I was kind of surprised at the speed of a few of the players. Chris Brown, Amir Carlisle, Farley, and Russel were right up there with elite speed. The old saying that ND does not have the speed of the elite teams is out the window. Just with this graduating class there are 7 players that run a high 4.4 or better.
ND Pro Day
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Agreed. By all accounts, everyone who needed to have a good pro day had one even after you factor in the fact the drills are skewed to make the players look as good as possible. Chris Brown had a great 40 time even with the added weight since the season ended. He was a borderline draft pick before today but I think he has a much better chance at getting drafted after today. Ishaq's 40 and broad jump make him an intriguing DE prospect and could help him get drafted in the late rounds even without any real film of him playing the position in college. Farley's 40 time was a bit surprising and should help tremendously. Even if teams question his ability at safety I think they will love him on special teams and I think that's how he makes an NFL squad initially even if he isn't drafted. But the star of the day had to be Keivarae. His measurables were eye-popping - 4.43 40, 11'2" broad, and 38" vert - and he wasn't even 100%. Wow! A lot of fans were disappointed with the season he had but we didn't find out until just recently that he played every game before his injury with a stress fracture that required him to be in a protective boot between games. I think at worst he goes in the 3rd round but now he has a real chance to go in the 2nd.
Gonna be fun to watch the NFL draft this year. A lot of ND talent. He is what some of the scouts said:
It's no surprise that all eyes were on offensive tackle Ronnie Stanley, a potential first round pick in April’s NFL Draft.
“Much better with pads on than without, if that makes sense,” one scout said of Stanley. “He’s just a really, really good offensive lineman and football player in general. He gets it done. He is going to be a good one, just like Zack Martin.”
Wide receiver Will Fuller, whom many project as a first or second round pick, impressed all day long.
“He’s really fast,” said one NFC scout. “Everyone knows that. He also plays fast and looks fast on tape and in person. I think that is what separates hims from the rest. He has a ton of speed and it shows in everything he does. That’s a first-round wide receiver if you ask me.”
Wide receiver Chris Brown didn’t work out at the NFL Combine, and many scouts in attendance were looking forward to seeing him in person.
“Really had a great day. Speed. He is really fast,” said an AFC scout. “It was good to see him run. He helped himself a great deal today. No doubt. He’s a guy that has a bright future if given a shot.”
Prior to transferring to Florida State, quarterback Everett Golson donned a Notre Dame jersey for three seasons. On Thursday, Golson returned to South Bend to link up with his former teammates one final time.
“I thought he had a good day,” said one scout. “I don’t think he did anything to really stand out, but some team will get him in camp if he isn’t drafted. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see him make a roster. He throws the ball with a lot of zip and he moves good in and out of the pocket. I think it comes down to work. If he puts it in, it will pay off.”
Projected as a second round pick, offensive lineman Nick Martin had a strong showing on Thursday. His performance was one of the better ones of the day.
“Moves better in person than I thought he did on tape,” said an NFC scout. “He looks good. Added some good weight. He improved his stock today. I think he gets drafted higher than many others believe he will.”
Before getting injured and lost for the season, running back C.J. Prosise had himself in midseason Heisman Trophy discussions. His speed caught the eye of the NFL scouts.
“Speed is there. Straight-line, very few can match him,” said one scout. “Quickness is there. I'm still wonder if he will be a running back or a receiver, he can play both and he showed that today. You can tell that he can play multiple positions at a high level, which I like.”
Wide receiver Amir Carlisle has a lot of similar traits to Prosise. As a “bubble player" of sort, it's uncertain whether he will get drafted in April.
“He needs to fine-tune some areas,” said an NFC scout. “He has good speed. He can move in space. He catches the ball OK. Is he a running back? Is he a receiver? I think he’s a guy who can make plays if he finds the right fit. The difference between he and Prosise is that C.J. has the running back experience, which is a spot Amir could be good.”
