How Do We Get In?

[echowaker]

DII and DIII playoffs are based on regionals though. One of the goals in creating the bracket is minimizing travel and bc of the smaller set up in the divisions the comparison isnt really fair. Also not all these parents do travel youth sports so sure the affluent familes can travel but and 8 team play still excludes a lot of people.

as usual he's comparing apples and oranges. he's obviously never tried to do it and is not aware of the many obstacles for families and fans alike.

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

I remember when the knock on the BCS was #3 and #4 were getting screwed. I remember when people said if we had a 4 team playoff, the 3rd and 4th ranked teams wouldn't have anything to complain about anymore since they got a shot. Now we're thinking that with an 8 team playoff, number 9 and 10 wouldn't have anything to complain about?

It's college football. If we had 128 team playoff, there would be complaining.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

I think the point is people would feel better if the #9-11 teams are feeling left out then the #5 team.

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

I think the other point is that people won't feel better. This is college football. Crying and whining is part of the deal. When it was just the polls, we said, "Settle it on the field". Then they gave us the BCS with votes and computer rankings used to determine the top 2 teams that would settle it on the field. That wasn't good enough. Then they gave us the top 4 teams as determined by human beings who would look at various criteria. That wasn't good enough. Now we're asking for 8 teams. Why would any logical person assume that 8 teams would finally be the point where college football fans would say, "OK, NOW we're satisfied"?

 

[echowaker]

I think the point is people would feel better if the #9-11 teams are feeling left out then the #5 team.

which people ? players ?

 

[Telx1]

I would be more supportive of the four team playoff format if I felt the evaluation process was reasonably objective. Personally, I think there is an inherent bias towards the five conference champions, under the guise of them playing one more game, etc... For ND to be selected, two conference champions need to be left out, and that’s a really high bar to clear. Like many here, I think it best to recognize the reality of the five major conferences by assuring a playoff berth to the champions of each as long as they don’t exceed one loss, and then have at least three at large berths, for an eight team playoff.

 

[NotreDame du Lac]

If we cannot make the playoffs then every game here on out is meaningless as far as having a Championship goal in mind.

 

[DougsDad]

If undefeated. Talking heads and some on the boards act like an undefeated ND gets in. How does that happen in the likely situation that Georgia has one loss?

Bama, PSU, Clemson, and the choice is 1 loss Georgia who beat ND, likely undefeated TCU, 1 loss OSU and Wisconsin.


I'd say an awful lot would have to go wrong for ND to get in. Seems less than "automatic."

A 1 loss GA has a better claim than ND. Obviously. We can argue all we want about getting in over TCU, OSU, Wisconsin, or Clemson, but I don't see it.

Pretty simple really. 1) MSU wins the East and beats Wisc in the Big 10 playoff. 2) Stanford wins the N and USC wins the S of the PAC 10 and ND has beaten both of them. 3) ND beats NCSU and Miami while NCSU beats Clemson next week. ND has beaten both playoff teams in the ACC. 4)Georgia beats AL in the SEC playoffs playoffs. 5) OK beats TCU and loses to OKSU. Final 4 would be GA, AL, ND and OK or OKSU.

 

[Buguit]

The CFA contract was the first example of the college football powers leveraging their popularity. ND's NBC contract escalated things and came even as our executive vice president was on the committee negotiating the new CFA contract. (And people wonder why the conferences don't really give a rat's ass about us?) While we held onto our power through the first version of the playoff system, the rise of the super conferences effectively signaled the end of our ability to call the tune.

I'm not saying it's fair or unfair that ND pretty much has to go undefeated to get into the playoffs. I'm saying ND acted selfishly 25 years ago (and has continued to do so with its conference tie-ins for other sports) and its fans should not be surprised the super conferences aren't too concerned about what happens to us.

ND acted selfishly taking the contract? ... they should of said no ? .... there isn't one team in the nation that is going to say no to any sponsorship that generates money for the program ..... that's economics 101

Selfish? ..... everyone is mad at them for doing what anyo ne of them would've done had they got the chance ? .... not buying this is on ND at all .... or selfish .... makes zero sense

 

[Buguit]

you really want a 3 loss team in a 8 team playoff ?

