Hello Everyone - 1st time poster

[Jiff_And_The_Choosy_Mothers]

I am a die hard Irish fan but not so much a fan of the Kelly regime. Kelly is a good coach but I miss the days of Ara and Lou. I think we will have a good season this year. Maybe even a 9 or 10 win season if we are lucky. However, I remember the days when hoping to be lucky for a 9 or 10 win season did not exist...it was expected! Now, it seems like the norm is an 8 win season and most posters seem to be happy with that. I don't understand it. I can't remember a time when 8-5 was acceptable. Not with Faust, Not with Willingham, Not with Davie. Why now? Many of you point at the changing landscape of CFB as a rationale for this acceptance. I can't do it and believe me, I have tried. I want the Glory and the Tradition of Irish football back again. I am sorry, but if Kelly can't do it, then he has to go. I will not settle. I will not go gently into that goodnight.

Some times, a coach gets a downtrodden team back into the mix of respectability but can only take it so far. Kelly has done that and I am grateful. He has been given plenty of time and he has delivered. But he may not be the guy to make that final push.

Now I know some of you will ask..then who? I don't know. But there has to be someone if Kelly goes 8-5 again. This post is not to annoy or inflame anyone. The bottom line should be this...anything but a 10 win season should have Kelly on the hot seat. It is his team. His recruits. His coaches. His scheme. No more excuses!!! We deserve better.

 

[Toby Smart]

Not this again. You are not going to get off this easy. You want BK gone then give us a short list of realistic names as a potential candidate. I have already seen proof of your anti BK commentary.

 

[Jiff_And_The_Choosy_Mothers]

Not this again. You are not going to get off this easy. You want BK gone then give us a short list of realistic names as a potential candidate. I have already seen proof of your anti BK commentary.

I don't want BK gone. I just don't want a free pass because he has done a pretty good job of bringing us back to respectability. Obviously if he succeeds, we all win. But we can't settle because he did a good job of getting us close but can't close the deal. I already said I can't give you a list of coaches you are better. I am not that informed about how every coach goes about running a program. I do know that when Holtz was hired, there was a great deal of negativity because of his failure with the NFL. All I am saying is I am not a big fan of Kelly and if he can't get us over the hump, then he needs to go. What is wrong with that?

 

[NDSMC78]

I don't want BK gone. I just don't want a free pass because he has done a pretty good job of bringing us back to respectability. Obviously if he succeeds, we all win. But we can't settle because he did a good job of getting us close but can't close the deal. I already said I can't give you a list of coaches you are better. I am not that informed about how every coach goes about running a program. I do know that when Holtz was hired, there was a great deal of negativity because of his failure with the NFL. All I am saying is I am not a big fan of Kelly and if he can't get us over the hump, then he needs to go. What is wrong with that?

There was not a lot of negativity when Holtz was hired. Most people were thrilled to have Lou take over the reins. The guy was successful at Arkansas and Minnesota, to name two. After Gerry Faust, Lou Holtz was perceived to be a step in the right direction.
Kelly is not going anywhere. If you think he is going to get the axe after a 9 win season, you are dreaming.

 

[Jiff_And_The_Choosy_Mothers]

There was not a lot of negativity when Holtz was hired. Most people were thrilled to have Lou take over the reins. The guy was successful at Arkansas and Minnesota, to name two. After Gerry Faust, Lou Holtz was perceived to be a step in the right direction.
Kelly is not going anywhere. If you think he is going to get the axe after a 9 win season, you are dreaming.

Yes there was negativity. The same reason there was negativity at Bama when Saban failed in the NFL. I never said a 9 win season was a reason to fire him. But if he goes 8-5 with this squad, would you honestly not be concerned?

 

[NDSMC78]

Yes there was negativity. The same reason there was negativity at Bama when Saban failed in the NFL. I never said a 9 win season was a reason to fire him. But if he goes 8-5 with this squad, would you honestly not be concerned?

Maybe you were negative. But the reaction was overwhelmingly positive.
Your exact words are that anything less than a ten win season should have Kelly on the hot seat.
I just love it when people start posting here and every post is an "in your face" post.

 

[Irishjohn68]

I don't want BK gone. I just don't want a free pass because he has done a pretty good job of bringing us back to respectability. Obviously if he succeeds, we all win. But we can't settle because he did a good job of getting us close but can't close the deal. I already said I can't give you a list of coaches you are better. I am not that informed about how every coach goes about running a program. I do know that when Holtz was hired, there was a great deal of negativity because of his failure with the NFL. All I am saying is I am not a big fan of Kelly and if he can't get us over the hump, then he needs to go. What is wrong with that?

I don not understand the message. In one sentence you are not a fan of Kelly, but you don't want him fired either. Then you say he "succeeds" but we can not "settle" because he did a good job. Which is it, he is successful or just does a good job?

