I'm perfectly OK with ND having to go undefeated to get in.
Just as any other D1 school going undefeated and NOT being left out.
ND can force expansion of playoff teams
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Just as any other D1 school going undefeated and NOT being left out.
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- If Notre Dame runs the table, the ripple effect for the ACC champ and other College Football Playoff hopefuls could be significant. A look at how all 39 bowl matchups might shake out heading into October.
October 01, 2018
As you may have heard, Notre Dame is 5–0 and squarely in the playoff conversation as the calendar turns to October, and unlike many of the teams above them, the Fighting Irish don’t see a sharp uptick in the difficulty of their schedule in the coming weeks. Survive Saturday night in Blacksburg, and Notre Dame’s biggest remaining tests could be a road trip to Northwestern and a neutral-site game against Syracuse. Of course, if the Irish are in the top four, another power conference gets squeezed out; this week Clemson’s QB uncertainty and equally soft schedule leave the Tigers on the wrong side of the bubble, but as the arrival at the first playoff rankings on Halloween night approaches, that bubble could shift several times.
UCF, TCU, Boise etc will always be shafted. Their best shot is the Polls before any stupid playoff was allowed. Expanding to force them in just gives them more games to play against superior talent rosters (that's cancelled out when they play a schedule more proportional to their recruiting).
So obviously expansion of the four team playoff helps #5 but it further spoils everything else, giving an 8-5 GaTech team the same playoff equity as UCF.
Could we please mute this argument until 11-1 ND team with a quality win gets actually excluded?
So then why even play that game? You just pointed out why UCF being left out is even more ridiculous. I was happy for UCF and not an Auburn fan but really that was a boring game and match up. Even ND vs LSU had more prestige. We as fans want the best match ups and that doesn’t mean Georgia vs Bama vs Auburn vs LSU. We’ve already seen that crap. It’s natural for us to want something else. I do agree UCF should not have been left out.
The university presidents have stated the DI football champion must be crowned before the start of the spring semester. I really like the best four teams format myself. I prefer the best four teams by ranking, at the end of the regular season, as selected by the committee.
This is absolutely stupid. Lets go back to the bcs and vote for two, smh at how clueless you are.
I've said it the last 2 years that ND most likely doesn't get in with one loss because their lack of conference affiliation would work against them .... mostly because the voters are conference affiliated. A lot of backtracking by some on this thread.
Any P5 undefeated team will get into the Top4. Meaning if you don’t make it’s your own fault.
Why devalue the regular season just to allow more teams a 2nd chance?
The value of each and every regular season game is what makes CFB so great.
Sorry, you’re just wrong.
But with the clout wielded by the power 5 conferences, that is a virtual certainty.
What is a virtual certainty? That they would only agree if conference champs get in regardless? Maybe so initially, but how long do you think teams getting in w/ 3 or more losses will last given the uproar & outrage it would generate? It’s a simple, rational and fair way to do it. Automatic bid is granted to conference champs if they have two or less losses and are ranked in the top 8. Clout or no clout, their deal wouldn’t last if undeserving teams are getting in. There’d be too much push back, deservedly so.
This guy is on an island … I'll call it Stupid Island …. says things not heard anywhere else …. the only time I've heard anyone say 4 teams is too many …. SMH
What if they invited 6 teams instead of 4 or 8? Seeds #1 and #2 are off the first playoff game. Seeds 3, 4, 5, and 6 play each other for the "wild card round" and highest remaining seed plays #1 and lower remaining seed plays #2 and then you have the national championship.
Conference champs (P5), Top Ranked Ind, 2 wild cards : 8
Then few have a legit gripe.
But is it necessary? We are pretty sure that the real champ is being determined now.
Where in Fried's quote did he say 4 is to many? He said any Power 5 team going unbeaten should be in the TOP FOUR!!! Stupid Island, you are the mayor and on this island, an island all by yourself. It's gonna be fun to see you wiggle out of this one. You ain't real smart are ya!
“What if they invited 6 teams instead of 4 or 8? Seeds #1 and #2 are off the first playoff game. Seeds 3, 4, 5, and 6 play each other for the "wild card round" and highest remaining seed plays #1 and lower remaining seed plays #2 and then you have the national championship.”
Not a bad idea. 6 or 8 are good numbers, imo.
Not a bad idea. 6 or 8 are good numbers, imo.
