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When BK had the chance to give Phil any real minutes, he didn't, but, Phil will go to his next program highly trained at handing the ball off. BK, the developer of QBs. We don't know what practice was like since none of us, including the media, has been there since Fall camp.
His throwing motion was definitely talked about. Then he struggled at the Army game. He may have lost his confidence at some point and it then got even worseI am assuming Brendon Clark will be the #2. Brendon spent all of last season on the scout team, learning the opponent's plays. He was very good at it but he is coming in, one play away, from taking over the offense with little experience. BK went crazy on signing day talking up Phil as the best QB he had ever seen. Those are his words. He went further on saying he would match Phil up against anyone. Look at Phil's recruitment list. High end. No one talked about his throwing motion then. IF he had this issue, it happened under BKs watch . If Phil was the best QB BK ever saw, why didn't BK and his staff develop him as such? Talk about the two recruits who had zero contact with BK and now this. What the hell is going on over there?
Plenty of great coaches miss on recruiting quarterbacks, even Saban. Not every player pans out. There's tons of QB misses throughout the years, much much better than Phil. More highly rated recruits have failed than Phil. It happens. It happens everywhere. And just because a school offers, doesnt make everyone committable. Some schools offer multiple qbs but slow play them waiting for the one they really want. You cant just go by oh so and so offered. Its not really puzzling at all. It happens all the time at every schoolIf his throwing motion was talked about during his recruitment period, up until signing day, why would BK call him the best QB he has ever seen? I'm not a recruiting junkie, but I never read or heard anything about his throwing motion. Did any of the top recruiting analyst say anything? Apparently, if there was an issue, it didn't freak out Saban or any of these other great top programs. Puzzling.
I know the typical “oh you can’t judge how a player performs in an all star game or the spring game” but people act like it’s not a data point.His throwing motion was definitely talked about. Then he struggled at the Army game. He may have lost his confidence at some point and it then got even worse
In his limited minutes he had a rating of over 206, which is 2 points higher than the record. Obviously that was only 18 passing attempts & less than 15 rushing attempts. But he did well when he did play & deserved more minutes in blowouts.
The entire defense BK said for the reason Phil didn’t play more was he needed more game action. Which of course doesn’t even make sense, because he can’t get real game experience unless he plays. So it’s a circle. When Phil did play in games you can’t say he didn’t perform well. 12-16 222 yards. 2 TDs 0 INTs. 130 yards rushing on 12 attempts. QB rating over 200.
Strange. Isn't it. "No man is hated more than the man who tells the truth". BK hovered over Ian as if it was his son and he was protecting the position for him. We all support Ian 100%. He's just trying to develop and play his best. The discussion is not about him as a person or player. It's about Phil, BK, Long, and to a lesser extent, Rees. Oh well. What is done, is done. Let's give our total support to Ian and Brendon and our newbies coming in."The entire defense BK said for the reason Phil didn’t play more was he needed more game action. Which of course doesn’t even make sense, because he can’t get real game experience unless he plays"
You hit the nail on the head! There were many games where Phil could have gotten in a lot of "game time" reps and run the offense. Kelly always talks about depth, but at the QB position, he seems hesitant to allow for it. Will be curious to see if Clark garners time this fall
Kizer was 3rd string for his first spring game and not even in the picture going into 2015 season. Golson and Zaire were in a 2 QB battle spring 2015, then zaire got it and golson transferred. With that said, Phil looked way worse than kizer did, and that's saying something. Phil got a lot of reps in the spring last year.Kizer also looked bad in the Spring game. Plenty have. Some looked as advertised. Spring games go way way back and out of all those games, there have been more than a few surprises that have gone both ways. None of us know if Phil was developed. None of us know how he performed at practice over the past four months, including the media. He did not look like a fumbling bumbling idiot when the few times he was given an opportunity. I've read all the opinions here and other sites. I've listened to "insiders" on various outlets. I stand by my opinion that I support Ian and I don't know what went on behind the scenes with Phil. I hope Brendon Clark gets himself prepped for hand off duties when the 2020 season starts. He's one play away.
Yes and No..... Sunday through Friday gets you the opportunity, then how you play on Saturday's ultimately decide your PT. I guarantee if ND loses to Vtech and book doesn't play awesome the last few minutes we're having completely different conversations right now. Book would have played 2 absolutely awful games in a row, and all hopes of a good season would have been over. I don't think Book would have recovered and Phil would have gotten more PT.playing time on Saturday is determined by the effort and performance displayed on the practice field and in the meeting room Sunday through Friday. end of story.
