Notre Dame football: Adapt to NIL or be left behind

[88ND]

Notre Dame football: Adapt to NIL or be left behind

The Notre Dame football program is on a different playing field than the biggest programs in the country regarding NIL and the transfer portal. If the Iris...

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[savvyandsassier]

Perhaps, but right now ND's big need is for a bunch of players to transfer OUT. Or we'll have to not extend any fifth years just to get down to 85.

So big picture, sure, I suppose.... But not for this offseason. ND needs to be shedding players not adding more.....

 

[88ND]

Sometimes less is more and that might be the case with the 85 player issue.
Less as in we just might have what we need on the roster now.

 

[Kelso86]

Perhaps, but right now ND's big need is for a bunch of players to transfer OUT. Or we'll have to not extend any fifth years just to get down to 85.

So big picture, sure, I suppose.... But not for this offseason. ND needs to be shedding players not adding more.....

ND has until the beginning of fall camp to get to 85 -- between now and then, there will be transfers out, medical hardships, especially after spring practice.

 

[savvyandsassier]

ND has until the beginning of fall camp to get to 85 -- between now and then, there will be transfers out, medical hardships, especially after spring practice.

There better be. As of right now, we're at 97. That's 12 over. And I haven't heard much about anybody transferring out, other than Lenzy and Bracy not returning. The notion that there's 'attrition', there will always be attrition is bullshit. There won't always be anything. I can understand MF wanting to oversign in the event that there is a bunch of transfers but so far there isn't any. So.....

 

[Kelso86]

There better be. As of right now, we're at 97. That's 12 over. And I haven't heard much about anybody transferring out, other than Lenzy and Bracy not returning. The notion that there's 'attrition', there will always be attrition is bullshit. There won't always be anything. I can understand MF wanting to oversign in the event that there is a bunch of transfers but so far there isn't any. So.....

It will all work out in the end. Trust the process.

 

[savvyandsassier]

It will all work out in the end. Trust the process.

Oh right, after MF processes any number of players that don't transfer on their own of their own volition, or that don't get the hint that they might not have a scholarship for next season, and they best enter the portal before the coach has no choice but to kick them out....

Buddy, I know you're comfortable sweeping unpleasant shit under the carpet as it suits you. But that's now how I'm wired. Just sayin....

 

[banmate6]

As we're discussing on many threads, the college football story is playing itself out.

I see it as a struggle between volatility and cohesion. My guess is elite teams with money, branding, NIL management, and pipelining into the NFL will benefit. Especially if a 4 team playoff remains, fueling volatility for teams who don't make it, making the bowl games moot.

Some of you suggested expanding to a 12 team playoff, which would help in terms of stability. But you still have the specter of the non-elites going crazy here. And that college football players have no real academic tie.

I know I will sound like a broken record: but ND has a chance to mine all this for gold. In the right way. Academic accommodation need not be academic capitulation.

ND can teach, train, and advise athletes to do well with NIL in a progressive and remedial degree. Tons of ND students can help. Make social network connections for subsequent business endeavors.

How can a clown like me see this but ND Priests refuse?

 

[savvyandsassier]

The bowl games will still be awesome. Like for instance, our game with SCar. Neither of us would have made a 12 team playoff, or even a 16 team field, and thus the Gator bowl would not have been effected by an expanded playoff.

So I don't see bowl games going anywhere. If they want to finally end the New Year's Day bowls, and retire them from the sport, then go for it. But all the 2nd-tier bowls and below will still serve the same purpose. Filling up TV time and being a fine spectacle for the fans, as well as a chance for the teams themselves to keep playing, get those extra practices and a head start on next year.

As far as ND, figure out a way to be more lenient with transfers. And drop some of your standards, I guess, if that's what it comes down to. And let players make money, and embrace pay for play fully, as it is most definitely not only the future of the sport, but the de facto current reality. And leave any misplaced loyalty to the NCAA behind. Its days are numbered anyway.....

 

[Kelso86]

Oh right, after MF processes any number of players that don't transfer on their own of their own volition, or that don't get the hint that they might not have a scholarship for next season, and they best enter the portal before the coach has no choice but to kick them out....

Buddy, I know you're comfortable sweeping unpleasant shit under the carpet as it suits you. But that's now how I'm wired. Just sayin....

With Brandon Joseph declaring for the NFL Draft, the number is actually 93. Check out thr 2023 scholarship chart, which is kept updated throughout the offseason. Keep in mind, ND is often in the 90s during the winter and spring and doesn't have to be to 85 until the first day of fall-semester classes. Marcus Freeman and his staff have a pretty good idea of who is contemplating transfers and who might be an injury hardship. Some players may want to battle through spring practice to see where they stand before using the later portal window, which runs from May 1-15. Justin Ademilola, with NFL aspirations, also needs to decide whether he wants to use his sixth college season or move on.

Again -- trust the process! Decisions do not need to be made immediately! It's not "sweeping it under the rug" -- it is allowing for people to make the best decisions available.

 

[Golson5]

Thw number is 94 and there will always always be attrition

Some players will transfer, some will go on medical hardship, someone will go on academic scholarship

Numbers will always work out

 

[savvyandsassier]

With Brandon Joseph declaring for the NFL Draft, the number is actually 93. Check out thr 2023 scholarship chart, which is kept updated throughout the offseason. Keep in mind, ND is often in the 90s during the winter and spring and doesn't have to be to 85 until the first day of fall-semester classes. Marcus Freeman and his staff have a pretty good idea of who is contemplating transfers and who might be an injury hardship. Some players may want to battle through spring practice to see where they stand before using the later portal window, which runs from May 1-15. Justin Ademilola, with NFL aspirations, also needs to decide whether he wants to use his sixth college season or move on.

