Is Kizer better than golson??

[BGI User 348]

Pers I thought you might like this. I was really impressed with Kizer's speed and most QB runs last night. When EG ran I seem to remember fumbles. Compare Kizer to either 2012 or 2014 EG. Oh yeah I still hate EG's demeanor coming off the field! I Hope DK has his best games yet to play in 2015!

 

[artemis gordon]

Pers I thought you might like this. I was really impressed with Kizer's speed and most QB runs last night. When EG ran I seem to remember fumbles. Compare Kizer to either 2012 or 2014 EG. Oh yeah I still hate EG's demeanor coming off the field! I Hope DK has his best games yet to play in 2015!

What I like about Kizer is his poise and confidence,you can't teach that.

 

[perseverare]

compare DK to someone more worthy!

 

[BGI User 348]

compare DK to someone more worthy!

Sorry...you are right!!!

 

[Irish Grandeur]

compare DK to someone more worthy!

I would venture to say that Kizer is the best QB in the Kelly era. And, the job will likely stay his for as long as he plays for ND. He is a NFL talent, IMO.

 

[stu4don]

Imagine him in three years!

 

[Irish Grandeur]

With his size, speed, and acumen for the game of football, he likely won't be around for three more years.

 

[perseverare]

watched the TD to Will ovrr n over; perfect throw! less than perfect and the DB gets it!

 

[perseverare]

and I do think all three: MZ, BW and DK play next year.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

and I do think all three: MZ, BW and DK play next year.

Agree but MZ will prob make a position change (RB?) and BW in mop-up. All bets are off in case of injury.

 

[D_Master]

compare DK to someone more worthy!

you win the internet for the day, haha

 

[kellys heroes 35]

Pers I thought you might like this. I was really impressed with Kizer's speed and most QB runs last night. When EG ran I seem to remember fumbles. Compare Kizer to either 2012 or 2014 EG. Oh yeah I still hate EG's demeanor coming off the field! I Hope DK has his best games yet to play in 2015!

Please acknowledge Kelly for recruiting and coaching Kizer not the board nit wit - thanks 48 .

Kizer is a terrific player any association between him and an internet troll seems off to me .

I would venture to say that Kizer is the best QB in the Kelly era. And, the job will likely stay his for as long as he plays for ND. He is a NFL talent, IMO.

Kizer is the best ND has had in a long time . Maybe since Montana and Theisman . Clausen you say ?? Jimmy was 9-15 his last two yrs @ ND

His deep ball is the best I have seen in a long time - he can run the ball well . Just has to clean up some balls over the middle .

Two weeks ago I said Jones and Hunter will get more involved in the offense - glad it is happening . We need to take pressure off of Fuller - Hunter and Jones are just the ticket .

BTW - Kelly has 13 4th qtr comebacks in last 6 yrs the most of any coach in college football

echo flamer - perse and dead poet think Kelly is a bum .

 

[deadmanramsey]

Kizer has done better than I thought. Just needs to protect the ball better.

This is understandable for a rookie, but I'm starting to wonder if there is a systemic problem with interceptions. Going back to Rees, there has been an epidemic and it's coming in the red zone most times!

 

[Irish Grandeur]

BTW - Kelly has 13 4th qtr comebacks in last 6 yrs the most of any coach in college football.

Three have been this year with Kizer (UVA, USC, Temple) and nearly a fourth with Clemson. If he is this good with just six starts under his belt he could gets NFL scouts in hot pursuit next year since he could turn pro after his junior year.

 

[Pennick4]

Clausen is the most accurate passer I have ever seen play college football. He played with a crappy coach in charge and frequently got the "you know what" beat out of him. Kizer has the combination of a big arm and very good mobility. It is going to be great fun to watch him the next few years.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Yes

 

[perseverare]

both int's tipped or deflected by the WR are not on the QB.

 

[BGI User 348]

both int's tipped or deflected by the WR are not on the QB.

BK said one was on DK.....and it was. DK thought BOTH were....forced the 2nd into Fuller who did not use his hands. Now will he learn? Sure until he throws the next one! Just saw Big Ben throw a dumb INT....happens all the time.

