Jim Harbaugh
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I always gave him his due. Starting with Stanford, as I live in the Bay Area and saw what he could do. His elevated them, leaving a foundation for Shaw that lasted a good while...remarkable for a team and school like Stanford.
Sure. San Francisco 49ers. Michigan. Chargers.
He's also to his credit evolved. Was sometimes too rah rah and not enough Xs and Os ironically. Be it college but especially pro level. He course corrected.
You're right...hard to argue with success.
Sure. San Francisco 49ers. Michigan. Chargers.
He's also to his credit evolved. Was sometimes too rah rah and not enough Xs and Os ironically. Be it college but especially pro level. He course corrected.
You're right...hard to argue with success.
Coaching makes a difference.
I had my doubts about Freeman because of his lack of experience, along with the quantum leap from a coordinator to a head coach, but he made a huge difference.
Irrespective of the outcome on the 20th he’s rebuilt Notre Dame into what appears to be a perennial powerhouse
Coaching makes a difference
It certainly does. As we keep discussing, Freeman is proving to be a great coach. But he also benefits from NIL & transfers & brand roster stabilization making ND stronger relative to others.
That is not an insignificant point. MF in my mind would have coached ND better than BK in that Alabama rout in the BCS, but still would have lost by a good clip...as you still need to within some distance of comparable talent.
With that gap having closed a lot, MF really can be deadly. I still think ND can beat Ohio State. I say Ohio State vs ND has 55:45 odds.
I'll take that...MF and the Irish can materialize of these 45% odds in 1 game...let Ohio State have the rest of the hypothetical series that will never be played to make it 55%!
He might have if he stayed.
Not to go off on a tangent...but I believe MI escaped even more punishment because the BIG asserted itself. Avoided the fate of USC and Miami to push an SEC agenda. Slap on the wrist...for violations paling relative to what the SEC long has institutionalized.
They went after Pete Carroll and succeeded. Removing the one true SEC killer at the time. Bush gets punished for rims or what not...but Cam Newton's Dad can get $250k with impunity? Ted Tebow can take ZERO classes his last semester in a major averaging a 3.7GPA when he had 3.4?
I love it. No more going forward with open paying and transfers. Pressing Harbaugh I believe will be the last stroke of selective hypocritical judgments by the NCAA...who runs a pretty sordid affair violating any semblance of a student athlete ideal.
He's an excellent coach but he's a weirdo and his program at Michigan cheated
According to Chase, ND has an enormous talent gap and can't possibly compete against the elite teams that are stacked with 5 star recruits. 😝
Whew, you're going full conspiracy theorist. Even harking back to Reggie Bush, 20 years ago, and the historic blue blooded USC Trojans, who were unjustly, or at least disproportionately persecuted by the hated SEC-loving CFB cabal, while godboy Tim Tebow was able to skate, and get away with significant academic irregularities or something. And only one of them had their heisman taken from them.
Maybe that's all true, I don't know. My impression or understanding, or memory of it, was that ND was behind USC and Pete Carroll's downfall. Or at least there was a ND alum that spearheaded the whole thing, and was the chief prosecutor or whatnot. Either working for the NCAA directly, which I would assume, or somehow was the driving force behind the investigation even as a private citizen, who perhaps the NCAA deputized and legally empowered to lead the charge. And the NCAA might have been wiling to happily look the other way, but this one ND person was not willing to let it drop, and the normally venal and complicit NCAA had to yield to this vindictive crusader lest their own credibility as a sanctioning body come into question. But maybe I'm totally wrong about that. I can't remember anymore, I guess I could google it.
True.
The NCAA went after USC and Pete Carroll because of USC’s steadfast refusal to cooperate and AD Mike Garrett’s arrogance.
USC got what they deserved.
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If he hadn't coached at Michigan he would only be a putz and a cheater!
This 100%. He got the hell out of Dodge quickly for a reason
I wouldn't use perennial powerhouse until 1. there's proof for it 2. The level of talent graduates to the first tier. And 3. Notre Dame isn't a double digit underdog to any team in the country.
Notre Dame has been in this very same spot as early as 2012/2013. If Notre Dame isn't competitive versus OSU in the national championship game what is gained from this season? A couple of top 10 wins? We're back stuck in the same spot we've been for the last three decades not having the upside to compete with the best teams in the country yet again.
I guess you need to learn how to count. ND is not a double digit underdog, the line is currently 9.5.
You really are dumb.
I'm ignoring the rest of your comment because it's absolute drivel.
