Irish clearly do not control their own destiny

[melstew]

Teams that control their own destiny:
Clemson
Ohio State and Iowa
Baylor and Oklahoma State--the winner of this game will almost certainly jump the Irish and the Stanford game will not be enough for us to jump back given that the winner will be playing either TCU or Oklahoma
Alabama and Florida--either team will have run a gauntlet and will be a conference champ of the SEC)

Teams that need help that they will likely get, but obviously must run the table:
Irish--need one of the four things mentioned above not to occur, plus Stanford running the table would definitely help--Clemson running the table is a mixed bag. Also, Navy and Temple games going forward will be very interesting to Irish fans.
Stanford--same, plus Utah or Notre Dame running the table wouldn't hurt
Michigan St. Need two of the things mentioned in part one not to occur (sorry grammarians), or one of those things and for Stanford and Notre Dame to both lose.

Teams that need help that they probably won't get but could:
Oklahoma--similar to Michigan State, but would probably finish behind the Spartans in that scenario, need two of the ACC, Pac 12, big 10, or SEC to falter
Utah--needs Stanford to beat the Irish, and situation is very similar to that of Michigan State, Oklahoma, and North Carolina
LSU--needs Alabama loss
Houston-need a lot of bad things to happen to a lot of teams
TCU--see Oklahoma plus they need and an Oklahoma State loss
North Carolina--see Oklahoma and Michigan State, and Utah although they would probably be last of the four

College football is spectacular!

 

[john0gaunt]

What kind of idiot actually thinks the FBS would pick OK St over ND for a playoff? You do realize that ND brings a fan base bigger than all of the entire state of OK, right? And that is going to impact the number of viewers that watch the game right? And the TV network and FBS are going to make vastly larger sums of money if ND is in. You understand that, right?

ND just has to win out and they are in. As it always does, other than for one or 2 moments in a particular close game with crazy refs, ND controls it's own destiny.

 

[melstew]

Idiot is kind of strong huh. I guess it is a internet, nobody knows who I am, sort of thing. Any way, if OSU beats Baylor and the Sooners, after dismantling TCU, which is unlikely (I think they might lose this week even before they get to those games), and are undefeated conference champions, I would bet my paycheck that they get in over the Irish.

 

[graceh90]

Truth is, no one knows for sure and that's what makes it so damn interesting for so many across the country. I have a hard time imagining an undefeated B12 or Iowa team being left out. However if by some freak of nature Iowa is in, then OSU is out. So in my mind the only real impediment is the B12 or potentially Utah. Will stay tuned that's for sure

 

[john0gaunt]

Sorry Mel, I went a little overboard. But really, you realize it's about money and ratings. FBS wants ND to be in the playoffs. How many people outside the state of OK want the cowboys in? Sorry to disrespect OK, but it's reality. It causes a lot of people to really hate ND.

 

[HRC08]

Undefeated Big 10 and Big 12 teams get in over a 1 loss ND team.

 

[IrishMike409]

Just win out. Control what you can. Everything else will take care of itself. 4 crazy weeks left....

 

[perseverare]

ND might beat Stanford and if Stanford throws up a stinker in the PAC champ game that hurts the ND cause.
ND must beat Stanford with emphasis.

One loss Ok. is far more a threat than OSU or Baylor; they lack the 'glam' of ND or Ok.

 

[Pennick4]

Win and ND is in.

 

[ajcgn]

I hate to say it, but I have to agree with the original idiot (I kid) poster

Bright side is, watching the other games will be more interesting, down side is obvious.

 

[Granite45]

What kind of idiot actually thinks the FBS would pick OK St over ND for a playoff? You do realize that ND brings a fan base bigger than all of the entire state of OK, right? And that is going to impact the number of viewers that watch the game right? And the TV network and FBS are going to make vastly larger sums of money if ND is in. You understand that, right?

ND just has to win out and they are in. As it always does, other than for one or 2 moments in a particular close game with crazy refs, ND controls it's own destiny.

If Oklahoma State goes undefeated, having beaten TCU, Baylor, and Oklahoma to finish the season, there is a strong chance they will jump Notre Dame. They likely will jump Ohio State based on the entirety of their respective seasons. Oklahoma State will have the best and most quality wins of anyone, with the possible exception of Clemson. How could they not get selected for the final four playoff?

I guess you include me as an idiot then.

 

[john0gaunt]

Thu 9/3

@ Cent. Michigan W 24 - 13
Sat 9/12

Central Arkansas W 32 - 8
Sat 9/19

UTSA W 69 - 14
Sat 9/26

@ Texas W 30 - 27
Sat 10/3

Kansas St. W 36 - 34
Sat 10/10

@ West Virginia W 33 - 26
Sat 10/24

Kansas W 58 - 10
Sat 10/31

@ Texas Tech W 70 - 53
Sat 11/7

(8) TCU W 49 - 2

You consider these higher quality wins than ND? I will include you with the idiots.

 

[NIN Irish]

Undefeated big 12 doesn't get in before the Irish. What kind of message would the committee be showing if they allowed those teams in with their out of conference schedules? Oklahoma loss to Texas. They may get in but not over the Irish.

 

[BGI User 348]

Hey I am okay with an undefeated baylor or ok state getting a spot. BUT....I think they both lose. ND actually needs oklahoma to beat one or both since they lost to texas! IMO if ND wins out there is a terrific probability we are IN!!!

BEAT the lil forest!!!

