Hiestand
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ND gets talented linemen and develops them to succeed in the NFL … but we haven’t put together a dominant OLine unit in decades. The whole is always less than the sum of the parts.
Q: What comes after 3rd and 1?
A: 4th and 2
Q: What comes after 3rd and 1?
A: 4th and 2
I would imagine most would describe him as a competent journeyman coach who's had a long career.
He's not some legendary OL coach. And other than that magical '17 season, when Brandon Wimbush couldn't pass, and the team pivoted on the fly to a run-heavy offense on a line blessed with two top ten overall draft picks in seniors McGlinchey and future HOFer Quenton Nelson... his time at ND was undistinguished.
He's not some legendary OL coach. And other than that magical '17 season, when Brandon Wimbush couldn't pass, and the team pivoted on the fly to a run-heavy offense on a line blessed with two top ten overall draft picks in seniors McGlinchey and future HOFer Quenton Nelson... his time at ND was undistinguished.
here’s the thing - Martin, Nelson, mcglinchey n Stanley all are successful n talk highly of this guy. So it can only be one of two things
1- he is a phenomenal coach
2- these guys are blinded by affection for him
I find it hard to believe intelligent men who played for him would not know the difference between 1 and 2. But I really don’t have N answer
How about the answer is patience. While we have a few seasoned linemen, we also have a few young players as well. It takes some time to gel in game situations. Frustrating? Yes if course. But that's the way it is. Can't panic yet. If we don't see week over week improvement going forward, then we can panic.
I trust top players in these situations. Player quality is the 1 thing we can corroborate.
By and large the ND line under CBK played to potential. NFL factory there. When it doesn’t play to potential you have to look at coaches…including head coach who is CEO.
He'll be the first and easiest to fire if this season keeps cratering. It'll be HH first, then Rees, and quite possibly MF himself, if we were to actually go as bad as 3-9.
All the Jeff Quinn business is just toxic fan insanity, it's not a real thing outside of your guys' brains.....
I honestly don't know. Obviously I don't actually know, because it hasn't happened yet. But that's not just fear-mongering or whatnot. Can you imagine if we actually ended the season 3-9? Seriously, contemplate that as the reality, the final record for the season when it's all said and done. We beat UNLV, we beat Navy and we beat BC....
Now that you mention it, maybe the bigger question, is does Swarbrick get fired before MF would? If we were to go say, 4-8, even a little better than 3-9... He will have been the architect of this disaster. And there will bone zero sympathy from the national media, quite the contrary, nor even from the ND media with the exception of Bryan Driskell, and so it would probably make sense to first fire Swarbrick, rather than letting him be in charge of cleaning up the mess he will have created.
So in that case MF could get another year under the watch of a new AD, pretty much knowing he's a dead man walking, a la Scott Frost....
That's just dumb. Quinn was an easy target here for some reason. Harry is a very good o line coach. Lots of them out there. Harry doesn't know more than any other competent guy. It's about teaching and culture. Look at Alabama. No team has had more staff changes over the years than them. It's the culture and it starts at the top. No one here is happy with the start of the season. New coach, new culture. What say we give it a chance ?
Correct. Zero chance in my opinion. People losing their minds after two games is quite amusing.
You can be all smug and proud of yourself about keeping your composure, but plenty of other fans, including virtually the entire punditocracy both national and local, are all freaking out. And it's not because they're all just a bunch of spazzes, unlike you.... in fact that they're guaranteed all way smarter than you, and they are all totally worried about how this season is going to go based on the early returns.
It's not even because we merely lost to Marshall, it's because of how bad the offense looks in particular, and the team in general. HOW POORLY COACHED THEY LOOK.... And it's unnerving to watch already. And even if we had somehow pulled out the win, the prospects for this season would still be every bit as sketchy. And everyone knows MF's story, everyone knows how unqualified he is. Nor is there any particular reason to think that he'll suddenly get everything 'fixed', and just pull a rabbit out of a hat....
And then you compound that with Buchner out for season??? It's a shit show. So he better do something....