 

[Telx1]

No question that Kizer has that ability to remain calm and excel under pressure. He is getting better on a weekly basis, and we need this to continue. He still misses wide open opportunities, but less each week. The one that stood out in the Temple game was the important first down completion to Brown on a left roll out, when Fuller was wide open deep. Hope to see him develop more confidence with passes to the corner in the red zone, but that requires a skilled receiver who can go up and get the ball when well defensed. Several candidates, but one needs to emerge as his go to receiver in short red zone circumstances. He'll never possess MZ's running ability, but he sure as hell can gallop when he gets going. Hard to believe that we are fretting over having three talented QB's all deserving of playng next year. Nice problem for a change!

 

[rgc7]

what an idiotic excuse to blame kelly! what should he have played safe and run the ball against the front 8 they had lined up the entire game? that first interception was terrible and no quarterback should be throwing like that. the second could have been a pass interference but it bounced off of fuller, was that kelly's fault as well? maybe he shouldn't let kizer throw as all now?

Pers I thought you might like this. I was really impressed with Kizer's speed and most QB runs last night. When EG ran I seem to remember fumbles. Compare Kizer to either 2012 or 2014 EG. Oh yeah I still hate EG's demeanor coming off the field! I Hope DK has his best games yet to play in 2015!

I really like Kizer, but based upon the limited time we saw Wimbush on the field, that kid may have more natural talent than Kizer ? Too bad that ND never has an easy game so that we never really get to see Wimbush get quality playing time as well as game time experience.
Nice to have two very talented QBs, just hope one doesn't leave
Because of lack of a real competition ?

 

[ndnd]

Three have been this year with Kizer (UVA, USC, Temple) and nearly a fourth with Clemson. If he is this good with just six starts under his belt he could gets NFL scouts in hot pursuit next year since he could turn pro after his junior year.

I am so impressed with Kizer he is the best since Montana and in many ways better . Bigger and better runner than Joe . Joe was a better passer but both are cool under pressure like Tom Brady

 

[kellys heroes 35]

No question that Kizer has that ability to remain calm and excel under pressure. He is getting better on a weekly basis, and we need this to continue. He still misses wide open opportunities, but less each week. The one that stood out in the Temple game was the important first down completion to Brown on a left roll out, when Fuller was wide open deep. Hope to see him develop more confidence with passes to the corner in the red zone, but that requires a skilled receiver who can go up and get the ball when well defensed. Several candidates, but one needs to emerge as his go to receiver in short red zone circumstances. He'll never possess MZ's running ability, but he sure as hell can gallop when he gets going. Hard to believe that we are fretting over having three talented QB's all deserving of playng next year. Nice problem for a change!

Beats the hell out of me why we played Wimbush at all and burned a year of his eligibility -- unless I absolutely had no choice I would have saved that year , especially given Kizer's success

 

[Telx1]

Kellyirsh, I'm sure the coaches agree with you about this now. Kizer may be the kind of player that just doesn't impress at practice and needs the pressure and excitement of games to perform; and they were not totally convinced as a result. The only other rational that makes any sense is they want two QBs with game experience, but they aren't getting BW any meaningful playing time, so that debunks that.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Please acknowledge Kelly for recruiting and coaching Kizer not the board nit wit - thanks 48 .

Kizer is a terrific player any association between him and an internet troll seems off to me .

Kizer is the best ND has had in a long time . Maybe since Montana and Theisman . Clausen you say ?? Jimmy was 9-15 his last two yrs @ ND

His deep ball is the best I have seen in a long time - he can run the ball well . Just has to clean up some balls over the middle .

Two weeks ago I said Jones and Hunter will get more involved in the offense - glad it is happening . We need to take pressure off of Fuller - Hunter and Jones are just the ticket .

BTW - Kelly has 13 4th qtr comebacks in last 6 yrs the most of any coach in college football

echo flamer - perse and dead poet think Kelly is a bum .

Let's not just dismiss Brady Quinn or Tony Rice or Kevin McDougal. Some success can also be attributed to the team and talent around you (both player and coach)

 

[IrishMike409]

Let's not just dismiss Brady Quinn or Tony Rice or Kevin McDougal. Some success can also be attributed to the team and talent around you (both player and coach)

Totally agree. I'm huge Kizer fan, and think that what he's been able to do is unreal. That said, lets not anoint him the best QB since Montana.

Why is everyone forgetting about Rick Mirer? My favorite ND QB ever.

 

[HRC08]

I would venture to say that Kizer is the best QB in the Kelly era. And, the job will likely stay his for as long as he plays for ND. He is a NFL talent, IMO.

