I'll go ahead and ask. ND wins vs Stanford...
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Is the Pope Catholic? I don't care if we beat Stanford by 1, they are the class of the PAC 12 with a two game lead over everyone in the conference except Oregon. If USC beats UCLA, they'll be playing Stanford in the P12 Championship. And we handled USC when they were at full strength.
If Michigan State wins out, they will have possible three better wins than ND's best. ND has the better loss, but that may not be enough. I think ND wins on the "eye test" for the overall season, but lately even that is in question.
I think if Oklahoma loses this weekend, ND is in with a win vs the Trees.
Pretty disappointed, but not livid. One thing that pisses me off is that its not even a question that a one loss SEC team gets in. I think that's BS. I still won't blame them for putting Bama in.
If MSU wins out, and especially if OSU beats Mich, I can see them getting in over ND. That gives them three wins against teams that had two losses or less (even though the B10 is a joke).
If OU wins comfortably vs. OSU, that gives them three wins vs the other three good programs in the B12.
Its all just a matter of perspective in how one views OU's and MSU's losses, which were really bad. ND can counter with a 2 point loss to #1 Clemson plus they may have wins over 12-1 Navy, 10-3 Temple (with a loss to ND opponent Navy in the AAC title game), 9-3 Pitt, 10-3/9-4 Stanford, and USC who will win 7-9. Not too bad.
ND has a claim just like anyone else, but I wouldn't think they got jobbed if they didn't get picked.
If MSU wins out, and especially if OSU beats Mich, I can see them getting in over ND. That gives them three wins against teams that had two losses or less (even though the B10 is a joke).
If OU wins comfortably vs. OSU, that gives them three wins vs the other three good programs in the B12.
Its all just a matter of perspective in how one views OU's and MSU's losses, which were really bad. ND can counter with a 2 point loss to #1 Clemson plus they may have wins over 12-1 Navy, 10-3 Temple (with a loss to ND opponent Navy in the AAC title game), 9-3 Pitt, 10-3/9-4 Stanford, and USC who will win 7-9. Not too bad.
ND has a claim just like anyone else, but I wouldn't think they got jobbed if they didn't get picked.
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If all the favorites win out, someone (Iowa, Sparty, ND, Baylor, or Oklahoma) is going to feel jobbed. There will be "controversy" every year. Even if we went to 8 teams there would be controversy.
Yeah, but I'll get over it. Gotten over a whole lot worse than that in 40+ years as a Domer.
I would be really upset if we were undefeated, but not with a loss. We are lucky to be in this position with a loss. Having said that, if we went out and had a statement win against Stanford and didn't get in, it would be disappointing knowing that our team will be healthier & better for the playoffs in a few weeks.
Truthfully, no, I'll be a bit bummed, but not livid or upset. I honestly believe ND would get embarrassed in the playoff. ND is NOT a playoff caliber team this year, especially with the injuries.
ND is not a playoff team, but Clemson is without a doubt the #1 team? Remember how we played a very sloppy (fundamentally and literally) game on the road and lost by 2 points against them?
1. ND beats Stanford and that is all it takesto assure a spot.
2. last sentence above? full strength? your kidding right?
What he said! We would get crushed by Alabama. Worst than the last time. Admittedly it is because of all of our injuries but nonetheless, everyone will remember the result, not the injuries.
We will have a few injuries healed up by playoff time. I don't understand why you are so sure ND would get blown out? Did you think Bama would trounce an undeserving Ohio state last year? Bama was favored by 10 points.... and we know how that ended up.
Bama seems somewhat vulnerable to balanced offensive attacks. I don't know that I would yet call ND's offense balanced. Seems more like leaning to passing first to set up big runs. Stanford or Clemson probably have offenses that could best test the Tide.
MSU did not look all that great in wins over Michigan and Ohio State. And losing to Nebraska was a mistake.
Wouldn't the college football playoff be a lot more legit and take all of the selecting and human element out of it for P5 leagues if we just took the 5 P5 conference champions and let the two highest rated G5 schools play for the 6th spot? The only selecting would be the 2 highest rated G5 schools but that's more access than they have ever had.
This way no arguing over what 2 conference gets a 2nd team in and all that baloney.
I know this would require ND join a conference but think how much better it would be to have everything for at least the P5 leagues/teams only decided on the field.
This way no arguing over what 2 conference gets a 2nd team in and all that baloney.
I know this would require ND join a conference but think how much better it would be to have everything for at least the P5 leagues/teams only decided on the field.
Embarrassed? ND played at Clemson, in a hurricane, one of Kizers first games, and kicked their asses for 30+ minutes. Came within a yard of winning the game. ND goes from that, to potentially getting embarrassed? If Clemson stays at 1, and ND comes in at 4, you're predicting an embarrassing loss? On a neutral field.
The ACC, SEC and B1G champs are assured of getting in 13-0 or 12-1. The 11-1 B12 champ competes with the 11-1 Irish for a last ticket but OK will have 2 better wins than Stanford. You need OK to lose and even then Baylor may get the spot with a win over TCU, so you need TCU to knockoff Baylor in my opinion.
I don't think ND is going to beat Stanford. Too many injuries. However, your assumptions are false.
IF Clemson gets blown out by UNC, the ACC won't have a team in the playoff.
If bama somehow losses to Florida (who will have two losses after playing FSU) or Auburn, the SEC may not have a team in.
If Nebraska beats Iowa and then Iowa beats MSU, the BIG could be left out.
