Do you have ANY data to support this, or is it just an opinion?
Hartman = Pyne
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How about the fact that he has thrown more TD Passes than anyone in the history of the ACC ?
We'll all eagerly await your " that doesn't tell me anything " reply.
I guess it means something, but it's 5 years worth of play.
Drew beat John Huarte in QBR in his first year. Huarte has a Heisman...
Comparing stats
Sam”s last 2 seasons dwarfs anything Pyne has done,
DP’s lack of arm talent handcuffed the ND offense.
You're joking right?
Sam had a RTG of 125 his first year, 55% completion rate, 16/8 TD/INT against weak competition went 8-5.
Drew had a RTG of 155, 65% completion rate, 22/6 TD/INT playing 5 ranked teams, 4-1 including 2 top 5. Went 8-2.
My mistake for engaging you, I apologize. I thought you were a serious person.
I know ya love the rankings, so gotta love Hartman being the #1 ranked QB in the transfer portal!
Sam Hartman longest pass 68
Nonsense.. Hartman has 13K yards 5 years experience that alone puts him way beyond payne who was learning on the job.. Constantly missing 3-5 yards throws thrown behind the line of scrimmage.. His deep balls were constantly under thrown.. Hartman would be a huge get and improve the QB position immediately.
Hartman has way more experience and confidence than Pyne. Plus his passes won't be swatted down at the line like Pyne's. Pyne was horrendous at that.
| 2021 and 2022 |
|---|
| CMP | ATT | CMP% | YDS | AVG | TD | INT | LNG | RTG |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 270 | 428 | 63.1 | 3,701 | 8.6 | 38 | 12 | 68 | 159.4 |
| 299 | 508 | 58.9 | 4,228 | 8.3 | 39 | 14 | 75 | 148.6 |
2021 and 2022
3700 yards and 4200 yards
Almost 80 TD passes in 2 years
RTG of 159 and 148
No comparison!! Same is a much better QB
You're comparing a 3rd and 4th year to Drew's 1st year. And Drew outperformed Sam's 3rd year. Drew's completion percentage was better in his 1st year than Sam in his 3rd and 4th year.
There is no data to support your claim.
Here is what I am comparing:
Who is the best QB TODAY! Who knows how good Drew will be in 2-4 years. I just know today 12/29/22 Sam has better stats and is the better QB.
A serious person wouldn’t even try to make the argument that you are trying to make
Man you are fuuuuuuuny!!!!
You are probably the only ND fan on this board that is sad Drew is leaving.
Are you honestly saying Drew is better than Sam? No one on this board will agree with that. ND had zero of a pass threat because of Drew. He is very limited.
Drew had a 64% passing completion right? But had 300 less passing attempts. The majority of Drew’s passes were short passes. But Sam had 63% completions to Drews 64%.
I'm not sad Drew is leaving. I'm just agreeing with the OP that Hartman is not much of an upgrade over Drew. I've been on the board long enough to know that what the board thinks is likely wrong, but that's beside the point.
Drew had an 80% win rate in his first and only year as the starter at ND. Harman played 5 years and never had that winning percentage. Ever. Winning percentage is the ONLY number that matters to me.
Ask yourself the following questions
Would you want Drew as the starting ND QB in 2023?
If your answer is no, then so what if Sam is on the roster. Sam is not gonna win the Heisman. But Sam can lead this ND team to a very good season. Sam is definitely an upgrade from Drew. Tommy will not be limited in his play calling. I expect a Book type style offense.
I would have hoped Buchner would beat out Drew in 2023. I have nothing against Sam, but I hope Buchner beats him for the starting job in 2023. Buchner, with a couple years experience and staying healthy, could be a Heisman candidate. His upside is much higher than Sam. Sam will be great bench strength while Buchner starts.
Ideally I want to see Buchner in 23 and 24, then Minchey and Carr the next 3 or 4 years.
I want to see Buchner win the job too. Who wouldnt? Hes an ND kid, not a transfer. Hopefully he beats out Hartman and lives up to his potential
I’d love for him to be better than Hartman…. He said Buchner has heisman potential. No clue how someone can think that.
I think Buchner can be starter in 24 but struggle to see him beating out Hartman.
We scored 10 points and he had 10 completions… he didn’t turn it over is about only positive… he went like 2 for 11 to end the game
Osu isn’t a good D
I hope Buchner lights it up tomorrow…. I was high on him coming to nd until he changed throwing motion and didn’t fix it at nd…
We should absolutely have no issue scoring tomorrow so he needs to have a good game to give him a chance to compete for starting spot next year.
We should absolutely have no issue scoring tomorrow so he needs to have a good game to give him a chance to compete for starting spot next year.
Buchner was a 5* in HS before covid shutdown his season. If he stays healthy and plays to his potential in 23 then returns experienced in 2024 and goes 11-1 or better, of course he’s in the Heisman conversation.
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He changed his throwing motion and has not looked good throwing since… well documented
I would love to see any ND QB in the Heisman race.
Minchey or Carr will end up transferring. Neither one came to ND to sit the bench.
Sam VS TB will be a good battle. If TB is not the starter in 2023 he will transfer.
I think minchey and carr can co exist if minchey is qb in 24
I don’t think the battle will be much between Sam and tb in 23. I think the battle will be between minchey and tb for 24 qb, loser of that battle probably goes elsewhere
See, we agree on everything. This is all I've been saying the last year, year and a half.
Now if you could just see that Drew maximized his game and played to the best of his ability, and that if all our players could do that, this team would be championship caliber....
For Buchner, next season begins today.
Drew gave ND everything he had. He left everything on the field.
I agree with you on everything except for Carr and Minchey coexisting.
Neither signed up to be second string. The portal will draw one of them in.
My point is both can start at nd for 2-3 years … does car redshirt and wait if minchey is the real deal, if he loves nd he does
I just don’t see CJ or Minchey sitting for 2-3 years. 1 year? Yes, 2-3? Nope!