Again -- trust the process! Decisions do not need to be made immediately! It's not "sweeping it under the rug" -- it is allowing for people to make the best decisions available.

Okay, man. But the numbers don't lie. Players either leave on their own, under no duress whatsoever from the coaches, or are informed, one way or another, that they have to leave. We have 9 fifth-year guys, I believe, out of that 97, so that's not really processing, and they got their four years. And if necessary they could just not be invited back. But something will have to give. And if you are coach and you don't know for certain how things will play out then you are playing Russian roulette with the roster by oversigning to that degree.

And this was not difficult to foresee. That ND might oversign, because they don't want to have a bunch of transfers out, and then be down to 75 scholarship guys, or something like that, when it all shakes out. But you take your chances, and I guess that's what MF is willing to do.....

And you're right, it is 93, 94 with SH. I guess the last time I counted Lenzy, Bracy and BJ were still part of it.

 

[88ND]

It will all work out in the end. Trust the process.

Oh don't start that PHILTHadelphia 76er bullshit.
Trust the process. 🤢🤢🤢🤢

 

[BGI User 756]

So you quoted a lifelong fan….

 

[88ND]

The bowl games will still be awesome. Like for instance, our game with SCar. Neither of us would have made a 12 team playoff, or even a 16 team field, and thus the Gator bowl would not have been effected by an expanded playoff.

So I don't see bowl games going anywhere. If they want to finally end the New Year's Day bowls, and retire them from the sport, then go for it. But all the 2nd-tier bowls and below will still serve the same purpose. Filling up TV time and being a fine spectacle for the fans, as well as a chance for the teams themselves to keep playing, get those extra practices and a head start on next year.

As far as ND, figure out a way to be more lenient with transfers. And drop some of your standards, I guess, if that's what it comes down to. And let players make money, and embrace pay for play fully, as it is most definitely not only the future of the sport, but the de facto current reality. And leave any misplaced loyalty to the NCAA behind. Its days are numbered anyway.....

This has nothing to do with the NCAA.
Nada
Zip
Nothing

They can use the NCAA flag to hide under but it's all smoke and mirrors.

The problem is ND still thinks it's a huge privilege to attend. Students, student athletes and or faculty and coaches. . ND believes it's the pinnacle in college footbal and you're damn lucky to be involved in any capacity.
They don't like paying for services like coaching and utterly loathe paying players and or anything involved in such.
They can't announce that very thing as it would be recruiting suicide but you write this down...the moment Stanford, Duke, Northwestern et al
break away from the NCAA and get away from the NIL bullshit Notre Dame will be following.

It's only a matter of time and really who will be the first to break away. Nobody wants to be first but everyone wants to do it. It's coming

 

[NDinNJ]

As we're discussing on many threads, the college football story is playing itself out.

I see it as a struggle between volatility and cohesion. My guess is elite teams with money, branding, NIL management, and pipelining into the NFL will benefit. Especially if a 4 team playoff remains, fueling volatility for teams who don't make it, making the bowl games moot.

Some of you suggested expanding to a 12 team playoff, which would help in terms of stability. But you still have the specter of the non-elites going crazy here. And that college football players have no real academic tie.

I know I will sound like a broken record: but ND has a chance to mine all this for gold. In the right way. Academic accommodation need not be academic capitulation.

ND can teach, train, and advise athletes to do well with NIL in a progressive and remedial degree. Tons of ND students can help. Make social network connections for subsequent business endeavors.

How can a clown like me see this but ND Priests refuse?

Because they're old school.

 

[88ND]

How can a clown like me see this but ND Priests refuse?

That's a pipe dream.
#1 kids don't ultimately give a shit about that stuff. They want dolla bills and buh bye....
No not every kid but most kids.
The kids who would care...or rather don't care about the money only are the ones ND is getting or might be getting anyway...

#2
The powers that be at ND still think it's only lucky for you to attend there. Lucky they'd find the time to teach you. Lucky that they'd even consider offering tutiledge to a sorry sap like _________

#3
They hate the NIL

#4
They despise the NIL

#5
See #3 and #4

 

[banmate6]

That's a pipe dream.
#1 kids don't ultimately give a shit about that stuff. They want dolla bills and buh bye....
No not every kid but most kids.
The kids who would care...or rather don't care about the money only are the ones ND is getting or might be getting anyway...

#2
The powers that be at ND still think it's only lucky for you to attend there. Lucky they'd find the time to teach you. Lucky that they'd even consider offering tutiledge to a sorry sap like _________

#3
They hate the NIL

#4
They despise the NIL

#5
See #3 and #4

I sure hope ND isn't as conservative and elitist as you described.

Time will tell.

BTW: ND did land Hartman. At least the transfer portal is working, albeit within tight standards. Maybe NIL too?

 

[tbonesays]

As we're discussing on many threads, the college football story is playing itself out.

I see it as a struggle between volatility and cohesion. My guess is elite teams with money, branding, NIL management, and pipelining into the NFL will benefit. Especially if a 4 team playoff remains, fueling volatility for teams who don't make it, making the bowl games moot.

Some of you suggested expanding to a 12 team playoff, which would help in terms of stability. But you still have the specter of the non-elites going crazy here. And that college football players have no real academic tie.

I know I will sound like a broken record: but ND has a chance to mine all this for gold. In the right way. Academic accommodation need not be academic capitulation.

ND can teach, train, and advise athletes to do well with NIL in a progressive and remedial degree. Tons of ND students can help. Make social network connections for subsequent business endeavors.

How can a clown like me see this but ND Priests refuse?

What?