One scout was clearly a fan of defensive tackle Sheldon Day. Not only was he impressed with the on-field performance of Day, who is projected to go in the third or fourth round of the upcoming draft, but the leadership skills made an impression as well.
“Love the guy,” said an AFC scout. “He is passionate about the game and his own success, but he is a leader and really wants his teammates to do good things. I like that.”
One player who showed up in noticeably better shape was defensive back Matthias Farley. He was stronger and added bulk.
“He’s bigger than expected. He has put in the work,” said one scout. “He moved well today and showed, again, that he has worked to improve in areas.”
“He improved his stock today,” said another scout. “It should get him paid.”
Projected to go in the fifth or sixth round, defensive end Romeo Okwara made a case to get drafted even higher. One scout believes today’s effort, combined with his senior season, should put him firmly into the fourth or fifth round.
“Had a big senior year,” said a scout of Okwara. “Athleticism jumps out on tape and in person. He can put his hand in the dirt and drop in coverage. I like him as a prospect. He seems to have fun out there, which teams like to see.”
A lot of eyes were on cornerback KeiVarae Russell. However, following his 40-yard dash, Russell’s day was over after some issues with his hamstring. That said, he did his part to impress prior to that point.
“Really good athlete,” said one scout. “He did everything really well, up until getting hurt. He jumps high. He runs fast. We could see that. He does all the athletic stuff. It just would have been nice to see him move and cut and his footwork. There’s enough tape on him, though.”
It’ll be interesting to see where safety Elijah Shumate ends up. Some see him going in the sixth or seventh round, while others believe he will be an undrafted free agent that gets snatched up quickly after the NFL draft ends.
“I think he intrigues a lot of guys at the next level,” said one scout. “He is a heavy hitter, but he also moves well. Some team could get a steal with him. He is a guy you don’t hear much about and then comes out of nowhere and surprises people.”
Defensive end Ishaq Williams came to Pro Day in great shape.
“Like a few others, he was better than expected,” said an NFC scout. “He runs well and he looks good physically. Obviously having him on the field this year and getting film would have been ideal, but just looking at the physical traits and watching him work today, I think at least one team will pay close attention to him and give him a shot.”
It's no surprise that all eyes were on offensive tackle Ronnie Stanley, a potential first round pick in April’s NFL Draft.
“Much better with pads on than without, if that makes sense,” one scout said of Stanley. “He’s just a really, really good offensive lineman and football player in general. He gets it done. He is going to be a good one, just like Zack Martin.”
Wide receiver Will Fuller, whom many project as a first or second round pick, impressed all day long.
“He’s really fast,” said one NFC scout. “Everyone knows that. He also plays fast and looks fast on tape and in person. I think that is what separates hims from the rest. He has a ton of speed and it shows in everything he does. That’s a first-round wide receiver if you ask me.”
Wide receiver Chris Brown didn’t work out at the NFL Combine, and many scouts in attendance were looking forward to seeing him in person.
“Really had a great day. Speed. He is really fast,” said an AFC scout. “It was good to see him run. He helped himself a great deal today. No doubt. He’s a guy that has a bright future if given a shot.”
Prior to transferring to Florida State, quarterback Everett Golson donned a Notre Dame jersey for three seasons. On Thursday, Golson returned to South Bend to link up with his former teammates one final time.
“I thought he had a good day,” said one scout. “I don’t think he did anything to really stand out, but some team will get him in camp if he isn’t drafted. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see him make a roster. He throws the ball with a lot of zip and he moves good in and out of the pocket. I think it comes down to work. If he puts it in, it will pay off.”
Projected as a second round pick, offensive lineman Nick Martin had a strong showing on Thursday. His performance was one of the better ones of the day.
“Moves better in person than I thought he did on tape,” said an NFC scout. “He looks good. Added some good weight. He improved his stock today. I think he gets drafted higher than many others believe he will.”
Before getting injured and lost for the season, running back C.J. Prosise had himself in midseason Heisman Trophy discussions. His speed caught the eye of the NFL scouts.
