MacCollister committed per TOS
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Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Since when is a 3 star the bottom of the board? The point is to build depth. Look at Bama, OSU, Clemson etc. They have roster full of 3 star players who develop as second string & make their front 7 two deep.
You want 4 stars along the front (maybe a 5 star if you are lucky) & solid 3 stars in the rotation.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
And you wonder why people think you are a lowlife.
I like the kid in terms of character and effort but his film does not impress. Perhaps he will be developed for the interior DL - he just is not athletic enough to be on the edge. He might be a good run stuffing DT. But, who is going to get after the QB?
Where are the starters coming from? On contending teams you look at kids evaluated at 5.9 or the composite equivalent. ND needs 6-8 of these prospects at minimum in each class. Offense is getting them all. The D needs a few dominant linemen.
Where are the starters coming from? On contending teams you look at kids evaluated at 5.9 or the composite equivalent. ND needs 6-8 of these prospects at minimum in each class. Offense is getting them all. The D needs a few dominant linemen.
So did Clemson, Auburn, Tennessee, Michigan State, Miami, VT & about 20 other programs.
So three of the top five teams in the country last year wanted him. (OSU, Clemson, MSU)
Since he committed to ND & has a year of HS left, do you think the staff told him what they want him to do before showing up anticipating what position he will play? (Like adding weight for DT)
fyi; look at the NC's - trying to explain away recruiting failure will not result in success on the field.
The teams who contend get the elite players. It is a fact; not perfect but darned near so!
Chase has a good point. Your expectations would be tempered if you looked at the 10-12 year recruiting results as related to the contending teams.
ND has work to do in completing this class; there are opportunities to get impact prospects for the D front 7.
But we are acting like we should turn down a 3 star who picks us? OSU, Clemson & MSU wouldn't turn him down.
I just think everybody is too negative. If we didn't get him some people would say "geez, we can't even get a 3 star!"
Besides, we have two 5* players right now who are upperclassmen who can't seem to figure it out? (Morgan, Redfield) So if BVG can't get it out of the 5* players we already have, it's all moot.
I don't put a lot of stock on reported 'offers' for two reasons: 1. every program offers a ton of kids but those offers aren't always actionable. And 2. Recruiting sites/analysts have to go on the word of the player about their offer list, and players are known to embellish.
Also, I don't expect all 5 star recruits to turn into superstars. Basically, you want as many highly rated recruits as possible, because the chance they will contribute *something* is much higher. It's a numbers game of regression. You recruit 100 kids over a 4 year cycle, 50% of them make the 2 deep, 25% turn into starters, and maybe 5% turn into superstars. Football programs have a much higher hit rate with players that are higher up on the ratings ladder (this kid is a 5.6 rivals 3 star, we have maybe 2 or 3 players on the entire roster who were rated that low who cracked NDs 2 deep).
Max Redfield for all the grief he gets from the ND fan base is one of the best players on the team heading into the 2016 season.
Also, I don't expect all 5 star recruits to turn into superstars. Basically, you want as many highly rated recruits as possible, because the chance they will contribute *something* is much higher. It's a numbers game of regression. You recruit 100 kids over a 4 year cycle, 50% of them make the 2 deep, 25% turn into starters, and maybe 5% turn into superstars. Football programs have a much higher hit rate with players that are higher up on the ratings ladder (this kid is a 5.6 rivals 3 star, we have maybe 2 or 3 players on the entire roster who were rated that low who cracked NDs 2 deep).
Max Redfield for all the grief he gets from the ND fan base is one of the best players on the team heading into the 2016 season.
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Lowlife? More like a certifiable idiot.
No the kid is a take; and for the reasons you stated. And if he develops into a DT he may be a 'find'.
The elite prospects have not been climbing all over themselves to play at ND or for BVG.
(Morgan was a 4*)
It is hard to tell what Redfields issues are since the entire D seems to display issues at some point in games.
ND will be in the 2nd tier, behind the genuine contenders, until the defensive recruiting goes up a notch!
The offense cannot carry the team by itself when matched up against the top 6-8 teams.
That said, the ND staff is recruiting like heck, but the kids have other priorities.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
A 3 star from Florida is like a high 4 star from most parts of the Country.
Recruiting defensive players from the South is critical.
Recruiting defensive players from the South is critical.
For me, we need to worry more about the other teams right now. We show up for big games (FSU, Clemson, USC, Stanford). We need to start dominating the average teams like WF, BC, Virginia, Temple...
We have enough 4* players & overall talent to dominate those teams man on man. Even if we beat Stanford we don't make the playoff because of our (weak) WINS over WF & BC.
When you play top 5 it's scheme & coachng. When you play unranked teams it's my best guys against yours, man on man (Holtz style).
stars sometimes matter, sometimes not. Jaylon smith was a top 5 player in the nation - lived up to the hype. Will Fuller was listed by espn as the 172nd best wr in the country. Maybe Macollister will be great, maybe not. I'm not overly thrilled by the commitment, but i'm not turning my nose up at it either. Hope he can come in and develop.
