OT LIV golf kicks arse at PGA
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That’s not LIV golf. That’s Koepka who without a doubt would still be on the PGA Tour if he didn’t have the injuries.
Na, he hated the rigorous PGA schedule and took more cash to play less. His major performances will provide an exemption in what he cares about- Majors.
Considering how many top players they signed, it was only a matter of time before one of them won a major.
I have no problem at all with players taking more money to do their job, just as all other professions allow; and I'd venture to say many on this board have done as well. This vitriol against the players is ridiculous. And never mind the BS about blood money; the US does business with the Saudi government; Lindsey Graham just cozied up to MBS and our former President hosts multiple tournaments, collecting massive money. The players are just that, players doing their job and maximizing their income. Congratulations to BK and BD 3rd place finish. We'll done; quality golf on a bitch of a course
Ok...but nobody is watching their events. It is a clown show.
Nobody? Well that's not at all true; I watch it. As far as being a clown show, that's your opinion. Funny thing about opinions, they are not right or wrong, and everyone is entitled to their own
I have no interest in watching LIV. Tried watching once and didn't like the TV coverage. I guess I'm old-fashioned, but I prefer traditional golf coverage, like they have on CBS, etc.
I don't know how long the Saudis are going to be willing to continue funding this money-losing venture (money-losing for them).
Hey I can understand that, and like you, I don't think LIV can make it long term without a deal with a major broadcast network. IMHO
Pga tour is awful liv golf is a little more awful…I only watch majors, and they have been great so far with liv players heavily involved
If Zach Johnson wants to win Ryder cup , brooks is a lock, probably number 2 on team, and DJ should be in with Bryson being a candidate depending how he plays next 2 majors, same with Reed … these are great Ryder cup players
Doesn’t matter, they have some of the best players in the world and deserve to play/earn points to play on the biggest stage. Winning a major without DJ, Koepka, Cam is eliminating 3 of the best players in the world. Luckily, they’re exempt for the foreseeable future due to their success.
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Agreed, don’t think LIV will be around in 5 years. Whole deal is bad for the fans. Jay and the PGA handled it awfully with their monopoly boycotting of some of the games best, especially using the crutch of blood money which gives the PGA Tour no leg to stand on. Every move they’ve made in response to LIV has made the tour experience better for the players- sounds like change was needed.
If the PGA tour were properly managed, prize money would be triple++ what it is now.
$400MM in annual prize money for the entire tour, and don't forget travel, caddies, food etc. comes out of this. The average tour player is upper middle class, the average MLB/NHL/NBA/NFL player is stupidly wealthy.
Very talented golfers graduate college and take regular jobs because the tour won't support them financially in any way: ridiculously mismanaged.
$400MM in annual prize money for the entire tour, and don't forget travel, caddies, food etc. comes out of this. The average tour player is upper middle class, the average MLB/NHL/NBA/NFL player is stupidly wealthy.
Very talented golfers graduate college and take regular jobs because the tour won't support them financially in any way: ridiculously mismanaged.
Sorry to offend you buttercup but the TV ratings are horrendous.
Laughable. So talented graduated college golfers should get supported by the tour?
Caddies are paid only by their player. I always take a caddy at my club and pay him. Should the club pay for my caddy?
Once again very mature. Perhaps some growing up is in order before you venture out in the world. Though this is pretty much what I expected from you. Enjoy your caddie
I have never watched the LIV tour and frankly, have zero desire to.
Very much looking forward to the US Open in a few weeks.
I do enjoy the company of my caddy. They are great kids working their way thru college.
Perhaps you need some time in your safe space.
young, talented golfers (in my opinion) should be paid to play on tour in their first few years
as is today, they literally need to show up with $100K +/- to fund Q school, travel, caddy, coaching etc: if they're not playing well in their first few months, that's it...time to leave golf and do something else, unless parents and/or the guys at the club can cough up some more dough
PGA is horribly managed - top 25 young amateurs every year should be funded to pursue their professional dreams
No doubt, hard to watch- although Ferity is the Chuck of golf and always entertaining. I don’t watch many sports anymore but doesn’t mean the product/ability of the players is to blame. They have a unique opportunity to highlight golf in different ways- specifically think they have a chance to select courses/markets that don’t fall on the PGAs radar. So many great tracks out there, play some high level Muni’s, old courses PGA won’t touch.
Silly....if you play well you do well. That's what makes the tour great. Most come from money anyways so tour isn't going to fund anyone..nor should they. There are all types of lower tours where players can compete.
Pretty sure Nicklaus, Palmer, Player etc etc didn't get funded and are very proud of the tour they built.
I don't disagree with what you say, that said, the economics of the PGA tour are remarkably poor, notwithstanding it's once monopolistic position. I am not a fan of LIV, and I do enjoy watching most PGA events, but it is bizarre how little these guys make relative to their respective values.
If Gary Bettman or Adam Silver were running the PGA tour, veteran players would be earning a whole lot more and young players wouldn't be worried about entry fees, caddy salaries, and travel expenses.
Not sure what you are basing your opinions on.
What makes the tour great is you are paid on performance.
No, what makes the tour great is the quality of the golf. I could care less about the money. Golf gives the average fan a escape from all the other BS we deal with. It provides an outlet to forget all that and just watch quality golf. Which is why I watch both the PGA and LIV. Leaving any politics and BS to the side.
You have been talking about about how golfers aren't paid enough and young golfers struggle financially and then you say "could care less about the money.".
I didn't talk about money. I said I do watch the LIV tournaments and the PGA tournaments, because all I care about is watching quality golf. I did say I don't blame any player for maximizing his income, just like all of us do, or did. And I did say the vitriol for the LIV players is the height of hypocricy, for so-called selling out for blood money; sports washing, when the US government does business with SA, Lindsey Graham, who just celebrated a meeting with MBS and Trump, our former President hosts multiple events for millions of dollars (no doubt negotiated while he was President). These guys are golfers doing their job and at the same time maximizing their income. Funny how all the PGA tournament purses have gone way up since LIV started, and they will be adding no-cut tournaments as well. Guess Phil was right
Nobody who played or plays on the PGA Tour “sucks” !
They’re all great golfers !
Some are just better than others.
WHY should the PGA Tour support golfers who don‘t qualify for the PGA Tour ?
You sound like another proponent of “entitlement”
The tour pays out +/- $400MM annually to it's players, which is paid before players pay out their coaches, caddies, travel fees etc. In my opinion, this value should be far higher.
Making it to the tour imo is far too difficult for uber talented young golfers. I dislike the LIV tour format on multiple fronts, but the PGA needs to take a closer look at the economics of it's golfers and serve them better.
FYI, I also enjoy watching great players get 'paid on performance'. That said, watching players literally lose money by missing cuts and then having to pay out for caddies, travel, coaching etc. is wrong. I unfortunately see this far too much: makes riding the bus in single A look like a cakewalk.
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You’re clueless !
Competitive “GOLF” is the ultimate meritocracy !
If you’re not playing well you don’t deserve to be paid !
it’s that simple
If a player qualifies for the PGA Tour his endorsements provide sufficient funds for the expenses involved in playing on the PGA Tour
The moment the top 25 amateurs are funded they automatically lose their amateur status.
To repeat, you’re clueless !
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