Were some of us know nothings laughable for wanting to see what Book had when Wimbush was struggling heavily early last year? The fact is, throughout BK’s tenure, the backup qb HAS often times been the better performing qb, because BK has never developed a starter to reach that next level of performance. That doesn’t automatically mean that PJ would have performed better than Book, but BK’s track record gives some credence to that theory.I love it when a bunch of no nothings on this board continually preach there knowledge of personnel, and who should play when and where. It's flat out laughable to read this crap. Coaches are paid boatloads of money to win, they are with the players everyday, and they play the player who support the best chance to win. Yet idiots on this board know more. Just laughable
of course you have to perform. my point was that playing time is earned and shouldn't be handed out without merit.Yes and No..... Sunday through Friday gets you the opportunity, then how you play on Saturday's ultimately decide your PT. I guarantee if ND loses to Vtech and book doesn't play awesome the last few minutes we're having completely different conversations right now. Book would have played 2 absolutely awful games in a row, and all hopes of a good season would have been over. I don't think Book would have recovered and Phil would have gotten more PT.
Point is, there's standards during the week, but even if you meet them doesn't mean you get PT.
well said. agree that the Driskell effect is in full force in the other discussion. take that with a grain of salt.As a fan who felt Book’s ceiling wasn’t high enough to take us to the playoffs, I wanted to see Phil on the field to gauge his upside. That said, I expect Kelly to put the QB on the field that gives us the best chance to win, and Kelly and Long and Rees believed that to be Book. Stories of Phil treated unfairly largely emanate from our prior moderator who left Rivals, who shared the view that Book’s limitations warranted Phil being given meaningful playing time. Kelly and Long weren’t going to change the entire offense to take advantage of Phil’s strengths at the expense of the short to intermediate passing game, and I think Phil came to accept this, thus his decision to transfer. Not at all sure about these stories of being thrown under the bus, beyond the reality of the situation playing out.
Personally, I feel we needed the combination of their strengths to have a QB capable of beating Georgia and Michigan this past season; but absent this, Kelly went with the one who could better execute their desired offense with limited turnovers, with his limitations on full display against the better opponents. But hope runs eternal, and here’s hoping that Book has one more leap in his level of performance, and steps up and wins next year’s big stage games.
Book was good enough to beat Georgia this past year, as was the entire ND team. I honestly think we win if we'd play'd in a bowl game, I didn't feel that was in athens. Book was just NOT ready at all to beat a good defense.As a fan who felt Book’s ceiling wasn’t high enough to take us to the playoffs, I wanted to see Phil on the field to gauge his upside. That said, I expect Kelly to put the QB on the field that gives us the best chance to win, and Kelly and Long and Rees believed that to be Book. Stories of Phil treated unfairly largely emanate from our prior moderator who left Rivals, who shared the view that Book’s limitations warranted Phil being given meaningful playing time. Kelly and Long weren’t going to change the entire offense to take advantage of Phil’s strengths at the expense of the short to intermediate passing game, and I think Phil came to accept this, thus his decision to transfer. Not at all sure about these stories of being thrown under the bus, beyond the reality of the situation playing out.
Personally, I feel we needed the combination of their strengths to have a QB capable of beating Georgia and Michigan this past season; but absent this, Kelly went with the one who could better execute their desired offense with limited turnovers, with his limitations on full display against the better opponents. But hope runs eternal, and here’s hoping that Book has one more leap in his level of performance, and steps up and wins next year’s big stage games.
I tend to agree. Thought we played the third Qtr not to lose, rather than to win. His play on the last drive that ran out of time was outstanding, but I also appreciate that the defense was playing off our receivers to keep everything in front of them. I tend to avoid the IF scenarios because there are so many variables.Book was good enough to beat Georgia this past year, as was the entire ND team. I honestly think we win if we'd play'd in a bowl game, I didn't feel that was in athens. Book was just NOT ready at all to beat a good defense.
I tend to agree. Thought we played the third Qtr not to lose, rather than to win. His play on the last drive that ran out of time was outstanding, but I also appreciate that the defense was playing off our receivers to keep everything in front of them. I tend to avoid the IF scenarios because there are so many variables.
I don't think you can compare Russell Wilson to this situation. Russell had a very good career at NC State before transferring from NC State to Wisconsin. He already demonstrated that he was a very good quarterback at NC State. Phil left ND for his own reasons without making much a mark of any kind. We'll just have to wait and see where he goes and how he develops over the coming years.After reading the comments on the thread about Phil J. Transferring. Remember playing time is based on performance not stars or recruiting rankings. Is Phil the next Russell Wilson or the next Hunter Johnson. Time will tell.