And didn't Kirby Smart go from coordinator to HC, and he's in the finals
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Lincoln Riley
Jimbo Fisher
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Dave Aranda
All made similar jumps just off the top of my head.
PaTy thinks a year or two being head coach at Toledo is needed, like the 1 total year as head coach of Toledo Saban had prior to getting his first power 5 head coaching job.
The greatest coach in ND history never had head coaching experience.
Ok so all of us are upset with losing this bowl game. It’s a day later and I’m still very disappointed. At this stage it is pointless to argue for or against hiring Freeman. He’s the coach for the next 5 years. Will he be great ? Will he be horrible? Will he be average? I have no idea. Neither does anyone else. I do expect some growing pains. Right now this team doesn’t know how to win big games. Kelly was the coach for 12 years. 4 weeks and one game aren’t going to change how these current players view things. Over time teams take on the personality of their coach. What we saw yesterday was team that got a big lead and didn’t have that killer instinct. Once momentum was taken away the Irish never got it back. Technically there were a slew of things that need to be addressed. Right now it is what it is. Freeman is the coach. He’s going to need time to show he’s up to the job. So I’ll keep my fingers crossed and like all of you keep rooting for the Irish. Nothing else to really do.
Good points, all. Nice to read a sensible and analytical post.
Not having Hamilton at the back end of our secondary was huge, IMO. While he wouldn't have been able to cover entirely for Lewis' clear shortcomings, I'd like think he would have made things more difficult, and maybe made a few plays that would have turned the tide of the game. As I watched the game with my grandson, I kept telling him to look for who Lewis was covering, because that is where a pass was going. More often than not that was exactly what happened. It became painful to watch, especially when our D got gassed in the second half and was unable to generate any kind of effective pass rush.
To what you have posted, I would add that our lack of talent at the WR position was pretty noticeable to me. Styles had a nice game, and I am excited about what Lorenzo may offer us in years to come. Kevin Austin made a few nice plays, but we don't seem to have anyone at the receiver position (save for Mayer) that can win contested balls. How many times did Coan throw to Lenzy in the second half and come up empty? Too many for my liking. While Lenzy has speed, he doesn't seem to have natural ball catching skills, or the ability to get separation when he gets press coverage. I hope Freeman is able to recruit some play makers at the WR position. We are hurting there.
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Yeah, but don't tell that to that idiot Get Nasty.
Almost all head coaches move up from Coordinator.
Oklahoma just hired Venables straight from Coordinator. Oregon just hired Lanning staight from coordinator,
Hey Beach: What was your take on Freeman’s in-game adjustments? I really didn’t see any. Particularly leaving Lewis out there at DB getting torched. That was my biggest beef.
I didn't see them either but you have to remember at the end of the first half there really wasn't a drastic need. ND was still up by two scores. There wasn't a need for a game plan switch, maybe just some overage adjustments.
The only glaring thing was to get the run going, but it was stopped you throughly he my not have thought there wasn"t anything to do. Also, I don't know enough about ND team to judge what should have been done.
I didn't see anything in the game that I thought was a coaching error, other then going for it on fourth down at the end and many would disagree with me.
My only other thought is that I think most of the posters are really underestimating how good Okie State is.
The only glaring thing was to get the run going, but it was stopped you throughly he my not have thought there wasn"t anything to do. Also, I don't know enough about ND team to judge what should have been done.
I didn't see anything in the game that I thought was a coaching error, other then going for it on fourth down at the end and many would disagree with me.
My only other thought is that I think most of the posters are really underestimating how good Okie State is.
I also thought going for it was an error. All the eggs are in one basket. Punt it and go for the three and out with the 3 timeouts. Not a huge mistake IMO but I would have punted it.
Judgement call but even if y0u make it you have a long way to go. Beeter to punt and try to hlold them IMO,
I'm sure he lacked all confidence in the defense to get the ball back. Can't fault him to much there
I sure you are right but still it was game over if you don't make it. Do you remember the yardage? Was it fourth and six?
4th and 7. I personally would have punted, but I get the thought process in not doing so.
It wouldn’t matter if he was hired a year ago, you have no idea as to what it takes and how long it takes to transition from a co-ordinator to a head coach.
How many times will ND make the same mistake.
Greatest head coach at ND had zero head coaching experience.
Dabo wasn't even a coordinator, he was a WR coach, struggled a couple of seasons, but recruited extremely well and ended up winning 2 championships.
Can go on and on with others.
No. No. No. beach don’t you dare come on here and say “t isn't fair to say Kelly screwed you. With early siging coaches are put in an impossible situation. They…”
kelly is a low life ego accent faking knife in the back loser. Don’t give me that garbage about money and todays game etc because we all know that
no one faults Kelly for the money grab. How he left is the issue and the proof that he tried to screw us. No stand up coach walks into Tobias Merriweather home and takes a fifteen minute call from LSU and tell the living room all is good. Then within minutes after he leaves the tv in that living room announces Kelly is leaving. At the same time, one of our coaches is in another living room and this happens to him. None of our coaches were warned. None of our recruits or players were given straight truth.
It’s wrong. It’s inexcusable. And there is always a right way to do things. And Kelly screwed us and we had to clean up his mess
Beach, I value you as a poster here. But don’t ever talk against the family again, Fredo.
Another excellent post again by Beach.
I also don't think it was coaching. The offense tried to establish the running game but just couldn't, the entire game. The offense tried to adjust to OSU adjusting to short pass, but Coan couldn't.
I'm no expert but again say the defense was simply exposed in the 2nd half to OSU adjusting. All in all, OSU was the better team and, on this day, had the better players. The margin of difference seemed to be the ND players who were out, especially Williams and Hamilton.
To quote Boris Johnson, upon meeting Biden’s clone, “who the hell are you?” That was a very candid and objective post.
How about failing to try to score at the end of the first half ?
I’m not a fan of TB replacing JC, but didn’t anyone look at game film of OSU to see if there was a role for TB to play.
if Freeman is a defensive guru, why did the defensive game plan collapse ?
And where were the adjustments?