The counter is that this is the same line as last year, 1 year in the weight room later and a year under the belt yet they have digressed.
Maybe its not harry, maybe Kyren hid lots. This line is pathetic. The marshal tackle was literally pulling 54 through the hole and sliding behind him. There are big issues here to correct and Blake was a 5 star.
This pretty much nails the current mood of the large majority.
Currently there is not a single unit other that maybe the transfer punter who is functioning at a high level through two games.
This is one of your posts that make sense, cuts Thru the rubble and contributes to good board discussion. You posts on Freeman choosing his faith as some kind of last ditch salvation move or lambasting him for a personal decision that should not be dissected - is not cool and flat out wrong. The guy is green. He may or may not turn things around. But he’s clearly a good guy that we can get behind so leave his personal shit out of it. Focus on the job
People who make mistakes, people who make bad decisions rarely rush in and admit that they made a mistake or a bed decision. Human nature often has them being defensive or doubling down.
If ND has a losing season/s I don’t see those who made the decision to hire MF making any decision to replace him prior to year 4, but that’s just my opinion.
If ND has a losing season/s I don’t see those who made the decision to hire MF making any decision to replace him prior to year 4, but that’s just my opinion.
Yeah 2 games .. everyone should be fired. I'm nervous, I'm hoping Jack ain't reading this board. The mass collection of know nothing idiots
You are right the first reaction should be to fire the guy who woke his boss up at the Vatican in the middle of the night to rubber stamp this cluster truck.
It will take atleast two years to reshuffle the deck and let Freeman hire assistants he wants without Swarbricks meddling
It's funny you should mention Jack Swarbrick, because he's the one that ought to be worried about getting fired.
As he's the one ultimately responsible for all this shit. Especially if its true that he insisted on Rees being the OC, and he made the executive decision to keep him on willy nilly. But fair's fair, this team may will hit its stride, and we might manage to go 7-5, which would at least make us bowl eligible....
But it's hard to imagine a scenario where you wouldn't fire Tommy Rees. Other than literally running the table, or even 9-3 and the offense finishing in the top third nationally....
You don’t know who exercised the ultimate authority in the decision to hire MF.
Evidently you don’t understand how the chain of command works at Notre Dame.
Always...
or 3rd and 6 after a false start because someone(s) apparently missed the silent count scheme...all 7 times in one game!?.
One could say a regression?
Depends how bad the 9 are and how pedestrian the 3 are.
If we lose 7 more games for example to a team like Cal by 24 points...
Lose to Navy by 17 points... and so on and so on...
Never say never
First of all who in that situation would ever speak lowly of a position coach? Getting drafted high in the NFL never results in slander of the college position coach. Never.
Secondly I'd argue that the above players you mentioned are playing on Sunday regardless and you'd admit that as well.
One coach didn't make these guys go from being bench warmers and or just barely starting to first round picks.
They were getting drafted high regardless.
Why panic?
I don't know how in the hell anyone can be surprised at any of this.
Please by all means just look at the rushing stats in the biggest of games while HH was at ND tour #1.
Even the year with McGlinchey and Nelson on the left side at the same time.
It was a joke. Hardly reaching a 2 yard per carry average in those games...
Sure 33 trucking (LOL) trucked the weak ass teams but against the strong teams our alleged other wordly linemen were pedestrian and average at best. Average would be a compliment.
Nobody needs time and patience. HH has already shown his hand in his first tour and given the Oline's performance in week 1 and subsequent regression in week 2 at home...I'd think it's extremely safe to say HH is the same as he ever was.
All hype!!!!!!
I'll gladly take a no name oline coach who gets players to overachieve and play exceptionally well as a group. I don't care about first round pick this or that...
How about dominating the LOS against a top power.
Yes...I'd much rather have that but unfortunately we'll never ever, ever, ever, and NEVER ever, ever see that under HH.
Did I say anything about anyone being fired? I think you said to watch and see if there is improvement, I stated there was none from week 1 to 2. Idiot? Reading comprehension is not one of your strong points, but I do like the rah rah rah attitude!
