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[Izo]

About Kizer , but he was considered one of the top 3 quarterbacks in the draft and early on ,a top 15 pick .And now Kizer has slipped to a very late first rounder or an early second round choice ( 32- 40) . Even a Texas Tech QB has emerged has the 3rd best QB in the draft passing Kizer .

I know he did not have a great NFL combine , but from what I read he had the strongest arm in the draft .which doesn't mean a lot .But what did Kizer do poorly at ? Accuracy ? Decision making ? Throwing motion ? Pocket presence ?

 

[perseverare]

As to Watson, DW just played well enough to move up. The flip of DW-DK was more of DW just being great, not DK slipping.

2,3,4 in draft depend on teams, styles and geo locations, so it is impossible to know what will happen. A team drafting later in 1st round would actually benefit as they would generally be a better team than the teams drafting 1-10 (before trading)
DK will ultimately succeed or fail based upon his own ability and performances not how the others do or draft position. He has the physical tools, that's a great start.

 

[REMND]

Head to head, he didn't fair as well as the others. He did well, just not as well. He needed another year.

 

[IRISHJD98]

About Kizer , but he was considered one of the top 3 quarterbacks in the draft and early on ,a top 15 pick .And now Kizer has slipped to a very late first rounder or an early second round choice ( 32- 40) . Even a Texas Tech QB has emerged has the 3rd best QB in the draft passing Kizer .

I know he did not have a great NFL combine , but from what I read he had the strongest arm in the draft .which doesn't mean a lot .But what did Kizer do poorly at ? Accuracy ? Decision making ? Throwing motion ? Pocket presence ?

Here are some thoughts on his performance:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130841&draftyear=2017&genpos=QB

 

[Nocalirish]

He is considered a project because Kelly taught him nothing. Whoever drafts him will have to start from scratch.

 

[bizzybecknd]

He is considered a project because Kelly taught him nothing. Whoever drafts him will have to start from scratch.

Clown

 

[NyyorkerND]

Clown

Seriously 99% of college qbs come in not prepared becuase everyone is running spread offenses. No reads, no progressions, just throw to mismatches, or the overloaded side.

 

[Irishjohn68]

Seriously 99% of college qbs come in not prepared becuase everyone is running spread offenses. No reads, no progressions, just throw to mismatches, or the overloaded side.

I think you missed his point.

 

[Ara64]

Players need time to season and mature before going to the NFL. DK should have stayed in school. Physical talent can take you only so far in the league. I hope he's drafted by a team that allows him to develop a year or two, but I'll pull for him and his NFL adventure. I'm a huge Kizer fan.

 

[perseverare]

what a strange bunch you guys are; you tout BW as superior to DK; many have blamed DK for Kelly's failures, (even Kelly hints blame) and this is a kid who you think should have returned to ND?

He was 'unprepared' by the guy who claims he is not prepared.
So return and risk wasting another year.

He was under appreciated by fans
A segment of fans felt he should be riding the bench and that would be the clamor w/the 1st opp.

The NFL and CF are completely different leagues; no QB is truly NFL ready.
The sooner Kizer got out of BK's environment the better.
The sooner Kizer was put in an environment to prepare himself for eventual starting status the better. Any further escapades at ND would only be spinning wheels at best, abusive at worst.

Kizer made the correct decision: Carpe diem


Kelly fans will need to find a new 'whipping boy' to atone for BK's errors.

 

[South Bender]

Kizer's decision to leave was based on what he thought was best FOR HIM AND HIS FAMILY at this particular time. Not what was best for ND, BK or his draft positioning.

He agreed with BK's assessment that another year of college would have done him good. His words, not mine. But he also thought that entering the draft now outweighed the benefits of another year in school.

From most of the experts, he's most likely still a 1st rounder. The kid is going to be a millionaire and can provide for his family. Anyone would have a very difficult time convincing him he made the wrong decision.

 

[NyyorkerND]

I think you missed his point.

No I was in agreement with Bizzy. Nocal clearly dislikes Kelly but we all knew Kizer came out too early. Pete Carroll said the same thing about Mark Sanchez. I think by Kelly saying he needs more grooming it's doing Kizer a benefit in the long run by giving him an opportunity to go to a team that knows he's not going to start from day one. In all likelihood he'll end up on a better team and have the ability to work on his craft rather than being thrown to the wolves.

