, the examples you posted are good . ARA was coaching in a time where players at northwestern played both ways and they had no budget to have for more than 25 players at Northwestern. That is what made him special. He had low talent NW team play and no player depth. So early in the season he would win latter when the injuries cumulated he lost. Are was special. Diaco may get there but he is not there yet. Right now his teams have low talent and are not winning unlike ARA

Agree. See my post above. I don't think Diaco should be hired because he doesn't have enough experience. The other poster argued he shouldn't be hired because he is 3-7 which is pointless, IMO.

 

[Classic Irish]

I agree with you completely for the reason you stated, he doesn't have enough experience. The original argument was he shouldn't be hired because of his record and, IMO, his record is meaningless I don't care if he is 10-0.

Sorry if I misunderstood you.

 

[T-bob75]

Matt Rhule Temple

Bryan Harsin Boise State

Jeff Brohm Western Kentucky

 

[Java65]

Sorry if I misunderstood you.

No worries. I just keep hearing names like Diaco and Fleck thrown around and while I don't think they are bad coaches, I just don't think ND is a place for a young coach with little HC experience.

 

[twalsh]

No worries. I just keep hearing names like Diaco and Fleck thrown around and while I don't think they are bad coaches, I just don't think ND is a place for a young coach with little HC experience.

It's not.

 

[ivan brunetti]

If ND is willing to pay Kelly's buy out and another $10 million/year, ND might be able to get someone like Sean Payton.

 

[Classic Irish]

Matt Rhule Temple

Bryan Harsin Boise State

Jeff Brohm Western Kentucky

No thanks.

 

[zonairish]

No thanks.

I like Matt Ruhle as a possibility . Do not know too much about the other men

 

[perseverare]

hire Harbaugh! the other one with the SB ring! not the 2nd pick! (did I say 'pick')

 

[rgc7]

Tough for us to throw out realistic names, but this season is cetainly down the tubes. Fire Kelly now !
evaluate the people on the present staff. Hudson is certainly an improvement over BVG.
Lou had Davie and Urban ( not sure if Urban ) was still there when Holtz resigned, but Just think
what might have been is ND offered
Urban instead if Davie.
So if ND has no one out there at this time, and assuming that there is someone on the current staff
that stands out, what do we lose, Give the guy a one year contract with extension incentives based upon
merit. Can we be any worse off than we are today?

 

[Telx1]

Of course the challenge is finding someone you are confident will be better than Kelly and reignite the passion for ND. The few coaches that I really like don't appear to be interested, principally Petersen at Washington and Chryst at Wisconsin. Mullen at Miss St or MacIntyre at Colorado are kind of the next tier of up and coming coaches that might be good fits. I actually find the idea of Coach Niumatalolo of Navy intriguing. I have been ambivalent about the coaching salary, but have finally come to the realization that the ND cache is not strong enough to get the best available coach any given year. Given the challenges and demands and pressure that are somewhat unique to ND, I agree with those that say we should be paying absolutely top dollar to attract the best coach possible, and the Admin should pull its sanctimonious head out of the sand and accept that paying top dollar is not a source of shame or conflict with the academic goals of the university.

 

[T-bob75]

Imo, Notre Dame is to the point where they need to do as Ivan suggests and pony up. Its really the only viable option. After 20 years of kicking it around in the 2nd tier its time to get serious. No one is going to come to ND for the prestige anymore. The only way ND is going to get a tier 1 coach is $$$. Sorry folks, that probably isnt going to happen.
Notre Dame pays Kelly $1,624,730. Harbaugh gets 9 mill. I know that Kelly gets more than that but its still a problem. Is Notre Dame really so pompous that they need to hide salaries? Anyway, since paying big $$$ is most likely not to happen there really is only 1 other option.

That option is NOT to retain Kelly. Saying "who else are we going to get" is a losers mentality. The option is to try and find an up and comer. I would throw out all assitants as a possiblilty. Notre Dame definitly needs someone with head coaching experience. However, I dont think they need 26 years ala Kelly. Meyer only had 4 years head coaching experience when he took the Florida job. Harbaugh had 2 years when hired at Stanford. Saban had 5 years when hired at LSU. Once a guy has had success at multiple schools he is now a tier 1 coach. I don't see those coaches being a viable option.

 

[Java65]

Imo, Notre Dame is to the point where they need to do as Ivan suggests and pony up. Its really the only viable option. After 20 years of kicking it around in the 2nd tier its time to get serious. No one is going to come to ND for the prestige anymore. The only way ND is going to get a tier 1 coach is $$$. Sorry folks, that probably isnt going to happen.
Notre Dame pays Kelly $1,624,730. Harbaugh gets 9 mill. I know that Kelly gets more than that but its still a problem. Is Notre Dame really so pompous that they need to hide salaries? Anyway, since paying big $$$ is most likely not to happen there really is only 1 other option.

That option is NOT to retain Kelly. Saying "who else are we going to get" is a losers mentality. The option is to try and find an up and comer. I would throw out all assitants as a possiblilty. Notre Dame definitly needs someone with head coaching experience. However, I dont think they need 26 years ala Kelly. Meyer only had 4 years head coaching experience when he took the Florida job. Harbaugh had 2 years when hired at Stanford. Saban had 5 years when hired at LSU. Once a guy has had success at multiple schools he is now a tier 1 coach. I don't see those coaches being a viable option.

