It is in Coach Longo's hands now.

[Bodizephax]

Coach Longo has done a great job getting the players fit for 2016.

Notre Dame is turning out a lot of NFL players who have developed NFL bodies under Coach Longo.

True Freshman like Josh Adams are coming out of the gate ready to rumble.

The Irish haven't been losing games because they are soft like previous regimes--- they just get lost in BVGs maze of riddles and algorithms.

And I have been working out my whole life under crazy unorthodox workouts that have no rhyme or reason and I have played all kinds of sports like football wrestling track and field. Marine corps training and run all kinds of obstacle courses and I never have got a serious injury--- Could it be that sh&t happens and players get injured due to out of control circumstances ? Could it not be the strength coaches fault?

I am not bringing this up for a argument on who is stupid or not. I am bringing it up for arguments to bring knowledge to the board. Surely some of you out there have a physical therapy or physical education or medical background who could shed some light on how Notre Dames strength and conditioning is doing under Coach Longo and if these injuries the last couple of years could be just variances from the norm or else could be tied to Longos conditioning program.

I remember when I was at Paris Island for recruit training we had 54 guys at the start and 36 guys at the end--most were injuries. Broken arms and ankles and twisted knees. Next man in. I had a slightly torn lst muscle but I perservered--- I did not want to be held back so I learned how to do pullups onehanded to take stress off the injury and it worked-- I was able to use both arms for my PFT at the end of training.

 

[cgvr]

Coach Longo has done a great job getting the players fit for 2016.

Notre Dame is turning out a lot of NFL players who have developed NFL bodies under Coach Longo.

True Freshman like Josh Adams are coming out of the gate ready to rumble.

The Irish haven't been losing games because they are soft like previous regimes--- they just get lost in BVGs maze of riddles and algorithms.

And I have been working out my whole life under crazy unorthodox workouts that have no rhyme or reason and I have played all kinds of sports like football wrestling track and field. Marine corps training and run all kinds of obstacle courses and I never have got a serious injury--- Could it be that sh&t happens and players get injured due to out of control circumstances ? Could it not be the strength coaches fault?

I am not bringing this up for a argument on who is stupid or not. I am bringing it up for arguments to bring knowledge to the board. Surely some of you out there have a physical therapy or physical education or medical background who could shed some light on how Notre Dames strength and conditioning is doing under Coach Longo and if these injuries the last couple of years could be just variances from the norm or else could be tied to Longos conditioning program.

I remember when I was at Paris Island for recruit training we had 54 guys at the start and 36 guys at the end--most were injuries. Broken arms and ankles and twisted knees. Next man in. I had a slightly torn lst muscle but I perservered--- I did not want to be held back so I learned how to do pullups onehanded to take stress off the injury and it worked-- I was able to use both arms for my PFT at the end of training.

" I neverhave got a serious injury--" listen soldier, didn't you break your hand in an altercation with an appliance?
Longo is wrongo. He and bvg should be shown the door..... If not I will warn the authorities about more possible appliance abuse.

 

[michigaNDer#1]

Coach Longo has done a great job getting the players fit for 2016.

Notre Dame is turning out a lot of NFL players who have developed NFL bodies under Coach Longo.

True Freshman like Josh Adams are coming out of the gate ready to rumble.

The Irish haven't been losing games because they are soft like previous regimes--- they just get lost in BVGs maze of riddles and algorithms.

And I have been working out my whole life under crazy unorthodox workouts that have no rhyme or reason and I have played all kinds of sports like football wrestling track and field. Marine corps training and run all kinds of obstacle courses and I never have got a serious injury--- Could it be that sh&t happens and players get injured due to out of control circumstances ? Could it not be the strength coaches fault?

I am not bringing this up for a argument on who is stupid or not. I am bringing it up for arguments to bring knowledge to the board. Surely some of you out there have a physical therapy or physical education or medical background who could shed some light on how Notre Dames strength and conditioning is doing under Coach Longo and if these injuries the last couple of years could be just variances from the norm or else could be tied to Longos conditioning program.

I remember when I was at Paris Island for recruit training we had 54 guys at the start and 36 guys at the end--most were injuries. Broken arms and ankles and twisted knees. Next man in. I had a slightly torn lst muscle but I perservered--- I did not want to be held back so I learned how to do pullups onehanded to take stress off the injury and it worked-- I was able to use both arms for my PFT at the end of training.

Lol. I was our guide-on and always expected to be first to finish. I had such bad shin splints, etc, I was dying. I would limp after any run or exercise. Anytime I was asked if anything was wrong I'd answer, "Sir, no Sir!". Nobody wants the med shed.

