Total agreeance.... you have a good angle here ..... plus, the NFL may politely weigh in behind closed doors too.....
Its not "MILLIONS" but FSU has settled their title IX suit with Kinsmen
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Total agreeance.... you have a good angle here ..... plus, the NFL may politely weigh in behind closed doors too.....
Something so creepy about a grown man taking pleasure in a woman going through what she has been through to get some kind of recognition that what happened to her was wrong and shouldn't happen again.
Something very creepy about cgmr and his delight in this victim's trouble.
Something very creepy about cgmr and his delight in this victim's trouble.
Something is really creepy about you using multiple handles, making things up and forgetting who you are... There are a handful of people that know what happened.
The cross examinations will be interesting if it goes to trial.
Creepy is one of the nicer words ever used to explain such a piece of garbage like cgvr.
FSU folded because they did not want their dirty laundry out in front of the world. The fact that FSU's person responsible for this mess is a convicted felon should not be lost in this pitiful story and the reality of Winton is front of a jury having to tell the truth was too much to handle; so they paid out, the largest such pay off in history for a Title IX case.
Now, Winton will do the same.
FSU folded because they did not want their dirty laundry out in front of the world. The fact that FSU's person responsible for this mess is a convicted felon should not be lost in this pitiful story and the reality of Winton is front of a jury having to tell the truth was too much to handle; so they paid out, the largest such pay off in history for a Title IX case.
Now, Winton will do the same.
No. This is a classic case where you put your pride before principle. You backed Winston, backed No1e, and defended FSU, just so that you could battle with Argus, and try to punch holes in every post he made. Hope you learned something from this......
@Epictitus
@TimTerrific[/USER]
@BigFellaFan[/USER]
Don't forget:
@holy smoke
@argusman and a host of others.
This is a grown man that attended Maryville Teachers College because he didn't qualify to get into the University of Missouri. What kind of worm makes up different internet names and even talks with himself while hiding beneath his shell of internet anonymity?
Argie........... a whole lot like John Hinckley, Jr...........obsessed to the max. Estranged by family and all.
@TimTerrific[/USER]
@BigFellaFan[/USER]
Don't forget:
@holy smoke
@argusman and a host of others.
This is a grown man that attended Maryville Teachers College because he didn't qualify to get into the University of Missouri. What kind of worm makes up different internet names and even talks with himself while hiding beneath his shell of internet anonymity?
Argie........... a whole lot like John Hinckley, Jr...........obsessed to the max. Estranged by family and all.
Back on topic, if you are waiting for Mo1e, forevernole or a creep like cgvr to now admit that they were wrong your dreaming.
Winton's settlement will come because it must. There is no conceivable way a defense attorney will allow him to testify under oath because it would force him to lie about what he did to the young lady. That, lying, would open the door to a perjury indictment and new testimony could bring criminal charges because double jeapordy does not apply as the fix was in and he was never charged.
Will they then admit Winton is the rapist we all know him to be? Not likely!
Winton's settlement will come because it must. There is no conceivable way a defense attorney will allow him to testify under oath because it would force him to lie about what he did to the young lady. That, lying, would open the door to a perjury indictment and new testimony could bring criminal charges because double jeapordy does not apply as the fix was in and he was never charged.
Will they then admit Winton is the rapist we all know him to be? Not likely!
It will still just come down to his word against hers unless a smoking gun plaintiff witness was hiding in the closet. So even if a jury or judge decides who they believe more than the other, which is how civil court works, you're still never really going to know what happened, or who was lying or telling the truth. And the court's decision, one way or another is not cause for a perjury charge, unless there's irrefutable evidence one of them knowingly lied. And that's not going to happen unless one of the parties changes their tune and fesses up to lying, which is another thing that's never going to happen. You have some wild fantasy as to how this is going to play out that is total dream world.
What are you 12? The Tampa Bay Bucs are not going to allow their starting QB to spend days in court testifying in a rape suit. One that has caused a Title IX investigation at the defendants school and resulted in a million dollar payment already to the victim. Sundays would be a circus with the protesting at the games.
You're an idiot. Just like Winston.
You're an idiot. Just like Winston.
It will never get to a court! Just like FSU knew they were wrong, Winston knows what happened and will never run the risk of the truth being known.
Keep in mind, this is still just the start, the Title IX investigation continues and penalties against FSU will be forthcoming, this is only the Winston judgement.