Try and think of a scenario that might actually happen .... off the top of my head I can think of zero teams ...... ever ..... that have 3 had losses and are in the top 10 let alone top 8

So the argument is you're worried about something happening that's never happened .... or at best (but I seriously doubt it) something that might happen once every 25 years

 

[ndfi65]

as usual he's comparing apples and oranges. he's obviously never tried to do it and is not aware of the many obstacles for families and fans alike.

Please stop with your sorry excuses. If parents can't make it to a game than watch it on TV like most of the parents probably already do. Its one extra week, you make it sound like its an extra month.

 

[ndfi65]

Try and think of a scenario that might actually happen .... off the top of my head I can think of zero teams ...... ever ..... that have 3 had losses and are in the top 10 let alone top 8

So the argument is you're worried about something happening that's never happened .... or at best (but I seriously doubt it) something that might happen once every 25 years

the guy is clueless, what do you expect from a gym teacher wannabe coach

 

[ndfi65]

I would be more supportive of the four team playoff format if I felt the evaluation process was reasonably objective. Personally, I think there is an inherent bias towards the five conference champions, under the guise of them playing one more game, etc... For ND to be selected, two conference champions need to be left out, and that’s a really high bar to clear. Like many here, I think it best to recognize the reality of the five major conferences by assuring a playoff berth to the champions of each as long as they don’t exceed one loss, and then have at least three at large berths, for an eight team playoff.

Now there is someone who makes sense. According to echoboy no one will show up though because they can't afford it. SMH

 

[ndfi65]

which people ? players ?

Do you have a brain? Think about it for a minute.

 

[ndfi65]

i remember when we went to the rose bowl in 1988. my family had a tough time making reasonably priced travel arrangements and that was with 5 weeks notice. can't imagine week to week.

Were you the head male cheerleader? or did you play Sparty? Makes perfect sense now why you aren't very smart.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

which people ? players ?

It is a non-unique harm that the first team left out of the playoff is going to feel cheated. What I hear alot of people (fans, pundits, some coaches who have spoken in favor of playoff expansion etc.) say is that it is better to have the team(s) that feel cheated be lower ranked. The theory I suppose is that the #5 team in the county is much closer to the top 2-3 then the #9 team in the county is.

 

[echowaker]

Were you the head male cheerleader? or did you play Sparty? Makes perfect sense now why you aren't very smart.

Offensive tackle.

 

[echowaker]

Please stop with your sorry excuses. If parents can't make it to a game than watch it on TV like most of the parents probably already do. Its one extra week, you make it sound like its an extra month.

As I stated before you obviously have no experience in the scenario. Easy to spout off when you're not involved or never have been.

 

[echowaker]

It is a non-unique harm that the first team left out of the playoff is going to feel cheated. What I hear alot of people (fans, pundits, some coaches who have spoken in favor of playoff expansion etc.) say is that it is better to have the team(s) that feel cheated be lower ranked. The theory I suppose is that the #5 team in the county is much closer to the top 2-3 then the #9 team in the county is.

I think the results of the first six semifinal final games show otherwise.

 

[echowaker]

Try and think of a scenario that might actually happen .... off the top of my head I can think of zero teams ...... ever ..... that have 3 had losses and are in the top 10 let alone top 8

So the argument is you're worried about something happening that's never happened .... or at best (but I seriously doubt it) something that might happen once every 25 years

Honest question . Do you think if the playoff was expanded to 8 that all 8 participants would have played in a power 5 championship game ? I think that would be the case the majority of the time.

 

[ndfi65]

Offensive tackle.

Right, and I was the half back from usc in 88 rose bowl.

 

[ndfi65]

It is a non-unique harm that the first team left out of the playoff is going to feel cheated. What I hear alot of people (fans, pundits, some coaches who have spoken in favor of playoff expansion etc.) say is that it is better to have the team(s) that feel cheated be lower ranked. The theory I suppose is that the #5 team in the county is much closer to the top 2-3 then the #9 team in the county is.

