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Progress was made with a few top targets (possibly 'silents' or strong leans).
Booker (DE) was a big target and ND got a good push there.
Selectivity will make it slow going. Fans see 4* and while it does get a boost to Team Recruiting rankings, all 4 stars are not the same. There is a wide range to 4 stars and a lot of them. A team can be rankied well up there and yet not have real playmakers or impact prospects on the list. Impact playmakers are the 'gems' that separate Top Classes. The goal is to shop at the top of the range. Competition will make it slow going.
Booker (DE) was a big target and ND got a good push there.
Selectivity will make it slow going. Fans see 4* and while it does get a boost to Team Recruiting rankings, all 4 stars are not the same. There is a wide range to 4 stars and a lot of them. A team can be rankied well up there and yet not have real playmakers or impact prospects on the list. Impact playmakers are the 'gems' that separate Top Classes. The goal is to shop at the top of the range. Competition will make it slow going.
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Go bag some groceries
Not really. In a year that ND is only taking 22'ish recruits, they already have 12 committed and are waiting on some of their top guys to show their hands before thy move onto the next group. Quite a few guys are scheduled to make their choices this spring / summer and we'll have a better feel for things after that. The following guys are the priority right now....
RB: Levonte Valentine
RB: Keaontay Ingram
RB: Jahmir Smith
WR: Kevin Austin Jr
WR: Chase Cota
WR: Kamryn Babb
WR: Amon-Ra St. Brown
TE: Jeremy Ruckert
TE: George Takacs
TE: Mustapha Muhammed
OL: Nicholas Petit-Frere
OL: Warren Ericson
SDE: Thomas Booker
WDE: Tyreke Smith
WDE: Abdul Malik McClain
WDE: Richard Jibunor
NG: Ja'mion Franklin
NG: PJ Mustipher
Buck: Dallas Gant
Buck: Jack Lamb
Rover: Shayne Simon
CB: Houston Griffith
CB: Kyler Gordon
ND is certainly recruiting other players, but right now those guys are the the priority.When those 20+ guys have trimmed their lists, or in some cases, have made their decisions, ND will look to the next tier. I see 4-5 guys on that list that ND is confident they'll land as of right now and others who have yet to visit so it's hard to say.
RB: Levonte Valentine
RB: Keaontay Ingram
RB: Jahmir Smith
WR: Kevin Austin Jr
WR: Chase Cota
WR: Kamryn Babb
WR: Amon-Ra St. Brown
TE: Jeremy Ruckert
TE: George Takacs
TE: Mustapha Muhammed
OL: Nicholas Petit-Frere
OL: Warren Ericson
SDE: Thomas Booker
WDE: Tyreke Smith
WDE: Abdul Malik McClain
WDE: Richard Jibunor
NG: Ja'mion Franklin
NG: PJ Mustipher
Buck: Dallas Gant
Buck: Jack Lamb
Rover: Shayne Simon
CB: Houston Griffith
CB: Kyler Gordon
ND is certainly recruiting other players, but right now those guys are the the priority.When those 20+ guys have trimmed their lists, or in some cases, have made their decisions, ND will look to the next tier. I see 4-5 guys on that list that ND is confident they'll land as of right now and others who have yet to visit so it's hard to say.
Going into the game the prevailing thought was the maximum even possible number was 2 or 3, and nobody was even very confident of that. So the result pretty much met expectations. But we didn't seem to go backwards with anyone either.
^ you also need to look at the targets for other teams to get an idea of who the realistic targets are.
Check UM, tOSU, USC, Bama, Ok , PSU targets and the CB's. Many ND top targets are common to these teams.
Check UM, tOSU, USC, Bama, Ok , PSU targets and the CB's. Many ND top targets are common to these teams.
Really? Guess that explains why we have so many already committed.....good grief
No. The "event" signings, Spring game, Football Banquet etc., has trailed off the last 2 - 2 1/2 years under Kelly. That comes with public perception of future instability in the program. Pers is right, ND has been shopping in a different aisle the last 4 years. The 4* that have been signed are low fruit, those covering a base by signing somewhere, and marginal quality (*) ranked players. This recipe isn't going to change while Kelly is here. Get use to it. There is an enormous cloud of uncertainty hanging over this program. We go 2-2 in the first 4 games and the tenor and tone of the fan base will change, and change fast. These recruits will become open market talent again, if not now. Just because an AD decides to go all in with "his" guy doesn't mean things have changed around. When the right people wake up from their delusional view of the state of the football program - both AD and HC will go. Merrily off with plenty of ND's money. Once again.
ND certainly isn't going to land anywhere close to all of the guys I listed. Hell, they won't land half. Some of those guys are the most highly regarded players in the country, with offers from everyone. As long as ND rebounds and has a decent year, however, this should be a top 10 class. Well ahead of where it usually is at this point most years. So although the schools that traditionally close strong will likely do again this year, if ND simply holds serve, they'll wind up with the extra 10-12 recruiting points they need this year (the difference between 1-2 better recruits) to jump from the 11-15 range, into the top 10.
What ND needs to do is lock down one of Mustipher or Franklin, Thomas Booker, Kevin Austin Jr, one of the 3 tight ends, then really narrow their focus focus to their final 5-6 players. If they can head into the season with 15-16 commitments, ahead of official visit season, when the Southern and West Coast kids will come visit, I'm confident this could be the best class we've seen since Jaylon's.
Wanted a couple to pull the trigger that weekend, but all that matters is the end result. A lot of our top targets have planned timeframes for announcing, as the where and how has become increasingly staged, and even more so for the more sought after recruits. I hope we have Austin, Cota, Franklin, Mustipher and Simon committed before their senior season; and if so, then the Spring game obviously was a huge success. As always with recruiting, time will tell, and the only time that really matters is letter of intent day.