Keep in mind, this is still just the start, the Title IX investigation continues and penalties against FSU will be forthcoming, this is only the Winston judgement.
That is called flat out lying. I have written that their AD is an ND grad and that a senior ND executive has spent time there. I have also accurately accounted how Holtz others felt about Bowden....
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You just don't get it (which shouldn't surprise a single person on this board). The truth is NOT GOING TO BE KNOWN, unless one of the two parties admits to lying and concedes that the other party is telling the truth. Do you honestly think there's any chance of that happening? When a civil judge or jury decides who's story they believe more than the other, that doesn't make one person's story true and the other's false.
Why would a trial increase the probability of protests at Bucs games related to Winston? Everyone already knows the accusations.
This post shows my typical contributions to your nonsense....
FSU slammed for covering up Winston rape!
Discussion in 'Under the Dome' started by BigFellaFan, Dec 5, 2015.
https://notredame.forums.rivals.com/threads/fsu-slammed-for-covering-up-winston-rape.54005/
Even if you're 90% sure you will prevail in court, that 10% chance of losing would be an epic problem for the Bucs should it happen. Your franchise QB is now toxic for the franchise, and you need to start over again. If you are the Bucs, this is a case where settling, with no admission of guilt, is the best course of action regardless of how sure you are of winning the case.
"I think it's prudent to let it play out in court....this article is interesting...the plot thickens...
"In a ruling issued Tuesday, U.S. District Court Judge Anne C. Conway denied Kinsman's motion to dismiss Winston's claim of defamation but granted one to dismiss his claim of tortious interference.
"The Court rejects Mr. Winston's argument that his tortious interference count is legally independent from his defamation claims," Conway wrote. "The tortious interference count is based squarely on the alleged defamatory statements. Throughout the tortious interference count, Mr. Winston refers repeatedly to the 'False Statements,' and the allegations in that count make abundantly clear that he contends it is the 'False Statements' that have injured his professional reputation and his prospective business relationships."
"In reality, the alleged harms about which Mr. Winston complains in his tortious interference count are consequences flowing from the alleged defamatory statements."
"Conway denied a motion from Kinsman to dismiss Winston's claim of defamation, saying that his counterclaim is "inextricably intertwined" with Kinsman's complaint and therefore not barred by a two-year time limit for defamation claims.
The unnumbered 16 1/2 page "Preliminary Statement" that precedes Mr. Winston's actual answer to the complaint is an argumentative, free-flowing narrative that attacks Ms. Kinsman and her version of events," Conway wrote."
"Frankly, it reads like a closing argument. It was obviously penned more for the consumption of the court of public opinion than for this Court and the other participants in this case. The Court cannot recall ever seeing such a remarkable and improper introduction to an answer. Structurally and legally, it is not part of Mr. Winston's answer and it has no place in his pleading."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...eis-winston-counterclaim-defamation/72324420/
84 cgvr, Nov 28, 2015
https://notredame.forums.rivals.com...-rape-cover-ups-at-florida-state.50648/page-3
There is probably a 99% chance that Winston would be found at least partially guilty high would result in damages for the young lady. Hat OU.d make anyone think h was not guilty.
Just ask yourself why the tape of the event was destroyed. Do you think that would have happened if it vindicated Winston?
Just ask yourself why the tape of the event was destroyed. Do you think that would have happened if it vindicated Winston?
All should remember that Winston is a proven liar!
- When he first was accused of stealing crab legs he said he "forgot to pay and just walked out."
- Hen Jim Harbaugh asked him about the event he stated, "It was a set up, Publix allowed me to take whatever I wanted as an FSU football player."
I tend to believe the latter, but one way or another he was lying so why would anyone doubt the two omen who said he took advantage of them?
- When he first was accused of stealing crab legs he said he "forgot to pay and just walked out."
- Hen Jim Harbaugh asked him about the event he stated, "It was a set up, Publix allowed me to take whatever I wanted as an FSU football player."
I tend to believe the latter, but one way or another he was lying so why would anyone doubt the two omen who said he took advantage of them?
I can think of several reasons without even burning any brain cells, some nefarious, some not. It's certainly not evidence of anything.
OK, the tape was made. It was not destroyed until after the athletic department told Winston and Winstons attorney of the accusation BEFORE Winston was asked to answer the polic departments questions. Obviously the attorney knew what was on the tape and if it could calm the storm he knew was coming do you think it is anyway feasible he would have had the evidence destroyed?