6 is possibly more controversial than 4. You would have fans squawking about getting ranked 3rd instead of 2nd, as well as 7th instead of 6th.
I think 8 is the most likely next expansion; but it may take as many as ten years.
Of course including ND, you could have 6 P5 teams going undefeated in a single season. That would make for a crowded top 4.
More often than not this works itself out. I have gotten back into following cfb more this fall, right now if i was to bet Alabama would be the only P5 team to run the table.
Maybe. If an 11-1 ND squad had zero QWs and the loss was to another playoff team. But more likely our strength of schedule would place us in.
They are pseudo-playoff elimination games. However we haven't faced a 12-0 team getting their first loss in the CCG, yet.
They should have played 5 Bowl games on Jan 1st with more or less traditional match-ups. then play for the national title BCS like the next weekend. Only once in a blue moon are their three contenders after the bowls.
“6 is possibly more controversial than 4. You would have fans squawking about getting ranked 3rd instead of 2nd, as well as 7th instead of 6th.”
Maybe so. At least there would be two most probably worthy teams added to the mix though. Might be worth it.
Maybe so. At least there would be two most probably worthy teams added to the mix though. Might be worth it.
Wiggling out? … actually it's real easy since IN THIS THREAD he said "4 is plenty … probably too many" ….
It's funny to see you call someone stupid while your stating the dumbest things ever …. it's only in this thread .... WOW!
Hey Friedy! …. check out your boy! ….. LOL!
Before the season echoboy and the other members of the clown show wanted to argue profusely that an 11-1 ND team gets in easy …. already changing his tune ….. he has zero credibility
Where in the QUOTE did he say 4 is to many....QUOTE dipshit, not thread. Like I said, you ain;t real smart are ya. Now go back and clean up that mess in aisle 3!
Watch Michigan? Ok, I will and they’ll get destroyed by OSU. Did you watch Michigan @NW?
You are infantile to say the least …. you actually have to be spoon fed … it's in this thread …. dumb and stupid aren't strong enough words for you …..
You are infantile to say the least …. you actually have to be spoon fed … it's in this thread …. dumb and stupid aren't strong enough words for you …..
The fact that you disagree is about as good of evidence that I'm right as I could ever ask for.
Thank you for your support
The main point of this thread is to point out that the major conferences will not be happy if ND takes a slot
They can combine to pressure change. Imagine 2 sec teams getting in one Acc and ND. No pac. No Big 10. No Big 12. Etc
That could force change. ND could be the catalyst
Contract runs for 6 more years...so not really
And no, 4 is already enough or even too many, so no reason exists that justifies further devaluing the regular season
I love how shrewd/exclusive the national championship/playoff picture in college football is. It's a dog eat dog world only the fittest survive. EVERY SINGLE GAME IS A PLAYOFF GAME in college football.
No other sport provides that kind of make or break tension week to week.
As soon as you expand the amount of teams in, then everybody gets a mulligan for a loss ... (which devalues the regular season) and it doesn't entirely solve the problem either. After you expand so 1 loss teams are in, then the argument becomes expanding it again because some other 1 loss teams are left out .. etc. etc.
No other sport provides that kind of make or break tension week to week.
As soon as you expand the amount of teams in, then everybody gets a mulligan for a loss ... (which devalues the regular season) and it doesn't entirely solve the problem either. After you expand so 1 loss teams are in, then the argument becomes expanding it again because some other 1 loss teams are left out .. etc. etc.
Wow.
A non-stupid opinion from @chaseball
Anything really is possible in this world in which we live
Since the playoff system began in 2014, there have been 13 playoff teams with 1 regular season loss, and 3 undefeated teams in the playoffs. Every national champion since 2014 has been a team with one regular season loss.
I'm all for going undefeated to get into the playoffs, but the fact is that most teams in the playoffs have a loss. ND has had, what, 2 undefeated regular seasons in the last 30 years?
I don't really like a scenario where a 1-loss ND team would have to watch some other 1-loss team celebrate a natty that ND had no shot at because ND didn't make the tiny playoff field.
I'm all for going undefeated to get into the playoffs, but the fact is that most teams in the playoffs have a loss. ND has had, what, 2 undefeated regular seasons in the last 30 years?
I don't really like a scenario where a 1-loss ND team would have to watch some other 1-loss team celebrate a natty that ND had no shot at because ND didn't make the tiny playoff field.