Oklahoma would also have the loss to Texas while ND crushed Texas. A one loss Oklahoma is not assured of getting in ahead of ND. If so, they would be ahead of ND now.
A one loss Baylor is not getting in ahead of a one loss ND. ND's overall resume would be much stronger.
No team is assured a spot at this point.
bad argument. suppose a champ has 2 or 3 losses and another much better conference has an unbeaten and a team with one loss ? that's fair ?
This is not true. The SEC champ could have two losses. The Big 10 champ could have two losses. The ACC champ could have two losses.
I'm not a fan of conferences getting automatic bids. Losing 2-3 games should eliminate a team from playing for a championship.
I would be sad, because it would be lots of fun to watch those games. If ND is not in the final 4.....meh....may not even watch.
As nemeth mentioned above by playoff time ND could have Jarron Jones and Avery Sebastion back. Not to mention just the regular bumps and bruises will feel much better so I think ND could hang with anyone in the nation.
I also think the offense coaching staff need to watch film of all the successful offense plays and make a playbook out of them. I know this is just my perception but it appears the bigger the game the smaller the play call sheet gets. Mix in the screens, off-tackle option, crossing routes, TE in the seam, etc. Start this weekend!
I also think the offense coaching staff need to watch film of all the successful offense plays and make a playbook out of them. I know this is just my perception but it appears the bigger the game the smaller the play call sheet gets. Mix in the screens, off-tackle option, crossing routes, TE in the seam, etc. Start this weekend!
The NFL or any other sports league professional or college doesn't leave out a conference champion because they have more losses than another conference/division champion. Who is to say the conference/division was not a tougher league than the others.
Its time for college football to get things right.
If I wanted to watch the NFL, I would watch the NFL. Thank God CFB is different from the NFL.
I feel that Clemson would beat ND soundly in a rematch. However thats not saying a lot as Clemson certainly isn't the best team in the land in my opinion and I wouldn't be surprised if UNC beats them in the the ACC title game anyway. Alabama, no surprise there, is in my opinion the best football team in the country again. I don't think ND would beat very many teams in that playoff picture to be honest.
The NFL is the most successful sport out their, so it would be a good idea to look at what they do but it was more than JUST THE NFL, every sports league out there professional or college includes major conference champions in their playoffs.
I would like a larger playoff but a real simple one is all P5 conference champions and everyone plays their way in. One spot goes to a G5 league who wins a play in game against another G5 league. That's way its still small and you have to win your conference champion and nobody is picking and choosing what P5 teams are in.
The NFL sucks. I haven't watched an NFL game in 30 + years. I have no desire to do so. If and when CFB becomes the NFL, Jr., I will stop watching CFB too.
I remember Brian Kelly crushing all hopes of a playoff season when he went for 2 @ Clemson.
I think ND going to the playoffs will set the program back again because if we have to see them play Alabama it's going to be an embarrassment. Going 10-2 and playing a lesser bowl opponent in a competitive game is better for the program than a F4 blowout loss that will keep away elite recruits.
Sloppy and lacking fundamentals, eh? We say that a lot on here about Kelly coached teams. BC, Temple, UVA, Clemson.
I don't like the possibility of putting in multiple two and three loss (or a four loss team could even get in) teams simply because they won their conference championship. Its supposed to be the best teams getting in.
The NFL is a much smaller league where everyone has equal access to "recruits". They can use an objective way of picking playoff teams in the NFL because the teams are all comparable too. That's the case in the NCAA.
Disagree with negative nelly above. I'd love to see this team in a playoff. They have more weapons than 2012. But we are just so beat up right now, so I'm focusing on getting the win and then seeing what we have going forward..
If Kelly and his boys can somehow will a win on Saturday vs. an explosive and well coached Stanford team at home it will be the best win of his time at ND. Yes, better than Oklahoma and LSU.
Kelly has done an amazing job bringing this program back -- unlike Stoops he has to graduate more than 50% of his athletes AND our players actually have to perform in class.
What a year! Imagine if we didn't have all of the injuries!
If Kelly and his boys can somehow will a win on Saturday vs. an explosive and well coached Stanford team at home it will be the best win of his time at ND. Yes, better than Oklahoma and LSU.
Kelly has done an amazing job bringing this program back -- unlike Stoops he has to graduate more than 50% of his athletes AND our players actually have to perform in class.
What a year! Imagine if we didn't have all of the injuries!
Everyone disagrees with him. He has pretended to be an ND fan for quite some time. No one buys it.
CFB and the NFL are VERY different. CFB is also very different from other college sports that have longer seasons and more opportunities to play out of conference games. CFB does not have a level playing field when it comes to scheduling. Some conferences and teams play extremely weak out of conference opponents including FCS opponents while others don't. Until there are rules that make scheduling more uniform and fair for all FBS teams there should be no consideration to giving P5 champions automatic bids to any playoff format that includes 8 playoff teams or less.
While I do agree that it was a mistake going for 2.... and the play call on the second attempt was questionable (hindsight is always 20/20 especially with you), I will disagree with you on your opinion on what would happen if we made the playoff.
TurnoverMachine, I will ask you this yet again; Since it is obvious you have no respect for coach Kelly, and you constantly complain about every thing he does..... who do you want to replace him with? Who do you think could do a better job not only next year, but who could of done a better job turning ND into a contender? Please, no generic answers, I am just looking for a name. You spend so much time criticizing BK and this team, surely you have someone in mind that you'd prefer?
I have no problem with you hating BK, as everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I do not like people who are always pointing fingers at a problem (I dont even think ND has a problem) and never offering any suggestions on how to fix it.
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