And is only going to get better apparently. Probably the greatest class ever. Alabama's run on number 1 classes is over.
Meyer is just killing it. ND should have hired him.
Meyer is just killing it. ND should have hired him.
Ohio State's current class is incredible
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Meyers would not be able to duplicate OSU at ND. That is part of the reason he did not come here
And they went to OSU. Multitude of reasons why. Just because they have offers doesn't mean they get in at the end. It also doesn't mean they stay academically eligible.
It isn't that players are academically ineligible .. they simply don't want to come here.
Actually, OSU had the best recruiting class last year (2017) also. They had the highest average/recruit ever on the final 247 composite. The reason that Alabama took the #1 spot was their total numbers - 29 recruits to OSU's total of only 21. And OSU still finished a somewhat close 2nd. Meyer has had some great talent in his first 5 years at OSU, but the talent level hitting Columbus in the next 3 to 4 years will be completely off the charts.
actually Bama had 6 5* recruits to tOSU's 5 5* in 2017's class
and I think only the first N# of commits are used to determine final rankings. If so it is probable that for those commits, Bama had a higher ave ranking per than tOSU.
True, but the point is they had a far larger sample to choose from. OSU had to push away several 4 star recruits - especially from Ohio - that would have pushed them pass Alabama. Really senseless to compare the two as both finished over 300 total points on the final 247 composite rating - the mark of a super class. Actually, I believe -without going back - that Georgia also finished with 300 points. I think it was the first time 3 schools have ever finished above that mark.
The point of my last post was to emphasize that the days of Alabama having a huge talent advantage over the rest of the playing field might be coming to an end. Urban has had top 5 to 10 classes during his years at OSU but is now taking it to an Alabama level - and maybe beyond.
well, what we see is the concentration of the elite prospects at at handfull of teams.
The team to watch is Clemson. They are getting really outstanding defensive classes. Then they get a few, but enough offensive playmakers to round out a class. They don't get 20-25 highest ranked commits but the 10-12 they get are impact prospects. And also, USC is recovering from the years of probation.
The team most hurt by the fortunes of Clemson and SC plus the resurgence of Mia. is LSU.
The dispersion of elites to those other teams is limiting their haul.
The team to watch is Clemson. They are getting really outstanding defensive classes. Then they get a few, but enough offensive playmakers to round out a class. They don't get 20-25 highest ranked commits but the 10-12 they get are impact prospects. And also, USC is recovering from the years of probation.
The team most hurt by the fortunes of Clemson and SC plus the resurgence of Mia. is LSU.
The dispersion of elites to those other teams is limiting their haul.
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Gator fans were saying similar things around 2009, but those higher ranked classes led to chemistry issues (and 5-6 loss seasons) which drove Meyer from Gainsville.
Now, let's see if this translates to National Championships. Final Four won't do. It has to be titles. If they are that rich in talent every year then that should translate into titles. Or just maybe the team with the best players don't always win.
No denying that Meyers resonates with these young guys and his demonstrated success on the field validates his message. Everyone of us would be off the charts ecstatic if ND had this class, pure and simple. No reason to tout our academic demands versus Ohio State to rationalize their recruiting success versus ours. Attending ND is more demanding, but this can be a recruiting advantage if ND plays an exciting brand of football that consistently produces double digit wins and major bowl success. Something we have yet to accomplish under Kelly.
Agree about Clemson. They will miss D. Watson greatly, however. IMHO, by far and away the best player in CF last year and was the main reason for their NC run.
The 2 schools to keep an eye on going forward are Texas and USC. Both have tremendous built-in recruiting advantages and are the football flagship schools in their states.
Final Fours won't do ? I'll take final fours and a NC every 4 to 5 years all day long. Alabama has 7 straight no.1 classes and has won only one of the last four NCs. The days of a team going undefeated anymore are remote. Every team has their "clunker" games - it happens. Yep, Alabama needs to can Saban. He's been under-performing with all of that massive talent. Good Lord, do you even follow CF ?
You are talking as an Irish fan. I'm talking about the out of this stratosphere recruiting by Bama and OSU. Clunker games happen in the middle of the season but, with all that elite talent that we are told about, the OSU 3rd team should be able to overcome a clunker game. And, a clunker game should not happen in a Final Four or title game. That's when the stars are supposed to shine with the emphasis on "supposed". If this board is going to get hit with the recruiting dominance of OSU and Bama, then it's only certain to see them play in every title game.
well then:
list the last 10 NCG participants
then list there 3 previous recruiting class rankings
The teams recruiting on an elite level are in fact dominating.
But there is only 1 NC in the end. Some of the 'elite' recruiting teams are eliminating each other. That happens.
As to clunkers?
1. these are 18 yr old kids, prone to emotional swing and mental errors
2. sometimes staff strategy and game plan 'brainfarts' occur (as a ND fan, you would be most familiar with that)
3. stress over the 12 game sesson takes a toll.
As stated before, OSU's recruiting has been top 5 to 7 every year up to 2017's class. They are just now getting to the Alabama level. The 2016 OSU season was not expected to be a championship season having only 6 returning starters and 44 players with freshman eligibility on the roster. Michigan was the favorite in many circles. Most were pointing to 2017 and knew 2016 would have high and low points.
The real root of the problem for OSU in 2015 and 2016 was the offensive direction under co-coordinators Warinner and Beck who both were replaced after the 2016 season. They were both in over their heads and the blame lies on Urban's shoulders as he is the head coach and responsible for the hires. Going to be interesting to see how effective new offensive coordinator Kevin Wilson turns out to be.
Is that the same Kevin Wilson who was canned by Indiana for mistreatment of his players.? Yes it is. Urban always puts the his players well being over everything else.
Well, we all will see how this embarrassment of riches will translate to titles. I like their odds but I would not classify any of it a sure thing at any point. Final Four is gold for most programs but if OSU and Bama have all the talent, then I would think that everyone connected with these programs would consider no title a disappointing season. And, our friend pers has already given both programs the built in excuses if it doesn't work out every season as it should. Two topics on OSU has this Irish fan pushing back just a little.
tOSU/Bama/Clemson/FSU are and have been in the NC hunt, not going 4-8.
There are about 6-8 teams that are obvious in the playoff picture. A few of those teams, because of league head to head and league championship game's will be eliminated.
But they recruit to put themselves in the position to be in final playoff discussions. And yes, making the playoffs and not winning the NC is a disappointment to them. That is the way it used to be at ND!
But, some ND fans cling to the glory of the 2012 NC beatdown 42-14 as if it were the return to glory. No, it was not. Winning would have be a return to glory. And by the way it was 5 friggin years ago!
The OSU QB scholar Cardale Jones"we ain't come to play school." No Thanks on Urbie.
I can see the day a university will declare a football 'Major'. It is an occupation. Does require extensive study time. It involves expert instructors. Catagory within the major can range from the coach, film study, a player position, AD...
Yep: someone will try it.
Yep: someone will try it.