 

[mokpra37]

A one lose Oklahoma does not get in over a one loss ND, when ND whipped Texas and Oklahoma's loss is to Texas. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[nsp29640]

Win and ND is in.

No, WIN BIG and ND is in. They will have to blow out Wake and BC just to stay where they are.

 

[twalsh]

Sorry Mel, I went a little overboard. But really, you realize it's about money and ratings. ND.

Bowls are about money and ratings. The playoffs are not.

 

[john0gaunt]

^^^Reallly doesn't warrant a response^^^^

 

[Nocalirish]

Idiot is kind of strong huh. I guess it is a internet, nobody knows who I am, sort of thing. Any way, if OSU beats Baylor and the Sooners, after dismantling TCU, which is unlikely (I think they might lose this week even before they get to those games), and are undefeated conference champions, I would bet my paycheck that they get in over the Irish.

I bet you are also betting on the minimum wage increase. Moron.

 

[Nocalirish]

If Oklahoma State goes undefeated, having beaten TCU, Baylor, and Oklahoma to finish the season, there is a strong chance they will jump Notre Dame. They likely will jump Ohio State based on the entirety of their respective seasons. Oklahoma State will have the best and most quality wins of anyone, with the possible exception of Clemson. How could they not get selected for the final four playoff?

I guess you include me as an idiot then.

Fine your an idiot.

 

[beachcardinal]

Not sure about that. Stanford would be an impressive win. You certainly need Stanford to keep winning. SC and Clemson too

 

[perseverare]

but beach, what if ND beats SU and then you guyspound them in a Championship game?

that would suck !

 

[Nocalirish]

11-1 ND is in.

 

[nsp29640]

Bowls are about money and ratings. The playoffs are not.

It's all about who ESPN wants to be there. Last year should have left no doubt in anyone's mind who really controls who gets in.

 

[NDEwing18]

Fine your an idiot.

So are people who don't know the difference between "you're" and "your".

 

[perseverare]

So are people who don't know the difference between "you're" and "your".

really has no bearing on understanding

 

[zuskie]

We don't control our destiny. But if we handle our business, historical precedent indicates a high likelihood of there being sufficient carnage amongst the other teams that we'd be in. Next 4 weeks will tell.

 

[Nocalirish]

We don't control our destiny. But if we handle our business, historical precedent indicates a high likelihood of there being sufficient carnage amongst the other teams that we'd be in. Next 4 weeks will tell.

The Committee controls everyones destiny.
11-1 ND is in.

 

[NDEwing18]

really has no bearing on understanding

It has a reflection on who is deeming who to be an idiot. An undefeated Big 12 team is not going to finish behind a one-loss Notre Dame team.

 

[NIN Irish]

but beach, what if ND beats SU and then you guyspound them in a Championship game?

that would suck !

 

[NIN Irish]

Suck for who?
ND beat SC .

 

[perseverare]

and Stanford would be a 3 loss team; that's ND's big win!

 

[coolirish9]

sorry melstew but the playoff committee already told the nation last week that that an undefeated team doesn't control there own destiny over a one loss team. if our irish and Clemson both win out then our irish are in despite what Baylor does

 

[graceh90]

sorry melstew but the playoff committee already told the nation last week that that an undefeated team doesn't control there own destiny over a one loss team. if our irish and Clemson both win out then our irish are in despite what Baylor does

That was before those undefeated teams began their respective competitive seasons. IF Ok st, Baylor or Iowa win out, IMO, they are in. I'm not confident the same is true for ND despite the fact the Irish that schedule thus far is vastly superior

 

[echowaker]

We don't control our destiny. But if we handle our business, historical precedent indicates a high likelihood of there being sufficient carnage amongst the other teams that we'd be in. Next 4 weeks will tell.

well said. I'd be shocked if any big 12 team is undefeated. a one loss big 12 team will never jump a one loss nd.

 

[melstew]

Jeez Louse, Moron, idiot, minimum wage ND grad,....Can't we all just civilly,calmly and respectfully discuss our beloved Irish? We are a band of brothers after al. Also, any one who thinks an undefeated Big 12 team isn't in over ND is a frickin dolt.

 

[NDEwing18]

sorry melstew but the playoff committee already told the nation last week that that an undefeated team doesn't control there own destiny over a one loss team. if our irish and Clemson both win out then our irish are in despite what Baylor does

Where exactly did the committee say that?

 

[coolirish9]

they said loud and clear ND Ewing when they put our irish 5th over several undefeated teams

 

[NDEwing18]

they said loud and clear ND Ewing when they put our irish 5th over several undefeated teams

So they didn't say that at all? The committee has said, though, that rankings are a snapshot in time, which are subject to change based on how things happen week-to-week. Nowhere has the committee ever said that teams ranked lower can never jump teams ahead of them - but that's what you're asserting.

Most of the Big 12 teams have not gotten into the meat of their schedule. Unsurprisingly, they were ranked behind Notre Dame. However, if Oklahoma State, for example, beats a highly ranked Baylor, TCU and Oklahoma and runs the table, they will be ranked ahead of Notre Dame.

 

[NDEwing18]

they said loud and clear ND Ewing when they put our irish 5th over several undefeated teams

This is actually something that was said by the head of the playoff committee: "Well that's a good question [about how to evaluate the Big 12.]. We really don't compare to last year though. But again, these teams, TCU and Baylor in particular but Oklahoma State and Oklahoma to a lesser degree, they have their strength of schedule in front of them. So as you know, we rank to this point in time and those teams just haven't played their strong teams yet. So we will see how they stack up as we get closer to the end of the season."