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Truth be told, that poster should be ignored period.
I didn’t think that anybody could be that stupid, and then you proved me wrong
There are 134 division 1 teams
Only 12 made the playoffs, Notre Dame was one of them
Only two teams reach the final, Notre Dame was one of them
When you beat three of the top 12 teams in the country, you’re elite by any metric.
As to what’s been gained, how about beating top 12 teams and being in the championship game.
Upward trend and momentum have been gained
AND
RESPECT
What other university combines the academic standards maintained by Notre Dame and their record on the football field
NO ONE !
Notre Dame is very, very special ! ☘️
My point is is that we've been in this position several times over the last 10 years and we are not any closer to beating this level of team in 2024 then we were during the past several opportunities we've had in these postseason games.
Georgia and Penn State are good teams this year OSU is a great team this year
Notre Dame has beat good teams in the past it's been the great teams they've struggled against over and over and over again and based on the evidence they are going to struggle against this OSU team. So what is gained by being another championship level teams tackling dummy on national TV?
We already know Notre Dame isnt going to do anything organizationally to improve the talent level or leverage this season into a better level of talent so what is gained?
In what universe do you exist………… We just beat three of the top 12 teams
Notre Dame will not lower their academic standards, nor should they.
You just don’t get it !
Please provide proof when you start correlating Notre Dame's recruiting results with their academic standards
I'm so tired of nobody at the University being held accountable because of this card Notre Dame fans love to play.
If you get out recruited just say it's academic standards
If you get ran over on the field just say it's academic standards
If you lose to some s*** team you have no business losing too just say it's academic standards
Basically there's no accountability at Notre Dame because of academic standards
This is why you are a complete MORON.
If the elite recruits don't want to go to class and they just want to get paid and play football, Notre Dame is not going to play that game.
There have been several articles regarding this. It's been stated in each of these articles that ND has and is willing to pay via the collectives, the money is not the issue. The issue is these elite athletes coming out of HS don't want to go to class, real classes. Stop being a complete buffoon and ignoring the real issue. You're a f*cking idiot.
You want proof ?
OK, here’s your proof
Notre Dame‘s GSR rate is 99%
Georgia’s is 47 %
Case closed !
Even Ohio State 87% as of 2023, ND 99%
That's the difference of 11 football players on an 85 team roster not graduating, basically the elite athletes they have that would prefer not to go to school and simply play football. That could amount to half the starting offense and half the starting defense for OSU.
Notre Dame's GSR was 99% under Charlie Weis he successfully recruited five star players and top five classes in back to back to back years. If he could do it why can't the current regime do it?
Notre Dame has outdated philosophies and are cheap and won't pony up fair market value for high-end recruits this is common knowledge.
Where is your proof that it's not Notre Dame's cheapness/poor naive leadership that is preventing them from securing more top level recruits?
It was a different time. Transfer portal was different, only the SEC and USC were paying players under the table.
And even with all those supposed 5 stars he still failed. 3-7, 7-6, and 6-6. You are dumb because you don't realize that coaching and development are extremely important. Just shows how low your football IQ is. Just a dummy
There’s form and there’s substance.
Form is subjective ratings, substance is performance and Notre Dame has performed so well that they’re playing for the national championship in just a few few days.
Results are what counts !
Have someone explain that to you?
It's not a conspiracy. USC and Miami were hammed while the SEC got way with it. Even ND had some academic scandals, while SEC schools developed easy to pass degrees that obviated cheating.
NCAA let it fly. Selectively punishing. They fortunately had to open up NIL and transfers to make it fairer competition...I'd argue at gun point.
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My God why do you hate Notre Dame and yet spend so muchf***ing time here? Just go to hell!
Yes, according to the NCAA GSR report
But, you have to take a deeper dive and see what kind of classes they took
Oh, well I was talking about the USC Bush scandal, and I think maybe there was some other players, like Matt Lenient, maybe? And they came down hard on them. They got hammered! I don't know how you could look that up, probably not easy to google, and I will not use AI. I'm not going to pose the question, So tell me AI, was a ND alum personally involved, working for the NCAA, in the USC/Reggie Bush scandal and investigation? Maybe I should, to see if it could handle such a specific query.
And I will admit, I'm no student of the NCAA's enforcement history. As much as I utterly despise them. Certainly the SEC was cheating and paying players, fixing grades, doing everything and anything to run their programs. And I don't remember too many probations in the last few decades. But I can't remember.