And where did you get your info on Lou Holtz being hired? I can not recall anyone being negative when Coach Holtz was hired. Besides Lou was in the NFL one season what 15 or 17 years prior to him being the HC at ND.

Sounds to me like you like straddling both sides of the fence.

 

[DubsDreader]

Sounds like "Jiffy" is a troll. Kelly is a top five coach in CFB, he leaves when he wants. He will also win big in 2015.

 

[Jiff_And_The_Choosy_Mothers]

Let me be direct since there is confusion about what I wrote. I am not a big Kelly Fan. Does that not make me a ND fan... NO.

If he goes 10-2, should he be fired...NO

If he goes 9-3 but has a poor recruiting class, should he be fired. IDK, depends on how he lost the games. There is no reason why he should not win 10 games. If he does a poor job of coaching and we win 9 games, combined with a 15-20 ranked recruiting class, then maybe he should be scrutinized.

8-5 seasons are not acceptable.

If he goes 8-5 again this season, every Irish fan should be calling for his head.

Is that plain enough?

 

[Jiff_And_The_Choosy_Mothers]

Sounds like "Jiffy" is a troll. Kelly is a top five coach in CFB, he leaves when he wants. He will also win big in 2015.

The guy with 20 identities calling me a troll. Too funny.

 

[NDSMC78]

Kelly will not be fired after a 9-3 or 8-4 season. It just won't happen, no matter how badly you want him to go.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Sounds like "Jiffy" is a troll. Kelly is a top five coach in CFB, he leaves when he wants. He will also win big in 2015.

This maybe the first time I have ever agreed with Argusman!

 

[Jiff_And_The_Choosy_Mothers]

Kelly will not be fired after a 9-3 or 8-4 season. It just won't happen, no matter how badly you want him to go.

I have monitored the board and from what I can tell, you are a long time ND fan. You have njoyed the glory years like I have. Why are you so against a coaching change if Kelly goes 9-4 or 8-5?

 

[NDSMC78]

I have monitored the board and from what I can tell, you are a long time ND fan. You have njoyed the glory years like I have. Why are you so against a coaching change if Kelly goes 9-4 or 8-5?

The fact is that whether or not I am against it makes no difference. At 8-4 or 9-3, no change will be made.

Further, I am not an advocate for just firing coaches unless we have someone better to serve as a replacement. I don't see any realistic candidate who I think is superior to Kelly.

 

[theskibro]

I think this is one of the better op's in awhile

Thanks for your thoughts. I believe Kelly is an above average coach. Let' s remember, he has made some colossal flubs - Tulsa, Champs Bowl second half take foot off gas-- and many more.

He has also taken ND from the depths of a regime that should have never happened- the Weis hiring. And brought the program back by almost every measure.

A natty appearance is a big deal

Where would ND be without that ? A team that has not been to the big dance in 27 years, that is where.

Now, about 2015. This is the first absolutely No Excuses year on Kelly's watch

Every coach can lose a game or two with abundant talent. Rockne did. Leary did

Ara did. And Lou did a number of times.

The 2 things that separates those ND coaches from Kelly -- besides a natty -- is the ability to beat a top flight team We might lose to BC - for example- after beating #1 FSU in 93, but we beat the best.

Kelly has not done that. Weis never did it. The closest Kelly has come is beating LSU last bowl and Oklahoma in 2012

The second thing that separates the great ND coaches from Kelly is consistent high win seasons. Kelly has 1. Weis had 2. High win is defined as 10 or better.

As I look at 2015, I know we should -- with the right game plan - and healthy players win every game Can we lose 1 or 2? Like the coaches I mentioned, they lost a few they should not have, so sure Kelly can crap his pants


But, here's the thing-- Kelly knows he is stacked. ND nation knows it. ND is ranked like 6 in polls. If this coach does not produce this year, then the Emperor will have no clothes

I still think the guy is very good. I expect 12. Anything more than 1 loss is not acceptable this year. Like 78 said though, Kelly is not going anywhere. A 7 or 8 loss season puts him on notice. Like you said, maybe more should happen. But even kuharich and Brennan brought the team to never before seen depths and were not fired right away

Here is to the playoffs

 

[Bodizephax]

I am a die hard Irish fan but not so much a fan of the Kelly regime. Kelly is a good coach but I miss the days of Ara and Lou. I think we will have a good season this year. Maybe even a 9 or 10 win season if we are lucky. However, I remember the days when hoping to be lucky for a 9 or 10 win season did not exist...it was expected! Now, it seems like the norm is an 8 win season and most posters seem to be happy with that. I don't understand it. I can't remember a time when 8-5 was acceptable. Not with Faust, Not with Willingham, Not with Davie. Why now? Many of you point at the changing landscape of CFB as a rationale for this acceptance. I can't do it and believe me, I have tried. I want the Glory and the Tradition of Irish football back again. I am sorry, but if Kelly can't do it, then he has to go. I will not settle. I will not go gently into that goodnight.