Its a shame you have to explain this to the guy, but what do you expect from a sparty whos a gym teacher.

 

[echowaker]

Right, and I was the half back from usc in 88 rose bowl.

We kicked your butt twice that year. First game of the year and the last.

 

[echowaker]

Its a shame you have to explain this to the guy, but what do you expect from a sparty whos a gym teacher.

Actually I m the acting AD as ours is out on sick leave. Thanks for playing though.

 

[gautrp]

This is why a 4 team playoff is so stupid. We have to get to eight. I don't want to hear "but then we will need 16", that's bullshit.

If undefeated. Talking heads and some on the boards act like an undefeated ND gets in. How does that happen in the likely situation that Georgia has one loss?

Bama, PSU, Clemson, and the choice is 1 loss Georgia who beat ND, likely undefeated TCU, 1 loss OSU and Wisconsin.


I'd say an awful lot would have to go wrong for ND to get in. Seems less than "automatic."

A 1 loss GA has a better claim than ND. Obviously. We can argue all we want about getting in over TCU, OSU, Wisconsin, or Clemson, but I don't see it.

Call the NCAA and ESPN and see if they are on the list of playoff teams.

 

[NDSMC78]

Call the NCAA and ESPN and see if they are on the list of playoff teams.

Drivel.

 

[Buguit]

Honest question . Do you think if the playoff was expanded to 8 that all 8 participants would have played in a power 5 championship game ? I think that would be the case the majority of the time.

All 8 teams would be top 10 teams and have anywhere from 0 to 2 losses at the most ..... what was your point again? .... feel free to take back what you said before

 

[Irishjohn68]

You missed the point entirely .... your comment shows zero understanding of what my point was ... drinking and drugging again? ...

Why do you have to be a such a jerk?!? All you want to do is attack other posters. I understand your post, I just choose to disagree and as always you get your feelings hurt.

 

[Irishjohn68]

you really want a 3 loss team in a 8 team playoff ?

He is an idiot.

 

[Irishjohn68]

ND acted selfishly taking the contract? ... they should of said no ? .... there isn't one team in the nation that is going to say no to any sponsorship that generates money for the program ..... that's economics 101

Selfish? ..... everyone is mad at them for doing what anyo ne of them would've done had they got the chance ? .... not buying this is on ND at all .... or selfish .... makes zero sense

I see writing a complete sentence with a well thought out idea is still a struggle for you.

 

[Bodizephax]

I would be more supportive of the four team playoff format if I felt the evaluation process was reasonably objective. Personally, I think there is an inherent bias towards the five conference champions, under the guise of them playing one more game, etc... For ND to be selected, two conference champions need to be left out, and that’s a really high bar to clear. Like many here, I think it best to recognize the reality of the five major conferences by assuring a playoff berth to the champions of each as long as they don’t exceed one loss, and then have at least three at large berths, for an eight team playoff.

Telx, I disagree. I think the college playoff committee is oldschool and favors Notre Dame. We got alot of love from them in 2015 for beating Temple and Navy and the close loss to Clemson. I think the Irish will get in easy when they win out, IMHO. Our blowout wins over Michigan State, USC and Boston college will win them over.

 

[Buguit]

Why do you have to be a such a jerk?!? All you want to do is attack other posters. I understand your post, I just choose to disagree and as always you get your feelings hurt.

No .. you clearly don't .... being delusional is a survival skill for you ..... reality is much worse

 

[Telx1]

Telx, I disagree. I think the college playoff committee is oldschool and favors Notre Dame. We got alot of love from them in 2015 for beating Temple and Navy and the close loss to Clemson. I think the Irish will get in easy when they win out, IMHO. Our blowout wins over Michigan State, USC and Boston college will win them over.

I want you to be right!

 

[Bodizephax]

I want you to be right!