 

[cgvr]

From my Irish cave down here in Kentucky I see a lot of injuries happening because of miserable luck. We should have invited the Pope to visit ND and bless the football team, stadium, and facilities. The nasty old injury bug has made a home at ND and we need to shew it on down the road. Injuries are apart of the game.

God is punishing us for installing field turf, rock jock music, and with the video board/video ribbons pending I expect a lightening bolt...........

 

[NDCap]

I wonder if more skill position players are going to wear knee braces. IMO technology is going to come up with a less restrictive knee brace . We see all the olinemen wear them. Adams wore his all year long. Will Tranquill, Folston and others that have had ACL's wear them ?

 

[Telx1]

Bodi, is this serious technical question directed to your distinguished colleagues or your idiots? ND sure as hell should have a Strength and conditioning coach and medical staff totally on board with any and all state of the art options.

 

[kellys heroes 35]

Tex --

Just more internet drivel . ND football is a huge business the notion that some internet hacks would suggest and even entertain discussion that ND's conditioning and medical staff might be doing something to make the players more susceptible to knee injuries is beyond absurd .

To assume or suggest this possibility is insulting to any reasonable person . Morons sitting at a keyboard communicating some sick figment of their own imagination is the genesis of this thread .

Idle minds are the devils workshop pertains here .

 

[artemis gordon]

Coach Longo has done a great job getting the players fit for 2016.

Notre Dame is turning out a lot of NFL players who have developed NFL bodies under Coach Longo.

True Freshman like Josh Adams are coming out of the gate ready to rumble.

The Irish haven't been losing games because they are soft like previous regimes--- they just get lost in BVGs maze of riddles and algorithms.

And I have been working out my whole life under crazy unorthodox workouts that have no rhyme or reason and I have played all kinds of sports like football wrestling track and field. Marine corps training and run all kinds of obstacle courses and I never have got a serious injury--- Could it be that sh&t happens and players get injured due to out of control circumstances ? Could it not be the strength coaches fault?

I am not bringing this up for a argument on who is stupid or not. I am bringing it up for arguments to bring knowledge to the board. Surely some of you out there have a physical therapy or physical education or medical background who could shed some light on how Notre Dames strength and conditioning is doing under Coach Longo and if these injuries the last couple of years could be just variances from the norm or else could be tied to Longos conditioning program.

I remember when I was at Paris Island for recruit training we had 54 guys at the start and 36 guys at the end--most were injuries. Broken arms and ankles and twisted knees. Next man in. I had a slightly torn lst muscle but I perservered--- I did not want to be held back so I learned how to do pullups onehanded to take stress off the injury and it worked-- I was able to use both arms for my PFT at the end of training.

Wooooooo nelly are you telling me you are a former marine? Parris Island is in S. Carolina and Paris is in France.

 

[Telx1]

Kelly, my point is nothing constructive can be suggested here that the staff are not already aware of, etc... It's possible they are aware and just set in their ways, and that they should be replaced. Don't know. While some may argue this topic is no different than Fans discussing scheme, etc... I think it is different. We can see and critique scheme and play calling and time management, etc... But we can't see what coach Longo and his staff do with the players, etc... Bodi specifically was directing his post to professionals with experience and knowledge in this area, and so not really as characterized. But of course we all know that everyone has opinions, and those would ensue; thus my OP.

 

[cgvr]

Tex --

Just more internet drivel . ND football is a huge business the notion that some internet hacks would suggest and even entertain discussion that ND's conditioning and medical staff might be doing something to make the players more susceptible to knee injuries is beyond absurd .

To assume or suggest this possibility is insulting to any reasonable person . Morons sitting at a keyboard communicating some sick figment of their own imagination is the genesis of this thread .
Idle minds are the devils workshop pertains here .

 

[BDIrish]

Coach Longo has done a great job getting the players fit for 2016.

Notre Dame is turning out a lot of NFL players who have developed NFL bodies under Coach Longo.

True Freshman like Josh Adams are coming out of the gate ready to rumble.

The Irish haven't been losing games because they are soft like previous regimes--- they just get lost in BVGs maze of riddles and algorithms.

And I have been working out my whole life under crazy unorthodox workouts that have no rhyme or reason and I have played all kinds of sports like football wrestling track and field. Marine corps training and run all kinds of obstacle courses and I never have got a serious injury--- Could it be that sh&t happens and players get injured due to out of control circumstances ? Could it not be the strength coaches fault?

I am not bringing this up for a argument on who is stupid or not. I am bringing it up for arguments to bring knowledge to the board. Surely some of you out there have a physical therapy or physical education or medical background who could shed some light on how Notre Dames strength and conditioning is doing under Coach Longo and if these injuries the last couple of years could be just variances from the norm or else could be tied to Longos conditioning program.

