I pose this question

[Gimmea10wincoach]

What would you as realistic fans of ND rate our university against the midwest powers alone? Based on success of the football program. During Kelly's tenure.

Iowa
8-5 7-6 4-8 8-5 7-6 12-2* 8-4 1 coach
*smoked by Stanford major bowl

Michigan
7-6* 11-2* 8-5 7-6 5-7 10-3 10-2 3 coach
*1 rich rod last season
*2 immediate injection in recruiting n performance.then the Hoke effect...

Thee OSU 3 coach
12-1* 6-7*12-0 12-2 14-1 12-1 11-1 3
*1Tressel final yr.
*2 Fickell
Clearly top class football btw 12 10 win seasons since "00"

Wisconsin 3 coach
11-2 11-3 8-6* 9-4 11-3*10-3 10-2
*1 Bielma leaves
*2 Anderson moves on Bowl win by interim Alvarez

Michigan st. 1 coach
11-2 11-3 7-6 13-1 11-2 12-2 3-9
Note: from 2000 to 2009 mich st was 60-62 (Dantionio had 3 mediocre yrs 1 11 win 2010) under Dantonio current record
89-42 since 2010

I personally find it sickening that if i had to compare i would have to compare us most to Iowa. I know i know. Closer to Mich. But my argument is they went through 2 coaches to find their guy! 10 win seasons on the horizon and with our vacation of wins. Closer resembles Iowa.

I truly hope the powers that be see the light! Its time. When you look at the raw numbers its pretty disheartning, to say the least. I didnt add Nd totals cuz i figure we all know the stats

 

[Nocalirish]

If Kelly comes back it will be Rutgers they are compared to.

 

[perseverare]

at some point it is not even about stats, We have seem the play, attitude and discipline.
that is enough to be convinced

 

[Gimmea10wincoach]

The question is mostly for those that believe you cant find a coach, be successful right away, see immediate results. Many fans make me chuckle when they act as if we dominate our opponents or that we have in quite some time. We have beat literally no one in Kelly's tenure or for some time in retrospect. Powers that be need to re prioritize whether Football is worth the investment. Will be telling if he trots out 2017.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

you can pretty much pick the region...and the results will be the same....just stay away from the south....that would look like child abuse.

 

[Toby Smart]

I don't know one single Irish fan who believe the Irish dominate their opponents. Not one. I don't know one single Irish fan who is happy with 2016, and even before. It doesn't take a genius to understand that it's the coaching. Non of this other stuff matters because unless BK has an epiphany and upon self reflection, re-invents himself, and replaces a good number of his staff, nothing will change. Nothing. We can post all the insults and wise cracks from here to Kalamazoo and nothing will change. Post all the stats you want then spend 2 pages complaining about BK won't change a thing. It's the coaching , and despite popular belief, this board has no power to do anything about it. As it stands currently, ND has a HC and his name is Brian Kelly.