Some times, a coach gets a downtrodden team back into the mix of respectability but can only take it so far. Kelly has done that and I am grateful. He has been given plenty of time and he has delivered. But he may not be the guy to make that final push.

Now I know some of you will ask..then who? I don't know. But there has to be someone if Kelly goes 8-5 again. This post is not to annoy or inflame anyone. The bottom line should be this...anything but a 10 win season should have Kelly on the hot seat. It is his team. His recruits. His coaches. His scheme. No more excuses!!! We deserve better.

I am a die hard Irish fan but not so much a fan of the Kelly regime. Kelly is a good coach but I miss the days of Ara and Lou. I think we will have a good season this year. Maybe even a 9 or 10 win season if we are lucky. However, I remember the days when hoping to be lucky for a 9 or 10 win season did not exist...it was expected! Now, it seems like the norm is an 8 win season and most posters seem to be happy with that. I don't understand it. I can't remember a time when 8-5 was acceptable. Not with Faust, Not with Willingham, Not with Davie. Why now? Many of you point at the changing landscape of CFB as a rationale for this acceptance. I can't do it and believe me, I have tried. I want the Glory and the Tradition of Irish football back again. I am sorry, but if Kelly can't do it, then he has to go. I will not settle. I will not go gently into that goodnight.

Some times, a coach gets a downtrodden team back into the mix of respectability but can only take it so far. Kelly has done that and I am grateful. He has been given plenty of time and he has delivered. But he may not be the guy to make that final push.

Now I know some of you will ask..then who? I don't know. But there has to be someone if Kelly goes 8-5 again. This post is not to annoy or inflame anyone. The bottom line should be this...anything but a 10 win season should have Kelly on the hot seat. It is his team. His recruits. His coaches. His scheme. No more excuses!!! We deserve better.

 

[BGI User 1596]

8-5 is the new normal. Kelly will be fine. GO IRISH.

 

[NebDomer]

people who want BK gone need to have their heads examined.

 

[end_23]

people who want BK gone need to have their heads examined.

More proof that 8-4 is now a great season at ND. Yet the ticket prices are astronomical for such average football. This combo has me going to only one game this year. The fans need to take a stand. You want to charge $125? Fine, give me a product worth watching at least.
Someday us idiot fans will say enough is enough and the stadium will be half empty after non-stop N78 in love 5-loss seasons.

 

[NebDomer]

if you cant understand why last year ended up the way it did I am not sure what to tell you. Same for 2013 with what happened. Both circumstances completely out of BK's control.

 

[schadenfreude]

More proof that 8-4 is now a great season at ND. Yet the ticket prices are astronomical for such average football. This combo has me going to only one game this year. The fans need to take a stand. You want to charge $125? Fine, give me a product worth watching at least.
Someday us idiot fans will say enough is enough and the stadium will be half empty after non-stop N78 in love 5-loss seasons.

I think the high price is just a sign of the times. For years, college football tickets were underpriced, and scalpers were able to charge 2-10x face value. The colleges finally woke up and began charging closer to the final demand price. If you look at the other major blue blood programs, the pricing is similar.

 

[twalsh]

I think the high price is just a sign of the times. For years, college football tickets were underpriced, and scalpers were able to charge 2-10x face value. The colleges finally woke up and began charging closer to the final demand price. If you look at the other major blue blood programs, the pricing is similar.

ND going to the game by game pricing has actually made it more affordable IMHO. Some pretty reasonable prices for the lower level games now, versus every game priced like it was USC.

 

[BGI User 1596]

ND going to the game by game pricing has actually made it more affordable IMHO. Some pretty reasonable prices for the lower level games now, versus every game priced like it was USC.

Just purchase two Diet Cokes and you can go to a Michigan Game. https://www.google.ca/search?q=mich...2&ved=0CBwQsARqFQoTCMf9j_7z7MYCFUakHgodEP0AfQ

 

[echowaker]

More proof that 8-4 is now a great season at ND. Yet the ticket prices are astronomical for such average football. This combo has me going to only one game this year. The fans need to take a stand. You want to charge $125? Fine, give me a product worth watching at least.
Someday us idiot fans will say enough is enough and the stadium will be half empty after non-stop N78 in love 5-loss seasons.

more proof that you are truly clueless.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Just purchase two Diet Cokes and you can go to a Michigan Game. https://www.google.ca/search?q=mich...2&ved=0CBwQsARqFQoTCMf9j_7z7MYCFUakHgodEP0AfQ

Are you sure it is Diet Coke? I thought it had to be regular Coke?

And why not Pepsi?

 

[Irishjohn68]

more proof that you are truly clueless.

echowaker, some people just don't get it.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

Just enjoy the season folks and hope for good weather at the home games. Kelly isn't going anywhere. ND has found what they're looking for in a coach. ND football is what it is. Sad but true.