For everybody saying Oklahoma will have the better schedule.

[beachcardinal]

Oh before I get started the Screen name is because when I signed up I signed up on the Boiler site to go in and trash a Boiler fan that was talking about the Irish. I actually grew up rooting for both the Irish and Boilermakers because I had relatives at both.The Irish will have played 6 games against top 35 teams in the country when the season ends. Oklahoma will have 3 all against the Big 12 and 2 of those against teams that will not have had their starting QB's Baylor and TCU most likely. Now all these Big Twelve teams have only played 3 top 35 teams as well in each other. Oklahoma will also have the Texas loss as well with ND having the loss by 1 yard at Clemson. Also if you look beyond the 6 top 35 teams ND will have played and Oklahoma only having 3 with a possibility of adding Tennessee if they win at Mizzou. The bottom 6 overall on both teams schedule are fairly even. This computer strength of schedue is complete BS. Also out of the 6 top 35 teams ND will have played 4 on the road. Yes Oklahoma will have played 2 of their 3 on the road but one missing their starting QB. So lets get real if there is no Big 12 undefeated then none deserve to go ahead of the Irish. If OK State goes undefeated you have to give them the nod strictly for being undefeated even though I believe ND is a better team than OK State but no one loss Big Twelve is going ahead of the Irish. The biggest ND nightmare is Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma State undefeated and one loss Bama and that is the scenario no Irish fan wants to see!

The thing: is top 35? There are only about 66 or so power five and major independents. And these include teams like Purdue, Wake, you grt the point. Top 35 won't impress the committee. IMO they are looking at top twenty and lower wins. I think the Irish will be passed by an undefeated Big 12 team, after all they were left out last yeer. But that may not happen. If not I think the Irish stay in. A team ahead could also lose.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

You think Clemson is a better team than Bama? The same Clemson team which struggled to beat Syracuse this past Saturday?

Clemson never trailed in the game and led from the 2nd Qtr on. They didn't have an impressive win but it wasn't exactly a struggle either. Oh, and this was a road game for them. Alabama on the other hand was losing to Tennessee at home with under 6 minutes left in the game. If you are going to focus on Clemson's least impressive win you should at least bring up Alabama's least impressive win and Alabama actually did struggle at home.

 

[NDSMC78]

Clemson never trailed in the game and led from the 2nd Qtr on. They didn't have an impressive win but it wasn't exactly a struggle either. Oh, and this was a road game for them. Alabama on the other hand was losing to Tennessee at home with under 6 minutes left in the game. If you are going to focus on Clemson's least impressive win you should at least bring up Alabama's least impressive win and Alabama actually did struggle at home.

OK, but I think Tennessee is a whole lot better team than Syracuse is. Right now, Tennessee is 6-4, including a loss to Oklahoma. Syracuse is 3-7.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

That really isn't the point. You were saying Clemson struggled against Syracuse in order to prove they weren't as good as Bama. They didn't struggle. They just didn't win impressively. There's a difference. And the fact that Tennessee is a better team than Syracuse doesn't negate the fact that they are only a slightly better than average team and Alabama, a team you think is better than Clemson, really did struggle against them at home. That game was even closer to being an Alabama loss when you consider Tennessee missed 3 FG in the game. In comparison, Clemson's less than impressive win over Syracuse was still more impressive than Alabama's narrow escape win over Tennessee at home.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Are there a lot of people saying OU's schedule is better? The computer rankings have it significantly worse the ND's.

Pretty much all the radio host on college sport channel Sirius Radio said the same thing dispite their common opponent out come. Let the screwing begin

 

[DieHard_Irish]

That really isn't the point. You were saying Clemson struggled against Syracuse in order to prove they weren't as good as Bama. They didn't struggle. They just didn't win impressively. There's a difference. And the fact that Tennessee is a better team than Syracuse doesn't negate the fact that they are only a slightly better than average team and Alabama, a team you think is better than Clemson, really did struggle against them at home. That game was even closer to being an Alabama loss when you consider Tennessee missed 3 FG in the game. In comparison, Clemson's less than impressive win over Syracuse was still more impressive than Alabama's narrow escape win over Tennessee at home.