He has the size, arm and intelligence to play at the next level. I'd be shocked if he didn't make a roster in 3 years. ND has a potential all time great on it's hands.

 

[mokpra37]

Kizer is far better than Golson in arm strength, touch on the ball and football intelligence. He also keeps his cool much better than Golson did, and that might be the most important difference of all.

I agree with HRC08, this kid has the potential to be something special.

 

[57Patrick]

Kizer appears to have that "leadership" quality that instills confidence in the team. He called an audible on the last touchdown pass according to Kelly. Kelly also said if you tell Kizer something once, he learns and doesn't make the same mistake. Golson did a lot of great things for ND, but at this point Kizer appears to have more confidence and upside.

 

[perseverare]

leadership there or not there; it is not a coachable.

 

[kellys heroes 35]

leadership there or not there; it is not a coachable.

we are having a football discussion please don't interrupt and go back to your halloween costume thread

 

[kellys heroes 35]

Tex ,
I would not have played him unless Kizer got hurt . Playing in clean up does nothing to get one ready for the bright lights - nothing . I am a huge Kelly guy just don't get burning a year .

 

[perseverare]

 

[PHJIndy]

Kizer is terrific but he needs to eliminate the TO's in the red zone. Two FG's would have been big in those two situations.
He's a class young man who will only get better!

 

[ajcgn]

Tex ,
I would not have played him unless Kizer got hurt . Playing in clean up does nothing to get one ready for the bright lights - nothing . I am a huge Kelly guy just don't get burning a year .

Can't they still redshirt Wimbush next year? That is, can a player sit out only his 1st year or can he redshirt any of years 1 to 4?

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Totally agree. I'm huge Kizer fan, and think that what he's been able to do is unreal. That said, lets not anoint him the best QB since Montana.

Why is everyone forgetting about Rick Mirer? My favorite ND QB ever.

IrishMike, good point on Mirer, my bad for not including him. He was a great QB at ND

 

[88ND]

Pers I thought you might like this. I was really impressed with Kizer's speed and most QB runs last night. When EG ran I seem to remember fumbles. Compare Kizer to either 2012 or 2014 EG. Oh yeah I still hate EG's demeanor coming off the field! I Hope DK has his best games yet to play in 2015!

He is better than Golson. truth be told I believe he is better than Malik as well.

 

[Quest4Twelve]

He is better than Golson. truth be told I believe he is better than Malik as well.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. While DK is performing well above anyone's expectations, Malik still gives the offense the ultimate multi-facet attack. Right now when a defense sells out against the run they are successful 90% of the time (est. stat) because they don't respect the zone read, option, etc. The red zone has been suffering without Malik back there.
Also, whomever said Kizer's arm is stronger than Golson's can't be serious. I think DK throws a more accurate deep ball but he needs to throw it on time for it to work.

 

[88ND]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. While DK is performing well above anyone's expectations, Malik still gives the offense the ultimate multi-facet attack. Right now when a defense sells out against the run they are successful 90% of the time (est. stat) because they don't respect the zone read, option, etc. The red zone has been suffering without Malik back there.
Also, whomever said Kizer's arm is stronger than Golson's can't be serious. I think DK throws a more accurate deep ball but he needs to throw it on time for it to work.

Huh? You can make this analysis on seeing Malik play 10 quarters?
Moreover Notre Dame has been red zone challenged for years.
Kizer is becoming very deceptive with the zone read. They are going to start playing him honest which will mean bigger gains for CJ.

Kizer is a better QB than Malik. I like Malik and hate saying that about someone who won the job but got injured.....but Kizer overall is much better QB. The whole package.

 

[Quest4Twelve]

Huh? You can make this analysis on seeing Malik play 10 quarters?
Moreover Notre Dame has been red zone challenged for years.
Kizer is becoming very deceptive with the zone read. They are going to start playing him honest which will mean bigger gains for CJ.

Kizer is a better QB than Malik. I like Malik and hate saying that about someone who won the job but got injured.....but Kizer overall is much better QB. The whole package.

Someone else made this comment but does DK make our weapons look good or do they make him look good? I will say the TD pass was a thing of beauty.

 

[Johnnie82]

Can't they still redshirt Wimbush next year? That is, can a player sit out only his 1st year or can he redshirt any of years 1 to 4?

Yes. if Wimbush does not play next year that can be his redshirt. they are doing that this year with a D-lineman, I think it is Jay Hayes.