Golson

[stu4don]

No fumbles, not ints.... Undefeated.

Not saying I don't like Kizer (he has NFL measureables) but he is a freshman and is still learning. Golson has a better arm than Kizer or Zaire. With this year's offensive line and defense, we'd be undefeated if he was our QB. I know I stirring up s-t here but I'm just saying... How many of those skipped Kizer throws would have been darts from Ev. It is what it is, but as a ND fan it does make me question Kelly a bit and the way he coaches up the QBs (and I'm a fan of our coach.) Either way, it would have been nice to have a four year starter at the helm this year. We have the talent (and playmakers) to go with anyone.

Happy for the kid.

Now lets go beat USC.

 

[john0gaunt]

This TEAM would have been better off if Golson had never attended ND. That's his legacy.

Go Irish!

 

[stu4don]

We would not have made it to our first National Championship game since f-ing 1989 if Tommy Rees was the starter! You really know nothing about football dude!

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

We would not have made it to our first National Championship game since f-ing 1989 if Tommy Rees wasn't the back-up to save Golson's ass at least 3 times. You really know nothing about football dude.

 

[john0gaunt]

Tommy could have brought us to the NC game, he bailed out Golson repeatedly in 2012. Or we had other QB's that could have stepped up. It was the defense, and the rest of the team, that took us to the NC game, not Golson.

Go Irish!

 

[TeddyOH]

I'm not going to knock Golson here, but there is a reason why undefeated FSU is ranked only #11. They have played an absolutely PATHETIC schedule, and have looked lackluster in beating those terrible teams.

I think we're a better team with Zaire at QB. Certainly we'd all rather have Golson as our backup than Kizer, but no way he was going to even compete for the #1 spot. That says a lot about his character and toughness.

 

[allaboutthecash]

Kelly obviously puts his QB's under tremendous pressure and asks them to do more than they are capable, therefor they eventually fail.
Crist, Rees, Golson all got their career's off to great starts only to eventually get worn down by Kelly expectations and torment where they lose confidence etc...

 

[kellyirish35]

Kelly obviously puts his QB's under tremendous pressure and asks them to do more than they are capable, therefor they eventually fail.
Crist, Rees, Golson all got their career's off to great starts only to eventually get worn down by Kelly expectations and torment where they lose confidence etc...

Have you ever been to a ND practice ? Have you ever been on the ND sideline for a game ?
Have you ever been to a film session w the QB's and kelly ?

BTW Kelly MADE Tommy Rees's career -- oh I know Kelly had a meeting w Golson and forced him into pics sixes last yr due too expecting to much out of him -- internet rabble

 

[HDK]

I'm not fond of Golson. Here's a guy who was coddled his first year as starter (and remember, he was a sophomore who had enrolled early, so he had plenty of time to prep for his role). Then he gets kicked out in a cheating scandal and is welcomed back open arms only to turn into a turnover nightmare. Even after finally getting shown the bench, we are led to believe he was informed he would be the starting quarterback this year. So how does he repay the loyalty? He bolts at the first chance he gets but only after essentially robbing his backups of practice time. I'm thinking even if I hated Kelly, I would have stuck around around the last year for the teammates who supported me even after I let them down many times.

 

[kellyirish35]

I'm not fond of Golson. Here's a guy who was coddled his first year as starter (and remember, he was a sophomore who had enrolled early, so he had plenty of time to prep for his role). Then he gets kicked out in a cheating scandal and is welcomed back open arms only to turn into a turnover nightmare. Even after finally getting shown the bench, we are led to believe he was informed he would be the starting quarterback this year. So how does he repay the loyalty? He bolts at the first chance he gets but only after essentially robbing his backups of practice time. I'm thinking even if I hated Kelly, I would have stuck around around the last year for the teammates who supported me even after I let them down many times.

Agreed 100% we would be in the thick of the national championship if he had stayed - insult to injury he goes to play for those criminals

An aside the NCAA needs to have these type of transfers sit out a year --this whoring around by these kids after they graduate from school and shopping for a school their 5th yr is laughable

 

[perseverare]

No fumbles, not ints.... Undefeated.

Not saying I don't like Kizer (he has NFL measureables) but he is a freshman and is still learning. Golson has a better arm than Kizer or Zaire. With this year's offensive line and defense, we'd be undefeated if he was our QB. I know I stirring up s-t here but I'm just saying... How many of those skipped Kizer throws would have been darts from Ev. It is what it is, but as a ND fan it does make me question Kelly a bit and the way he coaches up the QBs (and I'm a fan of our coach.) Either way, it would have been nice to have a four year starter at the helm this year. We have the talent (and playmakers) to go with anyone.