“Speed is there. Straight-line, very few can match him,” said one scout. “Quickness is there. I'm still wonder if he will be a running back or a receiver, he can play both and he showed that today. You can tell that he can play multiple positions at a high level, which I like.”
Wide receiver Amir Carlisle has a lot of similar traits to Prosise. As a “bubble player" of sort, it's uncertain whether he will get drafted in April.
“He needs to fine-tune some areas,” said an NFC scout. “He has good speed. He can move in space. He catches the ball OK. Is he a running back? Is he a receiver? I think he’s a guy who can make plays if he finds the right fit. The difference between he and Prosise is that C.J. has the running back experience, which is a spot Amir could be good.”
One scout was clearly a fan of defensive tackle Sheldon Day. Not only was he impressed with the on-field performance of Day, who is projected to go in the third or fourth round of the upcoming draft, but the leadership skills made an impression as well.
“Love the guy,” said an AFC scout. “He is passionate about the game and his own success, but he is a leader and really wants his teammates to do good things. I like that.”
One player who showed up in noticeably better shape was defensive back Matthias Farley. He was stronger and added bulk.
“He’s bigger than expected. He has put in the work,” said one scout. “He moved well today and showed, again, that he has worked to improve in areas.”
“He improved his stock today,” said another scout. “It should get him paid.”
Projected to go in the fifth or sixth round, defensive end Romeo Okwara made a case to get drafted even higher. One scout believes today’s effort, combined with his senior season, should put him firmly into the fourth or fifth round.
“Had a big senior year,” said a scout of Okwara. “Athleticism jumps out on tape and in person. He can put his hand in the dirt and drop in coverage. I like him as a prospect. He seems to have fun out there, which teams like to see.”
A lot of eyes were on cornerback KeiVarae Russell. However, following his 40-yard dash, Russell’s day was over after some issues with his hamstring. That said, he did his part to impress prior to that point.
“Really good athlete,” said one scout. “He did everything really well, up until getting hurt. He jumps high. He runs fast. We could see that. He does all the athletic stuff. It just would have been nice to see him move and cut and his footwork. There’s enough tape on him, though.”
It’ll be interesting to see where safety Elijah Shumate ends up. Some see him going in the sixth or seventh round, while others believe he will be an undrafted free agent that gets snatched up quickly after the NFL draft ends.
“I think he intrigues a lot of guys at the next level,” said one scout. “He is a heavy hitter, but he also moves well. Some team could get a steal with him. He is a guy you don’t hear much about and then comes out of nowhere and surprises people.”
Defensive end Ishaq Williams came to Pro Day in great shape.
“Like a few others, he was better than expected,” said an NFC scout. “He runs well and he looks good physically. Obviously having him on the field this year and getting film would have been ideal, but just looking at the physical traits and watching him work today, I think at least one team will pay close attention to him and give him a shot.”
Yeah, that surprised me at both ends. I was surprised Grace was that fast at his size and I was surprised Golson was that slow. I always knew Golson wasn't as fast as the national analysts thought - they thought he was a runner as much as a passer - but I thought he was at least in the 4.7 range.
agreed. his numbers popped. he'll be a better pro than he was a college player. freakish numbers, broad jump and vertical especially. explosive.
ND won't see that type of speed at WR (as a complete unit) for some time. Chris Brown / Will Fuller / Amir Carlisle / C.J. Prosise (out of the backfield) is about as fast as a unit gets... I'd wager that collectively they may have been the fasted group in the nation over the past decade plus... And considering Hunter could fly as well, coming off the bench, that was a special unit.
Who cares? They still proved last season they can't beat elite teams. That's the more important fact.
Is it fun to watch all that talent leave after losing all the big games? ND still doesn't have a major bowl win in 20+ years.
Do you EVER have anything positive to say about the ND program? Get lost once and forall! You are a disgrace to the ND fan base if you're really a fan.
WE ARE ND
wow, you really are a miserable human being ( i use the term loosely). the king of the low hanging fruit. no substance just the same garbage over and over.