 

[Telx1]

It's a conundrum of sorts. Kizer has a great arm and great NFL body and high intelligence, and enters the draft with a higher ceiling than the other QBs in this year's draft. He also has mid and short range accuracy issues caused by poor footwork, and this was apparent last season and at the combine. He has been properly coached on his mechanics and knows what to do, but the concern is he tends to revert to his poor footwork when under pressure. His performance at the combine reinforced these concerns, and then his performance at NDs pro day was outstanding, thus creating more confusion. I'm hoping he ends up an instant millionaire and gets drafted by Pitt with the opportunity to develop under Big Ben for a year or two.

 

[perseverare]

M Farrell's mock has 3 QB's going ahead of Kizer. Teams:Buffalo, Jets, Cards
3 teams that historically strike out with the QB choices.

 

[Irishjohn68]

what a strange bunch you guys are; you tout BW as superior to DK; many have blamed DK for Kelly's failures, (even Kelly hints blame) and this is a kid who you think should have returned to ND?

He was 'unprepared' by the guy who claims he is not prepared.
So return and risk wasting another year.

He was under appreciated by fans
A segment of fans felt he should be riding the bench and that would be the clamor w/the 1st opp.

The NFL and CF are completely different leagues; no QB is truly NFL ready.
The sooner Kizer got out of BK's environment the better.
The sooner Kizer was put in an environment to prepare himself for eventual starting status the better. Any further escapades at ND would only be spinning wheels at best, abusive at worst.

Kizer made the correct decision: Carpe diem


Kelly fans will need to find a new 'whipping boy' to atone for BK's errors.

My God would you shut the hell up. Not one person has said Winbush is better the Kizer, not one. Kelly has admitted blame but at one point do you think that Kizer needs to take some responsibility for his play? It is so easy for idiots like you to blame Kelly for every damn think because you have some twisted agenda. Just shut the hell up and go back to the rock you crawled out from under.

 

[john0gaunt]

For the record I think Wimbush is a vastly better talent than Kizer. If he stays healthy we will forget DK quickly.

 

[stu4don]

"The sooner Kizer was put in an environment to prepare himself for eventual starting status the better. Any further escapades at ND would only be spinning wheels at best, abusive at worst."

Really Perse?! Abusive?

Kizer will be fine. I said it before. Last yea he lost his offensive line (his center, LT both NFL players and Elmer who would have been NFL) AND ALL OF HIS RECEIVERS last year. It was down year for our offense -- we were green everywhere. I don't blame last year on Kizer and I predict he has the tools to be an NFL QB. I think he would have benefited from another year in college and vs. the kinda talent ND will face this tough season.

In the end, going later rather than earlier might be a good things as he might go to a team that can groom him to be an NFL QB.

Great kid. Wish him the best! Brees was 2nd round. Brady, Montana were late rounders. Kizer will be fine

 

[SeanPol355]

Kizer solved a major problem facing some college athletes.
He figured out how to get paid while finishing his QB education.

 

[perseverare]

being a QB in the NFL is a continuing education.

 

[SeanPol355]

being a QB in the NFL is a continuing education.

Good point. Better yet to get $1M a year while continuing that education..

 

[echowaker]

He is considered a project because Kelly taught him nothing. Whoever drafts him will have to start from scratch.

Sanford didn't t do anything for him either.

 

[perseverare]

According to Kizer, Sanford did a great deal for his development. He took a player buried down the bench and he will now be at worst a 2nd round draft choice.

Sanford did not have the autonomy needed. Kelly still was controling every aspect of that team.

 

[IRISHJD98]

 

[perseverare]

He's a guy that I think extremely highly of," said Sanford. "I think he's got all the tools to be an incredibly successful quarterback. I think he's a guy that can go out there and really do something from the very beginning. The thing I think about DeShone that's so impressive is just the intellect that he brings to the game. We put an inordinate amount of stuff on his plate and he was able to go out there and make a lot of plays with as much checking as he did at the line of scrimmage, maintaining protections and managing the run game. His bandwidth is so broad already that I think he's ready to be a NFL starting quarterback. I've had the chance to be around Andrew Luck at Stanford. Same thing. Great intellect. Body type is durable. And then also Brandon Doughty here as a redshirt. Thats 's NFL quarterback. Kevin Hogan at Stanford. Iv'e had the chance to be around three NFL quarterback and there's no doubt in my mind DeShone Kizer's ready to be an NFL quarterback."

Everyone has an opinion.
Kelly may be the Joan Crawford of college football.

Whether it be Rd 1 or 2 or 3 Kizer will be in the NFL. Making a lot of $.