Kelly's card cost us again

[Buguit]

Kelly does some things very well ... offense looked great tonight .... but sadly in the end .... his coaching stupidity cost the team .... going for 2 to be up by 3 was not an option after the last TD because he chooses to be a riverboat gambler and choose the low % option before he has to

Waiting to hear that his card told him to be stupid

 

[SALittleGiant513]

You go for two then or there you still got to make it.

 

[CarmelIrish]

I hated

Kelly does some things very well ... offense looked great tonight .... but sadly in the end .... his coaching stupidity cost the team .... going for 2 to be up by 3 was not an option after the last TD because he chooses to be a riverboat gambler and choose the low % option before he has to

Waiting to hear that his card told him to be stupid

I hated the play call but those 2 points did not make a difference. So find something else to hate about.

 

[Fifthhorseman25]

The fumble in the red zone, the red zones woes, the missed tackling THOSE things cost us the game, not a card that you are obsessed with.

 

[hoopsstar12]

I agree with OP. Never ever go for 2 in the middle of the game. Especially when you are terrible in the red zone. Going for 2 should always be a last resort unless your offense is automatic in short yardage.

 

[Buguit]

Painful fact .... you don't chase points until you have to .... period .... going for 2 is a low % play .... teams make it less than 40 % of the time ... when you look at this stat you have to take into account all the teams that make it because they are good teams going against bad teams ..... and Stanford doesn't suck

It is a low % play and flat out stupid .... 9 times out of 10 it comes back to bit you in the arse when you go for it before you have to ... once again ...

Kelly did not learn his lesson after giving away the Clemson game .... No .... he thought he'd give away another one .... and he did .... this is the price of having a coach who thinks they know more than anyone else

 

[Buguit]

I agree with OP. Never ever go for 2 in the middle of the game. Especially when you are terrible in the red zone. Going for 2 should always be a last resort unless your offense is automatic in short yardage.

Thank you

 

[Fifthhorseman25]

Ok go complain about Brey now.

 

[CarmelIrish]

I agree going for 2 was stupid but can you guys ****ing add???? Those points did not matter.

 

[Buguit]

The fumble in the red zone, the red zones woes, the missed tackling THOSE things cost us the game, not a card that you are obsessed with.

These things affect the outcome .... yes .... and are things the coach (for the most part) can't control .... but going for 2 or not are the things that the coach can control .... and we can still win if the coach takes care of his end of the bargain .... these are not forced errors ... these are stupid ones

Physical mistakes are in a sense "forgiveable" .... mental errors (being stupid) ... especially from the head coach .... are not .... he gets paid millions to not be stupid

 

[Buguit]

I agree going for 2 was stupid but can you guys ****ing add???? Those points did not matter.

If we kick the extra point ... we are up one and will obviously go for 2 to be up 3 after the last TD .... that option was taken out of play because of coaching stupidity

That is 2nd grade math ... ????

 

[CarmelIrish]

These things affect the outcome .... yes .... and are things the coach (for the most part) can't control .... but going for 2 or not are the things that the coach can control .... and we can still win if the coach takes care of his end of the bargain .... these are not forced errors ... these are stupid ones

Physical mistakes are in a sense "forgiveable" .... mental errors (being stupid) ... especially from the head coach .... are not .... he gets paid millions to not be stupid

SERIOUSLY stfu we won 10 games.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Even if we have the option it doesn't mean we get the 2. Not sure why that is the one thing you pick other then the fact that you are still angry about the card explanation from the Clemson game.

 

[CarmelIrish]

Say it agai

If we kick the extra point ... we are up one and will obviously go for 2 to be up 3 after the last TD .... that option was taken out of play because of coaching stupidity

That is 2nd grade math ... ????

Listen you **** that play did not cost the game. You need to just shut the **** up. You have no clue about anything. Find something else to parse. I hated the 2 point choice but in the end it didn't matter.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

SERIOUSLY stfu we won 10 games.

Well that definitely proves your point

 

[CarmelIrish]

Well that definitely proves your point

You have something to say big man?

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Yeah man. You are getting really really angry at a dude who has an opinion that doesn't make a lot of sense but whether ND won 10 games or 15 games this season doesn't address his point.

 

[Buguit]

Say it agai

Listen you **** that play did not cost the game. You need to just shut the **** up. You have no clue about anything. Find something else to parse. I hated the 2 point choice but in the end it didn't matter.

I'm sorry that I know how to add 1's and 2's correctly and you don't ....

 

[CarmelIrish]

So

Yeah man. You are getting really really angry at a dude who has an opinion that doesn't make a lot of sense but whether ND won 10 games or 15 games this season doesn't address his point.

So what's his point then? Ya I agree going for 2 was not what I would have done. It had no affect on the game though. That seems like a stupid thing to bitch about. In fact there should be no bitching at period. We lost so many starters but won 10. We lost a lot last year and won less. Just be thankful we won 10.

 

[CarmelIrish]

I'm sorry that I know how to add 1's and 2's correctly and you don't ....

Then why the hell are you bitching like a little baby **** about a 2 point conversion that had no affect on the game??

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Ok

 

[CarmelIrish]

Ok

Ok what? ND lost. It wasn't because of a 2 pt conversion call. It was because of massive injuries to the team including our #1 CB.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Dude. I agree with you, I have agreed with you in this thread. I was just pointing out the logical fallacy of referencing the # of wins ND has this season as reason why Bugit's argument was stupid. Its a shitty loss but man its best to just chill...