Rebuilding a program like Notre Dame is much different than rebuilding at other places. ND can't pull scholarships, recruit JUCO's, recruit many of the fringe kids and because of that, the process takes longer and depth will always be much more of a concern than at other places, where they can stack 5 star talent.
Part of the evolution towards ND getting back to a place where they can compete for the playoffs each year is putting a ton of kids into the NFL and having a lot of their players drafted high... By putting up crazy numbers at the combine and on pro days, that's another step in the right direction.
When you are as successful as ND is starting to be at putting kids in the NFL, you'll find more and more of the top guys that will be willing to come to ND despite the extra work they have to put in.
It amazes me that some people still don't understand how the challenge at ND is different.
So am I pumped about all the talent leaving South Bend for the NFL? Your damn right I am... Have you seen what Zack Martin and Ronnie Stanley are doing for ND's OL recruiting? Have you seen the multiple big time players that rave about Jaylon Smith and want to come play at ND because he was there (Hayes and Echols for example). Have you seen what Golden Tate, Michael Floyd, Will Fuller, etc, etc have done for ND's wide receiver recruiting annually? Do you notice that ND can basically have anyone they want at tight end?... It's all because of who they put in the league!!
Part of the evolution towards ND getting back to a place where they can compete for the playoffs each year is putting a ton of kids into the NFL and having a lot of their players drafted high... By putting up crazy numbers at the combine and on pro days, that's another step in the right direction.
When you are as successful as ND is starting to be at putting kids in the NFL, you'll find more and more of the top guys that will be willing to come to ND despite the extra work they have to put in.
It amazes me that some people still don't understand how the challenge at ND is different.
So am I pumped about all the talent leaving South Bend for the NFL? Your damn right I am... Have you seen what Zack Martin and Ronnie Stanley are doing for ND's OL recruiting? Have you seen the multiple big time players that rave about Jaylon Smith and want to come play at ND because he was there (Hayes and Echols for example). Have you seen what Golden Tate, Michael Floyd, Will Fuller, etc, etc have done for ND's wide receiver recruiting annually? Do you notice that ND can basically have anyone they want at tight end?... It's all because of who they put in the league!!
kelly has put less players per annum into the NFL than davie and willingham. He is marginally better than weis. However, with a good showing this year he could move up the recent ND coaching board.
Prior to this year's draft kelly (4) is under performing willingham (4.66), davie (4.2) and outperforming weis (3.8) by .2 players selected in the NFL draft per annum. He is almost 3 players per yer below Holtz (6.7).... He is also below ND historic norms.
If he gets 6 players drafted this year he'll jump davie. With 8 he'll jump willingham. He's had 2 seasons at ND with only 1 player drafted....
Can you break down the round, and tenure/success of each player. Also did Weis or BK get credit for Te'o/Floyd, etc? What's the parameters? Players recruited by that coach or drafted at the time the head coach was at the helm?
Kelly is putting his players into the NFL... As in the players he recruited and his staff developed. There was an enormous drop off in talent between the top players Weis left him and the remainder of the team. Kelly will have the following players drafted this year.....
2016
Stanley (1st round)
Fuller (1st round)
Smith (1st round)
Day (2nd / 3rd round)
Martin (2nd / 3rd round)
Russell (3rd / 4th round)
Prosise (3rd / 4th round)
Okwara (4th-6th round)
Brown (5th-7th round)
Farley (7th round-free agent)
Shumate (free agent)
2017 (on a team that graduates very little)
Mike McGlinchey (1st round)
Torii Hunter (if he leaves)
Cole Luke
Max Redfield (great athlete)
Isaac Rochell
Jarron Jones
James Onwualu (free agent most likely)
ND will get 14-15 players drafted in the next 2 years... Brian Kelly is doing just fine with his guys. Look at ND's first round picks!!