I think what we are seeing play out is the fact that bad coaching can be a lot harder to "reprogram" than thought. Talented or not, it appears lugg, Zeke, and even Patterson have substantial bad habits that quite simply might not get fixed by a magic wand. All three spent almost all of their time being coached by Jeff Quinn and all exhibit poor recognition, poor blocking technique (except for Zeke who still can't figure out who to block), and a habit of catching and stopping. The tackles exhibit some of these issues but are both 19 yes old and I'm confident will have this coached out of them.
For those calling for backups to play, remember they probably also exhibit these habits without the years of experience. I'd expect new starters no earlier than mid November and only if they are taking to the new coaching.
I do think this is a big advantage to the freshmen on campus right now in the long term. They might not be physically ready to play but they will develop without the bad habits.
For those calling for backups to play, remember they probably also exhibit these habits without the years of experience. I'd expect new starters no earlier than mid November and only if they are taking to the new coaching.
I do think this is a big advantage to the freshmen on campus right now in the long term. They might not be physically ready to play but they will develop without the bad habits.
You ain't oonfident of nothing. You're just trying to act all smart like you always do.
But this is some serious BK-derangement syndrome right here. You've got it worse than anyone else on this board. I kind of feel for you, but you had to know this day might come. Actually, no, I don' feel bad for you at all.....
With all of the position issues on both sides of the ball....I am least impressed with this offensive line. They dominate no one....Holding their own from time to time isn't going to win games either. Could be they are a year or two away....that would explain it.
Respectfully……I’ve honestly wondered if you’re Jeff Quinn.
BK was an awesome coach. We’ll miss him. But Freeman CAN be better.
Power, counter, trap, play action.
No more of this confusion who’s covered, uncovered making lateral step, who’s peeling off to 2nd level shit.
Down block the gap and pull the backside to bloody the nose of whoever is trying to fit the run.
when they catch on, pull the ball and take your shots on 50/50 balls or in breaking routes.
simplify the blocking simplify the offense.
No more of this confusion who’s covered, uncovered making lateral step, who’s peeling off to 2nd level shit.
Down block the gap and pull the backside to bloody the nose of whoever is trying to fit the run.
when they catch on, pull the ball and take your shots on 50/50 balls or in breaking routes.
simplify the blocking simplify the offense.
Why that's a hell of a thing for you to say! Where do you get the nerve???
Get back to us when the OL finally gets all the stink of Jeff Quinn out of them. 'Cause that what you said. They still got Jeff Quinn's stink in them. And that's why they suck, because of Jeff Quinn. They got his STINK in 'em.....
The world knew this was putting all your chips on one number and hoping.
MF has zero HC experience. He has a medium track record at best. He has an amazing pedigree and all the qualities the fans and university desires. We all are rooting for him. We all where ready for the next step.
This team is not loaded with talent. For the last 6 years we have elite talent in exactly 1 offensive spot and 2 defensive spots. We have excellent talent in another 12-14 and the rest are serviceable.
BK was not getting the recruits needed for a Natty.
This is going to be a brutal season. Jack and MF are going to need to back the truck up and go find the best coaches at every spot to shore up MF’s inexperience.
They need to use the brand and name to solve NIL. They need to help the admin create an entire curriculum around NIL. A university like ND has always lead, never followed. We need to lead and make this just one more thing the ND as a institution does better than anyone.
MF has zero HC experience. He has a medium track record at best. He has an amazing pedigree and all the qualities the fans and university desires. We all are rooting for him. We all where ready for the next step.
This team is not loaded with talent. For the last 6 years we have elite talent in exactly 1 offensive spot and 2 defensive spots. We have excellent talent in another 12-14 and the rest are serviceable.
BK was not getting the recruits needed for a Natty.
This is going to be a brutal season. Jack and MF are going to need to back the truck up and go find the best coaches at every spot to shore up MF’s inexperience.
They need to use the brand and name to solve NIL. They need to help the admin create an entire curriculum around NIL. A university like ND has always lead, never followed. We need to lead and make this just one more thing the ND as a institution does better than anyone.