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This is where NDs recruiting success is over stated.
It isn't just about having several 4 & 5 star players on your first teams (NDs best 10-15 players can compete with almost any team's best 10-15 players in the country). What *really* separates those modern super power programs is the next 60-70 players on the bottom of the roster.
Having that kind of depth is what is required to blow out mediocre teams consistently, and to get those really high winning percentages (where it's an almost certainty your team will win every week, regardless of who is healthy, regardless of the opposing team's strengths/weaknesses, etc.).
The depth is what ND desperately needs to close the gap/level the playing field.
ND is obviously not up to your standards. Please find another team to pull for.
He will get his fourth star during this next season and then he will become an overnight success in the eyes of some. Great film and great offer list, great job by staff, and very happy to welcome MacCollister to the ND family.
NDA
sorry, I did not see the ? about position projection for Mac. My guess is all the staff wants the kid to do is focus on (1) classes (2) to work on overall conditioning and getting physically stronger, not necessarily bigger. Once the staff is hands on they can develop the kid according to how they evaluate his position.
My statement is just 'my best guess' as to where I think that staff evaluation will take him.
Ara
(fyi: I just try to be unbiased and objective when looking at the prospect; not a fan nor a critic, just what I see; my opinion)
not sure if you need to watch more film or stop watching at all (wasting your time).
My take: Mac can develop as an interior DT (which is a need). Actually Scout shows him in the OL prospect grouping. JMO: He just is not athletic enough to play outside.
And you are correct that Carter and Young are likely weekend commits.
On the defensive side of the ball:
wrap your mind around the idea that if you are recruiting at a composite level in the mid 80's
and the teams you are trying to catch to compete with are recruiting at the mid to high 90 level, that is a significant talent gap. Ultimately this will translate on the field of play; especially in head to head play. You will likely try to put some spin on this but the problem your reply will face is 'actual results'.
I am still hopefull that the weekend will bring a couple of commitments from 'elite' rated prospects; even if they are on the offensive side of the ball!
sorry, I did not see the ? about position projection for Mac. My guess is all the staff wants the kid to do is focus on (1) classes (2) to work on overall conditioning and getting physically stronger, not necessarily bigger. Once the staff is hands on they can develop the kid according to how they evaluate his position.
My statement is just 'my best guess' as to where I think that staff evaluation will take him.
Ara
(fyi: I just try to be unbiased and objective when looking at the prospect; not a fan nor a critic, just what I see; my opinion)
not sure if you need to watch more film or stop watching at all (wasting your time).
My take: Mac can develop as an interior DT (which is a need). Actually Scout shows him in the OL prospect grouping. JMO: He just is not athletic enough to play outside.
And you are correct that Carter and Young are likely weekend commits.
On the defensive side of the ball:
wrap your mind around the idea that if you are recruiting at a composite level in the mid 80's
and the teams you are trying to catch to compete with are recruiting at the mid to high 90 level, that is a significant talent gap. Ultimately this will translate on the field of play; especially in head to head play. You will likely try to put some spin on this but the problem your reply will face is 'actual results'.
I am still hopefull that the weekend will bring a couple of commitments from 'elite' rated prospects; even if they are on the offensive side of the ball!
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Did somebody just say that max Redfield is one of the best players on the team? If that's the case, unless he has improved by leaps & bounds, we're screwed.
He will probably be a 3-tech down the road. Has the frame to put on weight. Hopefully develops into a Isaac Rochell type. I know Rochell plays SDE but he has the ability to bump down to the 3. Looks to be a solid get. Above average athlete for an interior DL.
Looks like a real good prospect which all of these guys are at this time. Irish are fortunate to land him.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
What makes your opinion on watching film any better then Ara's? I would take Ara's knowledge about football any day over yours.
Ara
a few of us are viewing this prospect a bit more realistically. How he is developed and positioned will determine how he fares.
I place less emphasis on offer lists anymore a/c many are strategically formulated and even uncommitable.
I am no coach wannabe, but have seen enough football to think for myself, and I think with my brain not my heart.
"...The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?...."
Jer 17:9
a few of us are viewing this prospect a bit more realistically. How he is developed and positioned will determine how he fares.
I place less emphasis on offer lists anymore a/c many are strategically formulated and even uncommitable.
I am no coach wannabe, but have seen enough football to think for myself, and I think with my brain not my heart.
"...The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?...."
Jer 17:9
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Very impressive in the tape. Very athletic kid and is going to grow into the perfect size edge rusher. He has great speed for his size.
Definitely elite talent level. Number 1 or 2 in all the world? No. But there are only 1 or 2 of those every year. Does that make any of this guy less than elite? No. Especially at this age. Not just anyone can attract the attention of most every major CFB program.
With this coaching staff and the kids size, speed, and football skills, he should do well. Let's hope he can ignore the coming noise in the year ahead and keep working and improving.