2016
Stanley (1st round)
Fuller (1st round)
Smith (1st round)
Day (2nd / 3rd round)
Martin (2nd / 3rd round)
Russell (3rd / 4th round)
Prosise (3rd / 4th round)
Okwara (4th-6th round)
Brown (5th-7th round)
Farley (7th round-free agent)
Shumate (free agent)
2017 (on a team that graduates very little)
Mike McGlinchey (1st round)
Torii Hunter (if he leaves)
Cole Luke
Max Redfield (great athlete)
Isaac Rochell
Jarron Jones
James Onwualu (free agent most likely)
ND will get 14-15 players drafted in the next 2 years... Brian Kelly is doing just fine with his guys. Look at ND's first round picks!!
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You forgot Russell who will likely get drafted in the 3rd or possibly the 2nd round.
It's by who was the coach for the season prior to that year's draft. For instance, kelly doesn't get credit for the '10 draftees as that group was selected months before he ever coached a game at ND. He ditched his undefeated Cincinnati team in Dec. and had no bearing on those players development. kelly is also the beneficiary of a number of NFL-weis recruits. Interestingly, kelly made it clear that they weren't his guys and later apologised. He pissed off one of the most decorated players in ND history...Manti, who fired off a caustic response. If you Google NFL draft by school you will see the NFL draftees sorted annually. It's a good site. I will try to link it later or tomorrow. I am on a phone.... It is easy to find though.
Stu,
BK is killing it in the draft now with kids that he recruited. ND is going to consistently but a lot of kids in the NFL from here on out (while Kelly is coaching). The only "down years" will be those in which we don't graduate a lot of kids. Just looking at the types of athletes ND is recruiting and the quality of coaches on the staff at a lot of positions, I see a ton of NFL draft picks down the road.
BK is killing it in the draft now with kids that he recruited. ND is going to consistently but a lot of kids in the NFL from here on out (while Kelly is coaching). The only "down years" will be those in which we don't graduate a lot of kids. Just looking at the types of athletes ND is recruiting and the quality of coaches on the staff at a lot of positions, I see a ton of NFL draft picks down the road.
Mental illness is very sad. The loss of any ability at all to be objective is awful. Help is out there.
I can only guess to whom you're referring. Don't concern yourself with the hysterical ravings of a psychiatric patient. It's pointless arguing with the mentally ill. I recommend the ignore function---it's so nice not to have to see his lunatic rants.
Agree but it's confusing sometimes when you don't know what a particular poster is responding to. Worth it though![smile]
The behavior of some of the posters on this board is not only juvenile, but scary. As I've said before, it's one thing to be critical of Kelly, but some of the attacks on this board are totally irrational. The posts of argusman (and his aliases) and turnovermachine are merely childish nonsense. But the comments of cgvr cross the boundaries of sanity. I know plenty of ND alums who are critical of Kelly---and that's fine. But the hysterical ravings of cgvr are totally incongruous with the behavior of a rational, ND-educated person. What kind of person behaves like that? Since I won't concern myself with the hysterical rantings of someone who needs psychiatric therapy, I've opted to put him on ignore. I refuse to subject myself to that sort of lunacy.
Amazing those posters are all on my ignore also, along with a number of others. Very peaceful here now.
Indeed. Further evidence of the lunacy and childishness on this board: you inform people that you put them on ignore, and then they evidently respond knowing full well that you can see that they posted but are unable to read what they post. Why post when you know the person won't read it? Talk about stupidity. I suppose it's also evidence of the childish need to have the last word. Again, I can spare myself that nonsense.
I thought I was being kind and saving the individual the time of writing a reply I won't see. Evidently, I was overestimating their intelligence.
As you can see above, the board's resident psychiatric patient probably took time away from one of his juvenile tantrums, grew tired of masquerading as an ND alum for a few minutes, and likely replied to one of my posts with an attack after being told I can't read them. He obviously forgot to take his clozapine again. Gee, maybe he'll fly into one of his usual irrational tirades. So predictable and so childish.
Those jackets have been sold out here for some time. Waiting on another shipment.
wow ! a coach showing emotion. what a revelation .
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