Miami vs. FSU
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First off no one is criticizing Golson. The comment that Golson is no Winston refers strictly to the fact that Golson is a smaller but more mobile QB than Winston and his skills don't translate into the pure pocket presence that Winston commanded. It's the opinion of many in the Nole Nation that Jimbo needs to move the pocket for Golson to increase the passing lanes and better utilize the OL which is young and learning. Quickly I might add.
That said ... Golson made some incredible passes from the pocket Sat night. I would say our QB guru knows what he is doing and it's kind of foolish to second guess him based on his history as either a head coach or QB developer.
Jimbo hasn't opened up the playbook to Golson yet. But he hasn't needed to. While FSU isn't the offensive powerhouse they were the past two years it isn't all on Golson. Four new starters on the OL, young and inconsistent receivers, RB injuries, etc. I'm sure you can identify with has had more impact on the offensive production than Golson's learning curve.
I will say this .... Golson is completing 67 percent of his passes (76 against Miami) with no fumbles or INT's. Not too shabby. Making relatively few errors considering he's had to learn new terminology, a new playbook and get on the same page as his receivers and RB's in a short period of time. More importantly ..... he's 5-0.
Notre Dame ranked # 101 in fumbles and ints lost last year with 26.
I believe Golson accounted for 22 of them. kelly should have benched him earlier....
PS What's missing from the completion percentage is the drops... I've seen a bunch in the short spells I've viewed fsu this year.
http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category12/sort04.html
"Golson has looked very average so far. He seems very uncomfortable in the pocket. I've wondered if he can even see over the line."
"Golson does not look comfortable as a pocket passer. He's no Winston. IMHO Jimbo needs to move the pocket to give Golson more vision and time"
No, you're right nole, those aren't criticisms of Golson. One thing is certain, either he, all of the sudden, learned how to throw from the pocket against Miami & grew a few inches so he could see over the line, or your analysis was wrong, one or the other. Ftr, Golson was dead to me as soon as he decided to leave ND, but I can still be objective about his play. When he's not turning the ball over, he's an excellent qb. Unfortunately, the last half of the season last year, he turned it over ad nauseam. If he stays turnover-free, FSU has a good shot to run the table, considering their schedule. If he starts turning it over even half as much as he did at ND, I don't see FSU winning out. They are not the same FSU team of the past few years, imho.
"Golson does not look comfortable as a pocket passer. He's no Winston. IMHO Jimbo needs to move the pocket to give Golson more vision and time"
No, you're right nole, those aren't criticisms of Golson. One thing is certain, either he, all of the sudden, learned how to throw from the pocket against Miami & grew a few inches so he could see over the line, or your analysis was wrong, one or the other. Ftr, Golson was dead to me as soon as he decided to leave ND, but I can still be objective about his play. When he's not turning the ball over, he's an excellent qb. Unfortunately, the last half of the season last year, he turned it over ad nauseam. If he stays turnover-free, FSU has a good shot to run the table, considering their schedule. If he starts turning it over even half as much as he did at ND, I don't see FSU winning out. They are not the same FSU team of the past few years, imho.
Fair enough. If FSU loses the next 5 of 6 I agree you are on to something. If they lose 3 of the next 6 and it's because of turnovers and not defensive breakdowns I will agree too.
No one will argue that they aren't the same team as 13' and 14'. That includes the QB position as well. Loads of untapped talent though. Just young and inexperienced. FSU had 11 drafted last year (29 over the past three years). Many underclassmen. Those drafted that would change the complexion of this year's team are many. That said..... FSU is still back to the reloading mode for the most part and no longer in the rebuilding one they were in the late 2000's.
Sometimes the transfer bug hits and sometimes the injury bug hits. Something ND fans should know about all too well. Had Coker not transferred thinking Winston had the job locked down through this year Golson would be playing elsewhere. If Golson hadn't transferred thinking Zaire had the job locked down he'd be your starting QB today and we wouldn't be having this discussion. You never know in this crazy world of college FB.
One thing that can be said for Golson, he exhibits an escape ability that probably hasn't been seen at FSU since the days of Charlie Ward. Natural ability there no doubt, but also safe to say that Everett received quality position coaching during his time in South Bend.
For example, the play below when FSU played BC ... if this had been Winston, well, count 2 points for the Golden Eagles ...
For example, the play below when FSU played BC ... if this had been Winston, well, count 2 points for the Golden Eagles ...