While I agree with you that part has been proven false many times now. Kelly makes between 4 and 4.5 mil per season.

 

[MTIrish98]

Make the Irish fight again!

Craig Bohl for HC! I'm with Him -->>>

 

[T-bob75]

While I agree with you that part has been proven false many times now. Kelly makes between 4 and 4.5 mil per season.

I understand Java however its not guaranteed. The downside to the contract is Kelly has to spend time doing appearances and other extra curricular activities to make his money. It takes focus off the task at hand coaching. On the bright side Kelly's buy out should only be in the 10 million range (5 years @ 2 per). So if you are a tier 1 coach would you want 5 million a year guaranteed or 2 plus insentives?

 

[Classic Irish]

I like Matt Ruhle as a possibility . Do not know too much about the other men

Matt Rhule is in his fourth year as a head coach, all of which have been at one program, Temple. Any potential ND head coach needs more experience than four years as head coach at only one program. Al Golden did quite well at Temple and then was fired as Miami's head coach. There are countless examples of head coaches who did well at their initial stop, only to fail on a bigger stage. Maybe Rhule will be a possibility down the road, but not at this point. He's also a Penn State alum, so he may be hoping for that job to open up down the road.

Jeff Brohm is in his third season as a head coach, all of which have been at Western Kentucky. Bryan Harsin is in his fourth year as a head coach: one year at Arkansas State and three at Boise State. Again, ND's job requires more experience. It's ironic that some of the same people ripping on Kelly (not saying he doesn't deserve it) are advocating for coaches with limited experience when Kelly had much more head coaching experience and success prior to coming to ND than any of these other folks.

 

[Java65]

I understand Java however its not guaranteed. The downside to the contract is Kelly has to spend time doing appearances and other extra curricular activities to make his money. It takes focus off the task at hand coaching. On the bright side Kelly's buy out should only be in the 10 million range (5 years @ 2 per). So if you are a tier 1 coach would you want 5 million a year guaranteed or 2 plus insentives?

I still don't think that is correct. I'm fairly certain his salary at ND is in the 4 mil range. The real answer is nobody knows because ND doesn't release coaches salaries.

Like I've said before I'm fairly confident he makes more than 1.6. Hell, he isn't stupid, he could go to a place like Purdue, Wash St, NC State and make more money with less pressure. That 1.6 came out of the USA Today I believe and I think it's way off.

 

[T-bob75]

Classic I was all for the Kelly hire. He had some moderate success but now I think he's finished. Head coaching experience is great but it shouldn't be the only factor when considering a head coach. All coaching experience, success, coaching tree are all other things to be considered. I'm not saying any of those guys i listed should be hired just considered. However, if it came down to it I would most probably go with any one of those 3 over Kelly right now.

 

[zonairish]

Matt Rhule is in his fourth year as a head coach, all of which have been at one program, Temple. Any potential ND head coach needs more experience than four years as head coach at only one program. Al Golden did quite well at Temple and then was fired as Miami's head coach. There are countless examples of head coaches who did well at their initial stop, only to fail on a bigger stage. Maybe Rhule will be a possibility down the road, but not at this point. He's also a Penn State alum, so he may be hoping for that job to open up down the road.

Jeff Brohm is in his third season as a head coach, all of which have been at Western Kentucky. Bryan Harsin is in his fourth year as a head coach: one year at Arkansas State and three at Boise State. Again, ND's job requires more experience. It's ironic that some of the same people ripping on Kelly (not saying he doesn't deserve it) are advocating for coaches with limited experience when Kelly had much more head coaching experience and success prior to coming to ND than any of these other folks.

I understand your logic. It is very sound on this issue. It really comes down to can the new coach do it the Notre Dame way and compete on the national stage. I think it will be difficult to get a named commodity that has done it before. So if they fire kelly our choices may not be as great as we would like.

 

[T-bob75]

Java, I believe you are correct that he makes 4 million plus but I don't think it comes directly from ND is all I'm saying. I'm sure it was made known to him that he would make more than 1.6. My guess is Under Armor and NBC are primary contributers.

 

[Classic Irish]

I understand your logic. It is very sound on this issue. It really comes down to can the new coach do it the Notre Dame way and compete on the national stage. I think it will be difficult to get a named commodity that has done it before. So if they fire kelly our choices may not be as great as we would like.

That's exactly my point. I'm not defending Kelly's coaching job this season---in fact I thinks it's been awful. But I just don't see a realistic candidate out there--at least at this point---who would be an improvement. Again, I think all of this is moot since I'm virtually certain Kelly will be back next season.

 

[bill_surfs]

Peterson! No brainer.

 

[T-bob75]

That's exactly my point. I'm not defending Kelly's coaching job this season---in fact I thinks it's been awful. But I just don't see a realistic candidate out there--at least at this point---who would be an improvement. Again, I think all of this is moot since I'm virtually certain Kelly will be back next season.

So how long do you wait? Just go with the flow till someone magically appears that checks all the boxes and wants to come to ND? Imo, if Notre Dame loses to Army there is no way Kelly keeps his job.