A 38 to 18 road win over a top big ten team Mich St.. A 49 to 20 road win over a surging BC ACC team. A 49 to 14 win over a top Pac ten team USC. And a potential blowout win over another top ACC team--NC State A potential blowout win over another Top ACC team Miami Fla on the road. Another potential blowout road win over another top pac10 team Stanford. And two pontential blowouts over quality Navy and Wake forest teams.
And the only loss to the potential # 1 team in the country Georgia after they beat Alabama in the SEC Championship game.
We just got to keep having our opponents winning when they don't play us.
I could actually maybe see us jump a undefeated TCU team due to them only beating good teams from one conference. Our big margin of victorys and our strength on both defense and offense will impress the voters.
Last year only one team was undefeated going into the playoffs and only 4 teams with one loss.Thats what it usually is--so all we have to do is beat out one of t one loss teams and I believe that is very reasonable.
That is my take anyway. I like to run stuff by you because you always come up with good points.

 

[tbonesays]

Pretty simple really. 1) MSU wins the East and beats Wisc in the Big 10 playoff. 2) Stanford wins the N and USC wins the S of the PAC 10 and ND has beaten both of them. 3) ND beats NCSU and Miami while NCSU beats Clemson next week. ND has beaten both playoff teams in the ACC. 4)Georgia beats AL in the SEC playoffs playoffs. 5) OK beats TCU and loses to OKSU. Final 4 would be GA, AL, ND and OK or OKSU.

AL-UGA-ND cannot get in as a trio. Too many rematches for a small playoff.

 

[Telx1]

A 38 to 18 road win over a top big ten team Mich St.. A 49 to 20 road win over a surging BC ACC team. A 49 to 14 win over a top Pac ten team USC. And a potential blowout win over another top ACC team--NC State A potential blowout win over another Top ACC team Miami Fla on the road. Another potential blowout road win over another top pac10 team Stanford. And two pontential blowouts over quality Navy and Wake forest teams.
And the only loss to the potential # 1 team in the country Georgia after they beat Alabama in the SEC Championship game.
We just got to keep having our opponents winning when they don't play us.
I could actually see us jump a undefeated TCU team due to them only beating good teams from one conference.
Last year only one team was undefeated going into the playoffs and only 4 teams with one loss.Thats what it usually is--so all we have to do is beat out one of t one loss teams and I believe that is very reasonable.
That is my take anyway. I like to run stuff by you because you always come up with good points.

I am more skeptical about the process and preferential treatment I think is given to the big five conference champs. That said, I think there are numerous scenarios where we get selected, assuming we win out. Georgia going undefeated and winning the SEC and being ranked #1 would help a ton. Having either Miami or NCST win the ACC would eliminate either of them over us. Having either Stanford or USC win the PAC would eliminate either of them as well. On the other hand, an undefeated Washington as the PAC champ, a one loss Clemson as the ACC champ, an undefeated Penn St or one loss Ohio St BIG champ, a one loss Alabama or Georgia as the SEC champ, and an undefeated TCU as the Big Twelve champ, and I just don’t think the selection committee leaves two conf champs out of the playoffs. Do I think an 11-1 Notre Dame is more deserving than a one loss Ohio St or one loss Clemson, hell yes, but I am skeptical of the selection process, and hope to be proven wrong.

 

[ndfi65]

Actually I m the acting AD as ours is out on sick leave. Thanks for playing though.

The key word is "acting"

 

[echowaker]

The key word is "acting"

Obviously not an English major. Thanks for playing though.

 

[echowaker]

All 8 teams would be top 10 teams and have anywhere from 0 to 2 losses at the most ..... what was your point again? .... feel free to take back what you said before

Speculation. Easy for a team to have 3 losses after a conference championship game. 8 is a waste of time and will lead to worse game than we've seen in the semi final games to date. Think for a change.

 

[Buguit]

Speculation. Easy for a team to have 3 losses after a conference championship game. 8 is a waste of time and will lead to worse game than we've seen in the semi final games to date. Think for a change.

Easy for a 3 loss team???? .... has it happened yet ? ..... nope .... think? ..... like talking to a wall with IQ of the same