Happy for the kid.

Now lets go beat USC.

arm strength re Golson is grossly overstated and was the brainchild of a former ND DT who never saw the field.
Kizer and Wimbush have arms as strong or stronger! I believe MZ also is hos equal!
As for rushing: EG does not like contact, lacks QB instincts and is absolutely not a leadet!

At FSU his role is low keyed; he is playing the role he played in 2012.

And he has not faced any adversity as yet.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Golson plays for FSU - wish him well but I could care less how well he performs. Honestly, I am glad he is gone because, IMO, MZ and DK are twice the leader that Golson could ever be at ND. Why even bring this up unless you want to keep taking 'pot shots' at the team and staff playing the 'what-if' game after the fact.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

Golson is an ND grad and will forever be an ND man. When you graduate you have every right to move on to what you think is your best opportunity. The notion that he betrayed teammates and ND is based on a standard that no other ND student would be held to.

 

[echowaker]

No fumbles, not ints.... Undefeated.

Not saying I don't like Kizer (he has NFL measureables) but he is a freshman and is still learning. Golson has a better arm than Kizer or Zaire. With this year's offensive line and defense, we'd be undefeated if he was our QB. I know I stirring up s-t here but I'm just saying... How many of those skipped Kizer throws would have been darts from Ev. It is what it is, but as a ND fan it does make me question Kelly a bit and the way he coaches up the QBs (and I'm a fan of our coach.) Either way, it would have been nice to have a four year starter at the helm this year. We have the talent (and playmakers) to go with anyone.

Happy for the kid.

Now lets go beat USC.

sounds like last year at this point.

 

[Pennick4]

I like ND's QB situation today and in the near future.

 

[Toby Smart]

I have not watched an FSU game this season and I have a legit serious question. Does EG still run around with the ball sticking out from his body with one hand? He wanted to play it stubborn in 2014 and do it his way and it cost plenty.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Golson is an ND grad and will forever be an ND man. When you graduate you have every right to move on to what you think is your best opportunity. The notion that he betrayed teammates and ND is based on a standard that no other ND student would be held to.

Exactly, and I wish him nothing short of great success

 

[ivan brunetti]

I wonder what the result of the Clemson game would have been with Golson at ND?

 

[Irish Grandeur]

I wonder what the result of the Clemson game would have been with Golson at ND?

Why waste your time or mental energy?

 

[kellyirish35]

For his sake I hope Golson makes some money for himself and I hope FSU doesnt win another f-- - game . There program and Golson's decision revolt me

 

[Toby Smart]

Exactly, and I wish him nothing short of great success

Everything I have heard is there was friction between EG and MZ. EG took most of the snaps in Spring practice and left with no warning to the staff or team. That left DK with no chance to get acclimated to the offense . Who knew that it would come back to DK so soon in the season. EG might be a Notre Dame grad but he left his "beloved" program in a lurch. This is not me talking but coming from ND media insiders. It worked out for the best for ND and that's what I care about.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Everything I have heard is there was friction between EG and MZ. EG took most of the snaps in Spring practice and left with no warning to the staff or team. That left DK with no chance to get acclimated to the offense . Who knew that it would come back to DK so soon in the season. EG might be a Notre Dame grad but he left his "beloved" program in a lurch. This is not me talking but coming from ND media insiders. It worked out for the best for ND and that's what I care about.

Came from the players as well. Fuller was quoted saying that Golson never even said goodbye to the team. Honestly, I haven't given him a second thought since he left other than when the 'what-if' crowd brings him up.

 

[NDFaninMadTown]

Golson has been nothing but a game manager at FSU. They don't let him throw a lot, so he's not dropping back to pass, very seldom has designed runs, and that's why they've cut back on his picks. FSU's offense revolves around giving it to Cook and letting him run it, with Golson making the occasional 3rd down conversion pass.

They are the second least impressive unbeaten team out there along with MSU. It's just a matter of time. Remember, through 6 games last year, he was pretty good for ND too.

 

[hvillebill]

No fumbles, not ints.... Undefeated.