Let's not be stupid here or we will think you are Mo1e.
Let's not be stupid here or we will think you are Mo1e.
Ok, that still doesn't answer the question. You say "it would be a circus" because of protests. It wasn't a circus at FSU when the accusations came out and it wasn't a circus this year in Tampa, how does an actual trial change things?
It wasn't a circus at FSU??????? Really, I guess you weren't paying attention. It is always a "circus" at FSU as it is one of their strongest degrees and the whole time Inston was at FSU it as just a circus moving from one ring o another.
It wasn't a circus at FSU when the accusations came out
Go back to school kiddo. Maybe learn a trade. That way you can get a job and learn how the real world works.
Go back to school kiddo. Maybe learn a trade. That way you can get a job and learn how the real world works.
Do you have a source for when the tape was destroyed?
Also are those players represented by the same attorney as Winston? (I don't actually know)
Whats the basis for believing the attorney saw the tape?
Well you are talking about two different things. In the context of the actual conversation "being a circus" would involve protests, boycotts, wide scale campaigns against FSU for not suspending Winston etc... none of that really happened.
Ok, I will go back to school but can you just answer the question? Its a simple question, you have an opinion and I am just asking for the basis of it.
Ok, I'll tell you what. I'll give you a chance to make your case. Can you tell me when the last time a major american sports figure testified in a rape case?
Bonus points for starting QB.
Bonus points for simultaneous federal Title IX charges against the school.
Bonus points if his friends videotaped it.
You see, the world isn't Tallahassee, or Tampa.
Look, you decided he was guilty long ago, and there's nothing anyone is going to say that will change your mind, or even get you to admit you don't really know whether he's guilty, which everyone else seems to have no problem admitting. If this girl breaks down at the trial and recants her story, you will still be 100% convinced he's guilty, without an iota of doubt. And if he settles you will be 100% positive it's an admission of guilt, even though anyone who has ever dealt with the legal system knows you cannot make that assumption. So it's kind of pointless for you to be in these discussions where people who are actually level headed, and have no personal stake in his guilt or innocence (maybe you do if you're a Bucs fan, do we have any Bucs fans on here?) discuss the possible strategies, nuances and outcomes of the case. You are insanely blinded by your hatred of FSU and anything related to FSU, so nobody takes anything you say seriously. It destroys any credibility you might have had, assuming you had any to start with. It actually even makes people less likely to believe what may be a worthy argument, just because it came from you. Because not one iota of what you say can be believed or taken seriously. That's your legacy on this board.
So you want me to disprove the negative of your statement when refuse to answer the initial question which is what is the basis for you affirmative statement that it will be a circus. Everyone has already read about all that stuff. Everyone knows the accusations that being made, that were made. What new information do you believe will change the public's response?
The most recent high profile rape case in sports was the Vandy case where there was barely any blip on the national radar related to that trial. I know, you are going to say "major American sports figure" and off the top of my head you will have to go back to Tyson probably. Again no one protested his fights. The Ravens took surprisingly little heat when Ray Lewis killed a dude. If you think the Public all of a sudden is going to start caring even more then they don't right now why is that?
To set the record straight on that, pretty much nobody in Atlanta ever thought Ray Lewis killed that guy. But they were pretty sure it was one of his posse mates and Ray knew exactly who did it.
Now that you mention it, I bet Argus thinks about U of Miami pretty much like he thinks of FSU. He would have been 100% sure Ray Lewis did it.
I don't know of anyone who thinks that Ray Lewis actually murdered the two people that night. But, most everyone assumes, given the evidence as well as him sitting in jail and paying a fine to make it go away, thinks that Zlewis knew who did murder the people and because he refused to cooperate they went free. Therefore Lewis is a pig!
I don't care what you do. You are asking me to prove or disprove.
I will say your argument would work well on convincing a dunce like JW to continue fighting each case. Like I said, next GF leaves, cut a check. Next girl goes, cut a check. For the rest of his productive life.
Great for his lawyer, no doubt. But the guy is a dunce.
"Thus do I ever make my fool my purse."
It's ok that you don't care, we won't hold it against you, but it's just the way logic works.
I don't think he should or will go to trial but the reasons for that are not going to be the Bucs owners' fear of protests.
I don't think he should or will go to trial but the reasons for that are not going to be the Bucs owners' fear of protests.