I remember when I was at Paris Island for recruit training we had 54 guys at the start and 36 guys at the end--most were injuries. Broken arms and ankles and twisted knees. Next man in. I had a slightly torn lst muscle but I perservered--- I did not want to be held back so I learned how to do pullups onehanded to take stress off the injury and it worked-- I was able to use both arms for my PFT at the end of training.

You are SPOT on!! Coach Turley from Stanford uses these 'unorthodox' training methods and injuries have gone down 87%!! I am a Masters degree in Ex Phys and certification in NASM-PES, NASM-CES and NSCA-CSCS and I personally think Longo's training is CONTRIBUTING to the massive amount of injuires. I partially blame Folson, Tranquil and Smith's injuries to his training methods!! ALL were NON contact injuries that are highly preventable!! Unless we 'recruit' a 5* Strength Coach, we will continue to have season ending injuries along with 'red zone' problems because of our lack of "Power' not the 'pure strength' but the 'functional strength!!

 

[BDIrish]

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Bodi, is this serious technical question directed to your distinguished colleagues or your idiots? ND sure as hell should have a Strength and conditioning coach and medical staff totally on board with any and all state of the art options.

should but they DONT'

 

[BDIrish]

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Not on purpose just uneducated in this arena!! Kelly doesn't value a 5* Strength coach. Remember a few years back Kelly FINALLY valued a Nutritionist!!

 

[BDIrish]

Tex --

Just more internet drivel . ND football is a huge business the notion that some internet hacks would suggest and even entertain discussion that ND's conditioning and medical staff might be doing something to make the players more susceptible to knee injuries is beyond absurd .

To assume or suggest this possibility is insulting to any reasonable person . Morons sitting at a keyboard communicating some sick figment of their own imagination is the genesis of this thread .

Idle minds are the devils workshop pertains here .

Ok explain to me my why injuries at Stanford drop 87% after Turley, their strength Coach took over!!!

 

[BDIrish]

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Explain why injuries dropped 87% at Stanford after their Strength coach took over?? 87% in the "Science world' would be called 'significant'!!

 

[BDIrish]

Kelly, my point is nothing constructive can be suggested here that the staff are not already aware of, etc... It's possible they are aware and just set in their ways, and that they should be replaced. Don't know. While some may argue this topic is no different than Fans discussing scheme, etc... I think it is different. We can see and critique scheme and play calling and time management, etc... But we can't see what coach Longo and his staff do with the players, etc... Bodi specifically was directing his post to professionals with experience and knowledge in this area, and so not really as characterized. But of course we all know that everyone has opinions, and those would ensue; thus my OP.

Coach Longo should be under the same scrutiny as the rest of the staff!! I personally believe that his training is contributing to the massive amount of injuries. There is a 'science' behind injury prevention. If you doubt me, Masters in Exercise Phys and certified in NASM-PES, NASM-CES, and NSCA-CSCS, then please explain to me scientifically how Stanford reduces their injuries by 87% after their strength coach takes over?? 87% is in the 'Science world' SIGNIFICANT!!!

 

[Bodizephax]

Wooooooo nelly are you telling me you are a former marine? Parris Island is in S. Carolina and Paris is in France.

I hear you Florists are a tough breed.

 

[twalsh]

I wonder if more skill position players are going to wear knee braces. IMO technology is going to come up with a less restrictive knee brace .

It's hard to get skill guys to even wear pads in their pants, lest they lose 1000th of a second off their sprint time. Don't count on them wearing knee braces.

 

[kellys heroes 35]

Tex -

I smell conspiracy theory nonsense with threads like this .

I'm happy for Stanford that they have figured out a way of reducing injuries by 87% -- total horseshit

 

[Bodizephax]

Tex -

I smell conspiracy theory nonsense with threads like this .

I'm happy for Stanford that they have figured out a way of reducing injuries by 87% -- total horseshit

You are such a little close minded Nazi.

 

[BDIrish]

Tex -

I smell conspiracy theory nonsense with threads like this .

I'm happy for Stanford that they have figured out a way of reducing injuries by 87% -- total horseshit

Obviously you are not in this business. Proof is in the pudding!!
In his eighth season on the Farm, Turley has revolutionized Stanford football's strength and conditioning program, notably slashing injury rates by 87 percent from 2006 to 2012. In particular, Turley has changed perceptions of how to train for football and prevent injuries; he focuses less on raw strength numbers and places an emphasis on balance and flexibility, notably incorporating yoga and Pilates into workouts.

 

[BDIrish]

Tex -

I smell conspiracy theory nonsense with threads like this .