True about Golson. However, one could make a highlights film out of the Houdini moves that Winston demonstrated in 2013 that resulted in a TD. Quite impressive for 6'4", 235 lb QB with a slower 4.9 40.
Really strange response. The seeing over the line thing was a joke. I am well aware of Golson's experience. I had watched him play many times before he came to FSU. The Miami game was the first time this season that he didn't have any deer in headlights moments. FSU's offense is far different than ND's. It took him some time to adjust. That isn't a knock on him. It is just reality.
Cook has carried the offense so far. Golson has looked better and better and I hope it continues.
But no, he's not even close to being on the level of that a-hole as you so eloquently put it. Winston stretched the field, a vertical gunslinger. Our passing game has been anything but vertical this year. It's mostly screen passes and 5-7 yarders.
I like Golson and hope the best for him. Once he came to FSU he became family. I would defend him the same as any other player.
Forever, I'm not sure why it's a "really strange response". I read your post & had no idea you were joking, there was no indication that you were. Here is what you said:
"Decent chance for an upset. Golson has looked very average so far. He seems very uncomfortable in the pocket. I've wondered if he can even see over the line. Hopefully this will be a breakout game for him"
How is a reader of this post supposed to know you were joking? It just sounded like a dumb post is all, that's why I responded the way I did.
But like I said, the two criticisms of him would lead someone to believe that he's never thrown from the pocket well before & that he can't see over the line. Both criticisms aren't accurate. That's all I was saying. And as for him not being on the same level as the a-hole, you're probably right, and I never said he was, but he can make all the throws, so to insinuate that FSU is running screens because Golson doesn't have the arm to throw vertically, is another example of your analysis of him being wrong. But as I said before, he's dead to me, so I don't care if he plays well or not. If he does, good for him & you FSU fans, if he doesn't, even better.
"Decent chance for an upset. Golson has looked very average so far. He seems very uncomfortable in the pocket. I've wondered if he can even see over the line. Hopefully this will be a breakout game for him"
How is a reader of this post supposed to know you were joking? It just sounded like a dumb post is all, that's why I responded the way I did.
But like I said, the two criticisms of him would lead someone to believe that he's never thrown from the pocket well before & that he can't see over the line. Both criticisms aren't accurate. That's all I was saying. And as for him not being on the same level as the a-hole, you're probably right, and I never said he was, but he can make all the throws, so to insinuate that FSU is running screens because Golson doesn't have the arm to throw vertically, is another example of your analysis of him being wrong. But as I said before, he's dead to me, so I don't care if he plays well or not. If he does, good for him & you FSU fans, if he doesn't, even better.
The only thing Winston ever escaped from where the criminal charges for rape and robbery the FSU administration and the TPD helped him with. The Civil Courts will rectify that as Winston and FSU will pat through the nose and Winston will be always infamously known as the rapist who was drafted before future Hall of Famer Marcus Mariota.
Only in your demented mind.
What he is known for is an immature student who survived a bogus rape charge by a chronic liar who has told more conflicting stories than even you. Never mind .... my bad .... that's not close to possible.
I figured he would be known for his Heisman before his scholarship but then again you are just as dulusional as him.
Please .... take an aspirin and call me in the morning. I live at home and don't wear a jacket with straps in the back. Plus there's little I post that can't be backed up with facts. That alone separates any delusional comparison you could possibly make. To think otherwise would make you delusional.
You should keep trying to correct him that will work out really well for you.
That's pretty funny. If epic/argus/dubs/..... posted and no one responded (other than him) would it make a sound?
My guess is that if nole stopped responding we wouldn't see so many insane lie filled posts.
I'd write something in response, but Charlton expressed it better than I ever could ...
Maybe if no1e targeted the posters, outside of epic's known aliases, that agree with the lies that would be worth a try..... For instance, I haven't noticed any people agreeing with argus' preposterous lie that no1e called kelly a murderer. However, if some "outsider" did no1e could set that person straight. Right now nothing is going to change argus' insanity. Seriously, who uses multiple handles to agree with himself and forgets who he is during the process.... Arguing with that kind of lunacy is a no win situation. Until something changes it's a vortex..... I am sure there is a Guiness world record somewhere in there....
Don't know about any Guinness world records but be assured Argus has set many Rivals records with his 22+ banned usernames over the past 8-9 years. Want the ultimate insult? Call any troll poster an Argus clone. That needs no further explanation. Everyone gets it. ....... except Argus. Not exactly the brightest bulb in the lamp.
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