Not saying I don't like Kizer (he has NFL measureables) but he is a freshman and is still learning. Golson has a better arm than Kizer or Zaire. With this year's offensive line and defense, we'd be undefeated if he was our QB. I know I stirring up s-t here but I'm just saying... How many of those skipped Kizer throws would have been darts from Ev. It is what it is, but as a ND fan it does make me question Kelly a bit and the way he coaches up the QBs (and I'm a fan of our coach.) Either way, it would have been nice to have a four year starter at the helm this year. We have the talent (and playmakers) to go with anyone.

Happy for the kid.

Now lets go beat USC.

Have you watched FSU? Their offense is very vanilla with Golson throwing out in the flat and not downfield. Running the ball with Cook and relying upon that. Very, very safe. Not being coached up any more than at ND.

I believe the FSU coaching staff knows what he can and can't do and ultimately they will not be a playoff contender.

 

[HDK]

I did watch some of the second half of the Miami game,and I thought Golson looked pretty good. He threaded a needle on one key third down pass, had a nice scramble for a first down and actually tucked the ball away.

I mean the guy obviously has talent, but he was also inconsistent for us.

To the posters who say he is a ND grad and he can do what he pleases, I call BS. If he wasn't a starter on the football team he may not have been readmitted. And I for one think you owe something to your teammates.

 

[Quest4Twelve]

arm strength re Golson is grossly overstated and was the brainchild of a former ND DT who never saw the field.
Kizer and Wimbush have arms as strong or stronger! I believe MZ also is hos equal!
As for rushing: EG does not like contact, lacks QB instincts and is absolutely not a leadet!

At FSU his role is low keyed; he is playing the role he played in 2012.

And he has not faced any adversity as yet.

Living in central Florida I've seen every FSU game and that is spot on. Jimbo does not put Golson in position to be the reason they win or lose. That is why Dalviin Cook as a s ton of yards and carries!

 

[HRC08]

I was talking to my wife about Golson on Saturday night. Even she understands that he's a crappy person for leaving ND in the lurch after they stuck by him after getting kicked out of school.

 

[theskibro]

No fumbles, not ints.... Undefeated.

Not saying I don't like Kizer (he has NFL measureables) but he is a freshman and is still learning. Golson has a better arm than Kizer or Zaire. With this year's offensive line and defense, we'd be undefeated if he was our QB. I know I stirring up s-t here but I'm just saying... How many of those skipped Kizer throws would have been darts from Ev. It is what it is, but as a ND fan it does make me question Kelly a bit and the way he coaches up the QBs (and I'm a fan of our coach.) Either way, it would have been nice to have a four year starter at the helm this year. We have the talent (and playmakers) to go with anyone.

Happy for the kid.

Now lets go beat USC.

Don

Agree No one forced his hand to leave and THAT was why he is not the right QB for ND. He - to my surprise, cause I supported EG big time -- is a quitter like Kiel. For that reason , good riddance. Never thought I would say that about EG, but he is weak mentally.

Those saying his arm is not better than Kizer and Zaire are on drugs. Strong arm. And if we do not have Golson, no ffin way we even come close to making the NC game. Case in point --

Pittsburgh, Golson takes it in to win game. So Gaunt - what would Tommy turnover have done?

Golson did that repeatedly. He did more than ride the bus.

I am ready for Wimbush - I think he will be the next great ND QB -- if he can go thru the progressions.

 

[stu4don]

Thanks Bro, I was just doing the sitting around the bar drinking a beer what if thing? I thought that is what this site is for. I like Tommy Rees -- he gave us everything and more but he will never be the QB Golson was (even when EG was a RS Frosh.) No way we go 12-0 with Tommy as starter and yes, Tommy did finish some games well for us that year! Kizer will be a good one and I am beginning to believe he has a better chance to play on Sundays than Golson or Malik. He has real size and a natural feel for the pocket (but needs to improve his throwing.)

Finally, I wasn't wishing EG was back (maybe a little as Kizer does only look to one receiver but that will come in time) --- it is clear that what EG had in rocket arm and late game moxie he lacked in leadership ability (he is just a quiet kid, his interviews were always kinda painful, not his fault -- just who he is!) and maybe it was just time for him to move on.

As a fellow ND alum I wish him the best.

More importantly I want Kizer to be the best! And take us to the final four!