Agreed!

 

[NDSMC78]

That really isn't the point. You were saying Clemson struggled against Syracuse in order to prove they weren't as good as Bama. They didn't struggle. They just didn't win impressively. There's a difference. And the fact that Tennessee is a better team than Syracuse doesn't negate the fact that they are only a slightly better than average team and Alabama, a team you think is better than Clemson, really did struggle against them at home. That game was even closer to being an Alabama loss when you consider Tennessee missed 3 FG in the game. In comparison, Clemson's less than impressive win over Syracuse was still more impressive than Alabama's narrow escape win over Tennessee at home.

Sorry, the game went into the fourth quarter with Clemson leading 31-24. When you are only up seven over a 3-7 team, I think you are struggling. And no, beating a 3-7 Syracuse team was not more impressive than Bama beating a 6-4 Tennessee team.

 

[SiberianKnightmare]

We can go round and round about computer rankings and human polls, but I'll tell you this...

If ND has to play Bama or Clemson, I'd rather play Clemson.

 

[NDSMC78]

We can go round and round about computer rankings and human polls, but I'll tell you this...

If ND has to play Bama or Clemson, I'd rather play Clemson.

I think most of us would say the same thing.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

Sorry, the game went into the fourth quarter with Clemson leading 31-24. When you are only up seven over a 3-7 team, I think you are struggling. And no, beating a 3-7 Syracuse team was not more impressive than Bama beating a 6-4 Tennessee team.

So far the voters haven't seen it your way.

 

[NDSMC78]

So far the voters haven't seen it your way.

But the odds makers in Las Vegas have.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

And what role do the odds makers have in determining who the top ranked team is?

 

[NDSMC78]

And what role do the odds makers have in determining who the top ranked team is?

Really a ridiculous argument. If you want to go on claiming that Clemson is a better team than Alabama, because Clemson is ranked # 1, and Alabama is ranked # 2, go right ahead. I think ND would have a much better chance of beating Clemson than we would of beating Alabama, and the odds makers also would favor Bama to beat Clemson. But if it makes you feel better to state that Clemson is better than Bama, by all means, do so.

 

[echowaker]

Really a ridiculous argument. If you want to go on claiming that Clemson is a better team than Alabama, because Clemson is ranked # 1, and Alabama is ranked # 2, go right ahead. I think ND would have a much better chance of beating Clemson than we would of beating Alabama, and the odds makers also would favor Bama to beat Clemson. But if it makes you feel better to state that Clemson is better than Bama, by all means, do so.

on a neutral field I think bama would be a 6 point favorite over Clemson.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

Really a ridiculous argument. If you want to go on claiming that Clemson is a better team than Alabama, because Clemson is ranked # 1, and Alabama is ranked # 2, go right ahead. I think ND would have a much better chance of beating Clemson than we would of beating Alabama, and the odds makers also would favor Bama to beat Clemson. But if it makes you feel better to state that Clemson is better than Bama, by all means, do so.

Well, this may come as a shock but I don't need your permission to state anything. By the way, you've continued to change the argument. First you claimed Clemson wasn't better than Bama because they struggled against Syracuse. I stated that when you are leading against a team from the 2nd Qtr. on that really isn't "struggling." At first you agreed with me, and then you didn't. When I pointed out the voters also agreed with me, which are the only people that really matter right now when it comes to who the best teams in CFB are, you bring up the odds makers who have nothing to do with determining who the best team is. You keep moving your argument. So I'll heave some condescension your way and say if it makes you feel better to state Alabama is the best team in the country when all the polls say they aren't, by all means, do so.