 

[CarmelIrish]

Dude my point is with all these injuries we have 10 wins. Nobody should bitch about 10 wins. You get it? Got it? Good.

 

[NDinHouston]

This game was lost because once again we commit a turnover inside the redzone before the half. Another issue was not finishing drives with a TD. No matter what you still have to convert the 2pt. try at the end which is NO guarantee.

10-2 GREAT SEASON IRISH!
The injuries hurt down the stretch run of this season.

 

[CarmelIrish]

I agree about that turnover before the half. That was the difference. We're starting a sophomore though. You gotta take the good with the bad though. And Kizer did way more good.

 

[irishnumberone1]

If Kizer have no fumble then ND will win by 10.

 

[HuddleBurger]

If ND makes the 2 point conversion in the third quarter, they could have gone for 2 at the end of the game to make it a 4-point lead with 30 seconds left.

Alas, perhaps the problem is that ND hasn't converted a 2-point attempt in about 2 years...

 

[justacollegefan]

If we kick the extra point ... we are up one and will obviously go for 2 to be up 3 after the last TD .... that option was taken out of play because of coaching stupidity

That is 2nd grade math ... ????

WTF lol... so he shouldn't have gone for 2 pts because according to you we still had to go for 2 pts later in the game, like that makes any freaking sense! Also go back and watch that play, Kizer had someone down the middle open in the end zone and could have run it in easily, it was a good call with bad execution by Kizer which has happened a lot this year.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

I did not agree with going for 2 either, but it hardly cost us the game. There are plenty of secondary reasons why we lost. But when you score 36 points in football, you should win the game. When you have to defend just 25 seconds and 40 yards, you should win the game. Our defense clearly cost us the game. Why? Because we really don't have a defense. Our defense plainly sucks!

 

[BGI User 1596]

Kizer carrying the ball like a loaf of bread cost us the game - that was a huge opportunity lost - again bad fundamentals - should have been coached out of him after Boston College.

 

[Moochey53]

I do agree that Kelly does several things very well. I think he recognizes talent and recruits that talent very well. I think he develops the kids pretty well. The talent of the recruits emerges quickly and they contribute early. I do believe the kids play hard for him. The fact the Irish were flirting with a chance at a playoff spot after losing the starting QB, RB's, CB and others prove this to me.
On the negative side - I don't think he is very good with game strategy or making adjustments during the game. Kelly is very predictive and goes away from what is working in a game for no apparent reason. His game and play calling decisions are slightly above average but when critical decisions are needed - his have more of a negative impact than positive.
I see the same characteristics in both offense and defense. It has to be improved before ND can win another NC. Just my opinion.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Does Kelly's card say "you need to find a Defensive Coach" - if not its useless.

 

[Buguit]

Then why the hell are you bitching like a little baby **** about a 2 point conversion that had no affect on the game??

Had no effect?? .... I can't help you

You know what the irony about someone claiming another is b'ing like a baby is .... listen to yourself ....

 

[Buguit]

WTF lol... so he shouldn't have gone for 2 pts because according to you we still had to go for 2 pts later in the game, like that makes any freaking sense! Also go back and watch that play, Kizer had someone down the middle open in the end zone and could have run it in easily, it was a good call with bad execution by Kizer which has happened a lot this year.

There should be a football IQ test you have to take before posting on a football message board
Going for 2 is a low % play and a smart coach doesn't chase points and go for 2 until you absolutely have to .... take the extra point ... it's automatic

It was the difference between having a chance to go up by 3 and having zero chance

 

[Buguit]

I did not agree with going for 2 either, but it hardly cost us the game. There are plenty of secondary reasons why we lost. But when you score 36 points in football, you should win the game. When you have to defend just 25 seconds and 40 yards, you should win the game. Our defense clearly cost us the game. Why? Because we really don't have a defense. Our defense plainly sucks!

The fact that other plays help cost us the game SHOULD be obvious .... the difference is physical errors vs mental errors ..... as they say in sports .... one is forgivable and the other is not .... especially when that mental error is being stupid

 

[Buguit]

The fumble in the red zone, the red zones woes, the missed tackling THOSE things cost us the game, not a card that you are obsessed with.

You obviously don't understand the difference between a player making a physical mistake in the heat of the moment and a coach being stupid standing on the sidelines

 

[perseverare]

Kizer carrying the ball like a loaf of bread cost us the game - that was a huge opportunity lost - again bad fundamentals - should have been coached out of him after Boston College.

only way to get experience is to play into it. If every player played at DK's level the committee would have cancelled the playoffs and awarded ND the NC.

 

[justacollegefan]

There should be a football IQ test you have to take before posting on a football message board
Going for 2 is a low % play and a smart coach doesn't chase points and go for 2 until you absolutely have to .... take the extra point ... it's automatic

It was the difference between having a chance to go up by 3 and having zero chance

Youre an idiot.. what is the difference between going for 2 then or after the last TD? If you don't execute the play it is the same score. You act like we would be guaranteed 2 points after the last TD because according to you it was the better time to try it lol!!

 

[pumpbeef]

Dude. I agree with you, I have agreed with you in this thread. I was just pointing out the logical fallacy of referencing the # of wins ND has this season as reason why Bugit's argument was stupid. Its a shitty loss but man its best to just chill...

You are very slow regarding the sport of football but people on this board have accepted it so I guess I will let it pass..I suppose it is a family problem .......or slowness or touched......