 

[Bumpdaddy]

Golson owed his teammates and university after he was kicked out for his academic issue. The easy decision at the time would have been to move on but he didn't do that. He came back, worked hard, got his degree, and tried his best to carry a football team with a disappointing offensive line and a very weak defense on his back. Obviously the last part didn't work out, but at the very least the ledger between Golson and the university/his teammates should have been considered even. The notion that he left his teammates in the lurch after spring shows me that some people are only looking at the situation from one perspective - the football program. Almost everyone agrees that Golson had a lot to prove in the spring after his turnover riddled season, and rightfully so, but they forget there was another perspective to consider. Golson's. Suiting up for spring ball was also an opportunity for Golson to see if some of the other problems had been fixed like the offensive line and the defense, and of course it was an opportunity for Golson to see if he could progress as a QB under Kelly and that staying for his 5th year would give him the best opportunity to make it to the NFL. In the end he obviously decided moving on gave him the best opportunity to pursue his dream.

Look, no one that I know of has ever tried to make the case that every player with a 5th year of eligibility deserves to automatically be given a roster spot. ND, like all other programs, does what's best for the team and many of those players are forced to move on. This shouldn't be a one way street. Players with 5th year options who can come back shouldn't be looked down upon when they decide not to come back.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Golson has been nothing but a game manager at FSU. They don't let him throw a lot, so he's not dropping back to pass, very seldom has designed runs, and that's why they've cut back on his picks. FSU's offense revolves around giving it to Cook and letting him run it, with Golson making the occasional 3rd down conversion pass.

They are the second least impressive unbeaten team out there along with MSU. It's just a matter of time. Remember, through 6 games last year, he was pretty good for ND too.

Golson has an 150 QB rating Avg 215 ypg 8 TD 0 int

 

[Chitownrealist]

Kind of an absurd question right? Maybe he would have broken his leg against UVA and his pre-draft year would be over. Maybe he would have fumbled four times in a monsoon and we would have lost to Clemson by 3 TDs. Maybe he would have 15 TDs and he and Fuller would be in the running for 1-2 Heisman. Wish him luck and move on.

 

[D_Master]

Good god look at who he's played. If Zaire or possibly even Kizer played that schedule they'd look like a future All American. FSU has beaten Texas St, South Florida, Boston College, Wake Forest & Miami. You dont think ND playing w/ Kizer who was a 3rd stringer 6 mos ago wouldnt be undefeated too? Not trying to take a shot at EG, but dont want people to get carried away w/ his performance yet either. I want to see how he does at Clemson.

 

[perseverare]

there was a song a long time ago titled
"I don't want him, you can have him, he's no good for me"
And that is my ND thinking regarding EG.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

He came back and got his degree, and that's all you can ask of him. Any animosity towards EG is simply wrong.

 

[Epictitus]

FSU's "excellent" running back beat on a girl in a Tallahassee bar and a previous record that makes him perfect for FSU or a penitentiary . Winston must be proud!

 

[Irish Grandeur]

He came back and got his degree, and that's all you can ask of him. Any animosity towards EG is simply wrong.

No animosity - I do not root for him or against him. The OP states that ND would be undefeated with EG which is a statement that is not based on fact.

There has been so much 'what-if' talk on this board lately (e.g. another head coach, another defensive coordinator, EG playing for ND, etc.) that it just gets tiresome. The Irish have a good team and a good coaching staff with a chance to play in the BCS and possibly the playoffs this year but a good portion of this fan base (if they truly are fans of ND) just can't accept that we have what we have for a team and so far ND is looking good. EG plays for FSU and, personally, I am glad he moved on.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Actually there was so little proof he was involved outside of having met the girl that night that the case fell apart. Do you understand how the justice system works?

 

[TurnoverMachine]

No fumbles, not ints.... Undefeated.

Not saying I don't like Kizer (he has NFL measureables) but he is a freshman and is still learning. Golson has a better arm than Kizer or Zaire. With this year's offensive line and defense, we'd be undefeated if he was our QB. I know I stirring up s-t here but I'm just saying... How many of those skipped Kizer throws would have been darts from Ev. It is what it is, but as a ND fan it does make me question Kelly a bit and the way he coaches up the QBs (and I'm a fan of our coach.) Either way, it would have been nice to have a four year starter at the helm this year. We have the talent (and playmakers) to go with anyone.

Happy for the kid.

Now lets go beat USC.

Golson does not have a better arm than Malik.

Don't you get it? The reason why Golson is not turning the ball over is because of coaching. He's a game manager now at FSU. There is a reason why Jimbo has produced three 1st round NFL draft pick quarterbacks since arriving in Tallahassee. How many has Kelly produced? None. Coaching matters!

 

[no1e]

FSU's "excellent" running back beat on a girl in a Tallahassee bar and a previous record that makes him perfect for FSU or a penitentiary . Winston must be proud!

Your shrink off today?