 

[NDSMC78]

Well, this may come as a shock but I don't need your permission to state anything. By the way, you've continued to change the argument. First you claimed Clemson wasn't better than Bama because they struggled against Syracuse. I stated that when you are leading against a team from the 2nd Qtr. on that really isn't "struggling." At first you agreed with me, and then you didn't. When I pointed out the voters also agreed with me, which are the only people that really matter right now when it comes to who the best teams in CFB are, you bring up the odds makers who have nothing to do with determining who the best team is. You keep moving your argument. So I'll heave some condescension your way and say if it makes you feel better to state Alabama is the best team in the country when all the polls say they aren't, by all means, do so.

Point 1. I did not say that Bama is a better team than Clemson because Clemson struggled with Syracuse. Bama is just a better team than Clemson, IMO.

Point 2. No matter how you slice it, leading by only 7 going into the fourth quarter is struggling.

Point 3. I am well aware that the voters have Clemson #1. That's great. I still think Bama is a better team than Clemson. I could give a crap whether you agree with me.

Point 4. Tennessee is a much better team than Syracuse. Syracuse is actually pretty bad.

Point 5. I don't really give a crap if you don't like what I am posting. Based upon your posts, I don't think you know much about college football.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Point 1. I did not say that Bama is a better team than Clemson because Clemson struggled with Syracuse. Bama is just a better team than Clemson, IMO.

Point 2. No matter how you slice it, leading by only 7 going into the fourth quarter is struggling.

Point 3. I am well aware that the voters have Clemson #1. That's great. I still think Bama is a better team than Clemson. I could give a crap whether you agree with me.

Point 4. Tennessee is a much better team than Syracuse. Syracuse is actually pretty bad.

Point 5. I don't really give a crap if you don't like what I am posting. Based upon your posts, I don't think you know much about college football.

Well this is complete BS response. Dude it's a message board, everyone is entitled to an opinion and to post it. In the none of what me post means anything anyway. You think Bama is the best, great. My original opinion was to point out the farce that it is to determine it.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

Point 1. I did not say that Bama is a better team than Clemson because Clemson struggled with Syracuse. Bama is just a better team than Clemson, IMO.

Point 2. No matter how you slice it, leading by only 7 going into the fourth quarter is struggling.

Point 3. I am well aware that the voters have Clemson #1. That's great. I still think Bama is a better team than Clemson. I could give a crap whether you agree with me.

Point 4. Tennessee is a much better team than Syracuse. Syracuse is actually pretty bad.

Point 5. I don't really give a crap if you don't like what I am posting. Based upon your posts, I don't think you know much about college football.

Right, so now I don't know much about college football when I point out inconvenient facts. You were definitely pointing out that Clemson wasn't the best team because they struggled against Syracuse. Also, this is the quote in which you actually agreed with me that Clemson didn't struggle against Syracuse:

OK, but I think Tennessee is a whole lot better team than Syracuse is. Right now, Tennessee is 6-4, including a loss to Oklahoma. Syracuse is 3-7.
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The word "OK" is an affirmation that indicates you agreed with my point. And then of course you tried to take that back when you didn't like what I had to say about Alabama's true struggle against Tennessee at home. And now that you've seen my response to your response it's clear I "don't know much about CFB." Sounds like sour grapes to me when what you thought was a winning argument isn't as solid as you thought it was.

 

[NDSMC78]

Well this is complete BS response. Dude it's a message board, everyone is entitled to an opinion and to post it. In the none of what me post means anything anyway. You think Bama is the best, great. My original opinion was to point out the farce that it is to determine it.

Wasn't even directed to you.

Right, so now I don't know much about college football when I point out inconvenient facts. You were definitely pointing out that Clemson wasn't the best team because they struggled against Syracuse. Also, this is the quote in which you actually agreed with me that Clemson didn't struggle against Syracuse:

OK, but I think Tennessee is a whole lot better team than Syracuse is. Right now, Tennessee is 6-4, including a loss to Oklahoma. Syracuse is 3-7.
​

The word "OK" is an affirmation that indicates you agreed with my point. And then of course you tried to take that back when you didn't like what I had to say about Alabama's true struggle against Tennessee at home. And now that you've seen my response to your response it's clear I "don't know much about CFB." Sounds like sour grapes to me when what you thought was a winning argument isn't as solid as you thought it was.