So......this is the quietest time of the year Football wise....NFL draft and spring games are done......school is almost out with the last classes today and exams next week (study everyone...remain eligible).....now we just wait on any unexpected transfers and make sure everyone shows up for the first day of summer semester which I believe is June 19th?
Just win on the field. Hyping each game isnt enough. W's speak louder than words. Strength of schedule will be a factor too.
The always interesting oxymoron, "silent verbal". I have actually heard seemingly intelligent people use that phrase.
You do realize that 12 kids who did, in fact, watch the 2016 ND season have already committed, right? And coming off a 3-9 season in 2007, where we looked 1000% worse than we did in going 4-8 last year, we put together the #2 ranked recruiting class in the country?
Can't win any games between now and fall camp. Therefore, unlikely to receive more than a couple of commitments if that. Win, and ND will recruit well. Lose, and the entire
list will become unraveled.
After Game 5, the votes will be in yeah or nay.
list will become unraveled.
After Game 5, the votes will be in yeah or nay.
"Are people surprised we didn't get any new commits coming out of the spring game?"
Ever think that the kids maybe want to take their time before committing?
2016 can still be an explanation for why recruiting has slowed down even with 12 commits on board right now. As others have mentioned in the top group that ND is focusing on currently a lot of those guys are also looking at other top programs. Many of these guys want to see what ND is going to do on the field this year. With ND being more selective in the process they aren't going to move away from these guys early, hence ND is waiting on them while they are waiting to see what ND is going to do.
ND offered DJ Johnson today. Love the offer. If he's the 4th best DB in a class of let's say Allen, Griffith, Gervin, Johnson, that would be a great haul.
Agree. That's an elite and versatile DB hall.
Allen will end as a 5* imo, and the best DB Kelly has signed
(Easily a Top5 Overall defensive prospect, along with Jaylon, Tuitt, and Lynch)
Ever think Kelly's lack of support for Kizer is driving away recruits and it is surprising more players havent decommitted?
Considering that we have one of the top QBs in the 2018 class committed....and Kelly was right....nope!
Being truthful is rarely going to create a major problem here.
It's clear Kizer would have benefited from another year in college. It coikd have prevented him from ending up in the QB-graveyard that is cleveland...and probably save his career.
Oh well...
The Kizer comments will absolutely be used as negative recruiting tools; without doubt.
Any recruitor not using them is not using all the 'tools' in his tool belt and is probably not among the top recruitors for top 25 teams (meaning they are not recruiting vs ND). Over the years Kelly has provided opposing recruitors with an entire tool shed of tools!
'17 recruiting is off to a good start for ND; especially if one pays no sttention how other teams are doing. Finishing a class has been ND/Kelly's weakness.
Any recruitor not using them is not using all the 'tools' in his tool belt and is probably not among the top recruitors for top 25 teams (meaning they are not recruiting vs ND). Over the years Kelly has provided opposing recruitors with an entire tool shed of tools!
'17 recruiting is off to a good start for ND; especially if one pays no sttention how other teams are doing. Finishing a class has been ND/Kelly's weakness.
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I feel good about Franklin. He announces July 1. A Clemson offer may be our biggest obstacle. I really enjoyed his film but it may have been against questionable opposition that he just overpowered.
I feel pretty good about Takacs as well. I actually thought he would have committed by now since we only have room for one TE presently (is that right?) and he is the lowest ranked one but with a really high ceiling, and not just because of his height (6'6 230 and still growing). Still, I am guessing we get him before the season starts. Just reading tea leaves on my part.
From what I have read about DJ Johnson, he sounds close to a lock. He is higher rated than Julian Love but Love had a leadership quality that doesn't show up in rankings.
I think we get those three before fall practice. Then have to show competitiveness and wins to finish the class off with high quality recruits that wait for such things.
I feel pretty good about Takacs as well. I actually thought he would have committed by now since we only have room for one TE presently (is that right?) and he is the lowest ranked one but with a really high ceiling, and not just because of his height (6'6 230 and still growing). Still, I am guessing we get him before the season starts. Just reading tea leaves on my part.
From what I have read about DJ Johnson, he sounds close to a lock. He is higher rated than Julian Love but Love had a leadership quality that doesn't show up in rankings.
I think we get those three before fall practice. Then have to show competitiveness and wins to finish the class off with high quality recruits that wait for such things.
You are way off regarding kellys comments on kizer affecting recruiting. Way, way off.
Please tell me this is a troll and you're actually dumb enough to believe this?
lol....this can't be serious.
First time following recruiting, I take it?
Or are you suffering from a serious head injury?
Clearly you don't understand the process. I ve been advising kids through the recruiting process for over 20 years. Probably well over a hundred of them from my area. This has always been a slow time.
The effects are not something you can quickly or easily discern. An article was already written citing the use of the comments by negative recruitors. To blatently say it is not significant is nonsense because you can't be proven correct nor incorrect. What we know from experience is that recruitors do recruit the disadvantages of ND and the status of the staff. ND has enough obstacles w/o shooting themselves in the foot. And contrary to the alias ID above, I do follow recruiting and not just ND recruiting. When I make comments about recruiting and ND depth it is because I follow the annual talent grabs.
So people saying "it's not a big deal" are unreasonable, because it's not easy to prove one way or the other........but you claiming "it's a big deal" is reasonable, even though it can't be proven?
uh, huh
Again, it's clear that you're not well versed in the recruiting process.
I'd just sit the next few rounds out, if I were you
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