I'm happy for Stanford that they have figured out a way of reducing injuries by 87% -- total horseshit

http://www.ruleoftree.com/2014/9/11...ioning-under-shannon-turley-benefits-on-field Here is a good read

 

[Telx1]

BDIrish, thanks for sharing this article. It is interesting. The table used to compare average starts lost due to injury over a multiple year timeframe seems a fair way to evaluate a team's success with injury prevention. Since Stanford is tied for 8th using this metric, I would be interested to learn what the other eight teams employ as Strength and conditioning techniques? What if these eight teams follow the same regimens as Longo? Or, is there a growing trend among these eight to embrace the Turley methods?

 

[kellys heroes 35]

Tex - My guess is that ND practices archaic S + C and that Kelly along with his whole staff have no comprehension of up to date systems of conditioning that would prevent injuries - given Kelly's blind loyalty to staff members ( Longo ) I suggest Kelly be dismissed and that we hire a yoga instructor asap and put her in charge of all things related to conditioning moving forward .

I have every confidence that when a 320 guy rolls up on one of our D Lineman that that lineman will be in good hands and will suffer no ill effects due to the Britney method . Likewise if one of our guys get dropped on his head or speared concussions will cease to exist moving forward @ ND due to improved breathing techniques garnered from the Britney factor .

 

[Telx1]

Funny post Kelly. As someone who has experienced 18 orthopedic surgeries in my 65 years, I've had my share of freak sports accidents that hardly seem preventable. I do think there is a correlation to the weight these guys carry and the strain this puts on their knees, and based on my experience, strengthening the quad muscles is the best way to add stability and protection for the knees, along with wearing a knee brace, all of which the big guys at ND do. I do believe yoga and Pilates are helpful in Recovery and regaining range of motion, etc... It would be interesting to compare S & C practices for the eight teams in addition to Stanford, along with the practices of the NFL teams. One thing we know about Kelly, he does network with several successful coaches and is not above picking their brains, etc... And you would have to believe that this subject is on his mind.

 

[end_23]

I'd be scared ######## having Longo as my coach. The odds of tearing up one of my knees would be above 50%. He is a jinx if not awful at his job.

 

[end_23]

It's hard to get skill guys to even wear pads in their pants, lest they lose 1000th of a second off their sprint time. Don't count on them wearing knee braces.

Has Kelly won a game at Stanford yet?

 

[cgvr]

Explain why injuries dropped 87% at Stanford after their Strength coach took over?? 87% in the "Science world' would be called 'significant'!!

BDI my response was to kellyzero...not you. Look at my earlier post "longo is wrongo". He blows and I'd bet a ton that there are major over usage issues related to our injuries .... To my knowledge longo's never won any accolade in the industry. Stanford is lapping us... Where are we at with virtual reality training...no where. We are we at with mental training...no where... that consists of being called a "motherf***ing moron" on a regular basis at practice.... just because you have training table doesn't mean you have a good one....

PS I know former and current players at Stanford (now NFL). They're dynamite....

 

[kellys heroes 35]

Funny post Kelly. As someone who has experienced 18 orthopedic surgeries in my 65 years, I've had my share of freak sports accidents that hardly seem preventable. I do think there is a correlation to the weight these guys carry and the strain this puts on their knees, and based on my experience, strengthening the quad muscles is the best way to add stability and protection for the knees, along with wearing a knee brace, all of which the big guys at ND do. I do believe yoga and Pilates are helpful in Recovery and regaining range of motion, etc... It would be interesting to compare S & C practices for the eight teams in addition to Stanford, along with the practices of the NFL teams. One thing we know about Kelly, he does network with several successful coaches and is not above picking their brains, etc... And you would have to believe that this subject is on his mind.

Having had two knee surgeries from overuse in tennis I am waiting for someone to come up with an exercise where you can bend your knees from the joint sideways to strengthen the tendons or ligaments -- not sure but last I checked the knee doesnt move that way and until it does knee injuries will play a major role in all sports --can't coach height and you can't move your knee joint laterally ergo -- knee injuries are part of the game

 

[BDIrish]

Having had two knee surgeries from overuse in tennis I am waiting for someone to come up with an exercise where you can bend your knees from the joint sideways to strengthen the tendons or ligaments -- not sure but last I checked the knee doesnt move that way and until it does knee injuries will play a major role in all sports --can't coach height and you can't move your knee joint laterally ergo -- knee injuries are part of the game

It is not your expertise, but there are several exercises to help prevent injuries and of course nothing is 100% but an 87% drop in injuries at Stanford is quite significant!! I know that Folson, Tranquil, and Smith's injuries were ALL 'non contact' season ending injuries that are preventable!!

 

[kellys heroes 35]

I'm still waiting for an MD to come on here and give his professional opinion on how to prevent knees injuries in football - the notion that anyone thinks ND has less knowledge of this than any other school is absurd and ridiculous ABSURD AND RIDICULOUS and is an insult to the staff members of the football program .

 

[Telx1]

If ND has a decent year injury wise next season, they will have damn near an 87% reduction in injuries!