Don't be ridiculous. Me saying OK doesn't mean I agree with you. It's a term of speech.

 

[IowaIrish1]

I remember thinking the same thing about Bama last year when they were favored by 8 or 9 over OSU. We all saw how that turned out. Truth is we don't know if Bama is better than Clemson until we start getting this teams together to play.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

Don't be ridiculous. Me saying OK doesn't mean I agree with you. It's a term of speech.

Wow, you are unable to concede a point. I know what "OK" means, and I especially know what it means in the context of statement you made. If it was just a term of speech and you really didn't agree with me it seems very obvious to me you would have pointed that out at the time. Instead what you pointed out was that Tennessee was a better team than Syracuse which didn't have anything to do with and certainly didn't contradict me saying Clemson didn't struggle but Alabama did.

 

[NDSMC78]

Don't put words in my mouth. I know what I meant. You do not.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

Well, if we can't use your words to figure out what you meant maybe you should state your positions more clearly or don't post at all. Unlike you, I welcome disagreement, so I'm not advocating for you to stop posting, but you shouldn't be so condescending when someone disagrees with you.

 

[deadirishpoet]

hardly. bama is the best team I've watched this year and that's with very average QB play. best front seven I've seen this year. yeah they lost to ole miss and it took 5 turnovers and a fluke td pass. the thing is they're getting better every week much like ohio st last year. on a neutral field bama would be favored over every other team.

The QB has never been the center of the offense in a coach Saban offense from what I can remember. Big RB's with an aggressive oline w/TE's works, and for those who believe the WR's will be hurt in recruiting ......well ask Julio

Coach Saban is the best at building a complete team offense and defense...

it's an aged old conception with the understanding some tweaking is necessary with some new twist

 

[NDSMC78]

Well, if we can't use your words to figure out what you meant maybe you should state your positions more clearly or don't post at all. Unlike you, I welcome disagreement, so I'm not advocating for you to stop posting, but you shouldn't be so condescending when someone disagrees with you.

You don't like it? I suggest that you put me on ignore.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

Believe it or not, I'm not that upset with you. Keep posting. I'll keep reading. If I have something to say I'll say it.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

this is confusing

 

[Pennick4]

But the odds makers in Las Vegas have.

To get equal money on both sides of the line.

 

[cincykid5]

Bama hasn't played any FCS schools this year.

What are: 9/12 Middle Tenn. St.
9/26 Louisiana-Monroe
if not FCS, then about equal to MAC teams.

GOOOO IRISH stop the Eagles, 55 - 27

 

[SALittleGiant513]

They are a conference USA and Sun Belt team

 

[deadirishpoet]

What are: 9/12 Middle Tenn. St.
9/26 Louisiana-Monroe
if not FCS, then about equal to MAC teams.

GOOOO IRISH stop the Eagles, 55 - 27

If the Irish can put 55 on that defense that would be quite an accomplishment

 

[NDSMC78]

What are: 9/12 Middle Tenn. St.
9/26 Louisiana-Monroe
if not FCS, then about equal to MAC teams.

GOOOO IRISH stop the Eagles, 55 - 27

They are FBS schools.

 

[Okie70]

As an OU fan assume if OU wins out and NDame beats Stanford Irish will get the nod. Given the Texas result seems fair to me. But if OSU is unbeaten might be a closer call. Don't know what the problem with Alabama it. Trounced Wisconsin, a pretty good Big 10 team, and played well in the toughest conference division. Clemson, Ohio State and Ala. are obvious selections if they keep winning. Lots of angst then over the last slot. Just like last year.

 

[ndhuntington]

Oklahoma will win out. Then it comes down to style points and common opponents to be honest Oklahoma should be the only team considered for the playoff OSU is a joke on a neutral field ND wins by 2 touchdowns i think Oklahoma will beat them badly..