And hopefully we can keep him all the way through the process. Lot's of other coach's are going to come poaching and they're all really good at it. They do it for a living on a very big stage for a reason.
Definitely elite talent level. Number 1 or 2 in all the world? No. But there are only 1 or 2 of those every year. Does that make any of this guy less than elite? No. Especially at this age. Not just anyone can attract the attention of most every major CFB program.
With this coaching staff and the kids size, speed, and football skills, he should do well. Let's hope he can ignore the coming noise in the year ahead and keep working and improving.
And hopefully we can keep him all the way through the process. Lot's of other coach's are going to come poaching and they're all really good at it. They do it for a living on a very big stage for a reason.
This is the kind of guy that coach Gilmore has traditionally taken one or two of every year at each of his stops. Gilmore is a great developmental coach and probably sees something in this kid that he can mold. I like the pick up and I think ND has to take guys like this that maybe cannot contribute right now but in 2 years can be a very solid player and has a chance to bud into a star. I like the pick up and I like the mentality of taking high motor guys with potential and building a program.
We have recruiting sites (like this one we are posting on) with staffs full of professional coaches/scouts that have actually had a chance to see the player in person in camps, compare his measurables/physical attributes, evaluate his film and rank him accordingly. That ranking is a consensus low 3 star across the industry.
Out of the ~80 scholarship athletes on NDs roster, there are maybe a couple of guys (total) with a rivals rating of 5.6 who will crack the 2 deep. This is a very low rated prospect and odds are heavily stacked against him ever making a contribution on the football field at ND. Moreover, this is a clear sign we are desperate for bodies along the DL and will take a commitment anywhere we can get it.
Next time we are facing OSU, Alabama, or any other power house college football program with a real running game/passing attack, and we can't get pressure on the QB, or stop the run, don't blame the coach/scheme, you blame the failures/lack of success on days like this in the off season.
Out of the ~80 scholarship athletes on NDs roster, there are maybe a couple of guys (total) with a rivals rating of 5.6 who will crack the 2 deep. This is a very low rated prospect and odds are heavily stacked against him ever making a contribution on the football field at ND. Moreover, this is a clear sign we are desperate for bodies along the DL and will take a commitment anywhere we can get it.
Next time we are facing OSU, Alabama, or any other power house college football program with a real running game/passing attack, and we can't get pressure on the QB, or stop the run, don't blame the coach/scheme, you blame the failures/lack of success on days like this in the off season.
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Ara
we can agree to disagre; however if you go back and re read the entire thread, you made a contentious post because you mis understood either by pre disposition or misunderstanding. Most of the comments are pretty middle of the line re the comit; the extended comments were mix of opinion and factual (since they are based on the past)
if you want to be noble - be so.
we can agree to disagre; however if you go back and re read the entire thread, you made a contentious post because you mis understood either by pre disposition or misunderstanding. Most of the comments are pretty middle of the line re the comit; the extended comments were mix of opinion and factual (since they are based on the past)
if you want to be noble - be so.
You should read the article posted on the Bama scout site about the breakdown of the roster during Saban's title years. The point it makes is that everybody looks at the number of 5* on the team & equate that to titles. But in reality about half of those 5* end up being average players. That they win with 4* players who are actually better than the 5* players & how many 3* players end up being All-American/NFL draftees. So it's not as easy as just saying Bama has the most 5* so that is why they win. There Oline a few years ago that dominated everyone had two 3* on it.
So you can't just write a guy off because he is a 3* player.
Fair enough but you can't ignore the empirical fact that they win the star rating game and national championships on a regular basis.
Those 3 star players beat out a handful of top nationally rated recruits to earn their spot though. Bama didn't have to play them because there weren't better options.
In NDs case, we were playing Justin Utupo (a 250 lber with middle linebacker measurables) at defensive tackle due to lack of any viable alternatives at certain points during the 2014 campaign.
And last year ND basically couldn't take sheldon day or isaac rochelle out of the game. This is why VanGorder still has a job, Brian Kelly knows that you can't win a game of chess with a board full of pawns.
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no not fair enough! there is competition at practice and for the umteenth time, all 4 stars are not alike!
losers look for explanations and excuses.
Bama has won or finished high in the recruiting rankins because they get high rated players! Bama has won championships.
Stop looking for but but but but! Who has won a NC and what was the recruiting that produced it?
When he gets a late 4th star like Fuller, Robinson and countless others did From Rivals he will then and only then become sufficient. If you're going to accept rivals rankings as truth then you also must accept his offer list. Again, if BK, Urban, Swinbey, Dantonio wanted him- end of story. This same assinine argument that ensues everytime a 3 star guy commits is insanity. Get a grip folks.
yea right ...go wet the bed!
Ara is at worst respectable, you on the other hand are 'continuously's brain dead biatch'
Ara is at worst respectable, you on the other hand are 'continuously's brain dead biatch'
