Go Irish !! Crush the canes !!
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Go Irish ! Crush the canes !!!
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Fleck can Will his teams to win. I like Moorehead or Fleck. Whoever ND hires next they have to get it right. Kelly laid a foundation I'll give him that. Now it's time to build the house.
I have watched both Minnesota games this year. The Gophers struggled at home vs Buffalo in their opener. They looked good on the road against Oregon State, which is the PACs answer to Kansas and Rutgers. Fleck is all motivational posters and fairy dust. That isn't going to get him wins over teams like Georgia or USC.
You mean the same Oregon State team that got beat by 58-27 by Colorado State and beat Portland Freaking State by a score of 35-32?
Oregon State is not a bar by which to judge anything, Bodi.
Sure Oregon State is a bad team but so is Minnesota. Fleck's players love him and that's more then we can say about Brian Kelly. I stepped aside when other more knowledgeable posters said that Fleck needed more seasoning. That he wasn't ready for ND and all that it takes. Let's see what he does in year 1 at Minnesota this year. After 7 years, can any of us honestly say that Brian Kelly will win a title at Notre Dame? Ok... then what are we doing? Nothing else matters. We need somebody else and soon.
The OP has a problem with his rationale: (whether or not Fleck is better than Kelly)
Jack Swarbrick does not have a man-crush on PJ Fleck (as far as I know) - like he has on Kelly (or so it would obviously appear).
Worse yet - Fr Jenkins appears to have a similar man-crush on Happy Jack.
Consider that ND bought out Weis' contract after 5 seasons with an average of 7 Wins/year and 5.4 Losses/year
After 7 years Kelly averaged 8.4 Wins/year and 4.4 Loses/year
Not exactly a great improvement and not exactly money well spent. Happy Jack must be in love
Jack Swarbrick does not have a man-crush on PJ Fleck (as far as I know) - like he has on Kelly (or so it would obviously appear).
Worse yet - Fr Jenkins appears to have a similar man-crush on Happy Jack.
Consider that ND bought out Weis' contract after 5 seasons with an average of 7 Wins/year and 5.4 Losses/year
After 7 years Kelly averaged 8.4 Wins/year and 4.4 Loses/year
Not exactly a great improvement and not exactly money well spent. Happy Jack must be in love
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Have to roll the dice. I'd say brohm from purdue. ND is dead right now.
Is Fleck Catholic? I want a spirit of Notre Dame tough hard nosed coach not just a rah rah lets go men secular type of coach. I want a coach that will make the other team s**t their pants when they walk on our field.
Matt Rhule might become available (he walked into a mess at Baylor; 0 - 2 early at Baylor).
Having said that - don't see Kelly leaving ND anytime soon - with the love fest between Jenkins - Swarbrick - Kelly !
Let's let the season play out before anointing Fleck the 2nd coming of Jesus -- he still has a B1G schedule to navigate. Buffalo and Oregon State (whose only win was against Portland State) are NOT in the same class as Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa and others --
Wanted Kelly fired last year for putting friendship with BVG above the The interest of his players and university. Didn't happen but impressed with all the change that did. He deserves to be on a short leash with ND fans, but don't think he deserves to be trashed because of the Georgia game. Thought we were beat by a better team, not out coached.
Man has the OP done a complete turnaround. From predicting an undefeated season and praising all of Kelly's changes to now calling for his head, and all this after a 1-point loss to an extremely good team. I'm a big fan of PJ Fleck and love what he's doing at Minnesota, but to suddenly anoint him as the prospective savior is something only the fickle would embrace.
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In the end, after all the fan's hand ringing, this program and school needs a cultural change. It's not just a coaching change, it's everything. Fleck or someone with a big personality that can rise above the noise of the national notoriety who can bring the enthusiasm and emote the confidence within the team and program - is needed badly. No 5* player is coming to ND because of Kelly or the school. In fact, players shy away from Kelly. They don't buy into him or the crap he is shoveling. It's been that way since the beginning. Surprised people have just not noticed. The entire situation and responsibility will revert back to Swarbrick. The mistake, which was a colossal, classic management mistake, is all on Swarbrick. He allowed money (contract cost) and personality/relationships to intercede ahead of judgement. ND football has become a so-so program. The brand has been seriously tarnished. That is on Swarbrick and the BOT. Candidly, a strong argument now can be made that both Swarbrick and Kelly should go. This is not just a coaching problem anymore. It is about culture and perception as much as a quality coach and program. Until the administration wakes up and realizes this...well, just expect more of the same. Mediocrity!
Oregon State is significantly worse than Minnesota. Oregon State hasn't been as good for a decade. The 2001 Beaver Fiesta Bowl team is in the distant past.
I am beginning to the think the OP has no clue of what he speaks about.
PJ. Fleck is not ready to be the HC at ND, despite what you and the other poster believe.
Temple would be about a six point favorite over Oregon State and The Gophers would be about a ten point favorite over the Owls.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
Right, like I SAID Temple would beat Oregon State about like Minnesota beat Oregon
State. Because Oregon State is a lot worse than that spread. You did see what CSU did to them right? CSU might win the MWC but they are not a juggernaut. A solid team.
The prior poster, (you know the one who you said was posting the truth I can't accept), said ND needs Fleck or someone like him. Of course, we all know that you want Kelly replaced, but you refuse to say who you would like to see replace him.
Worrying about whether or not the next coach is catholic is perhaps the most asinine thing I have heard yet.
ND would be favored by ten over the Gophers on a neutral field.
Yep, for Bodi, going from penthouse to doghouse is a short trip. In Bodi's world, quite sure if Fleck were hired, he'd would go from savior to pariah after his first loss.
By neutral field, do you mean ND Stadium over run with Minny fans or do you mean neutral field by the very definition?
Do you have inside info that Kelly's players don't like him? Amazing.
Spot on. Sawbrick needs to go along w BK.
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