Feels like 2015 again / Program seems unhealthy

[IrishFforida]

So, i have been a pretty vocal supporter of Brian Kelly, recognize the job he has done restoring ND to a Top 10 level program. And was one of very few people who felt the 2016 4-8 disaster would force a big time coach, with a long track record of success to put his program under the microscope and really do a deep dive to examine every aspect of ND's day to day routine.

Brian Kelly, did that and made some pretty significant changes.
1. Fired sub par coordinators (BVG, Longo)
2. Went OUTSIDE the program and hired new coaches (Long, Elko, Lea, Balis, Polian)
3. Gave up the play calling duties and became a true Head Coach & CEO of the program
4. The results have been very, very GOOD. Not great. But 32-6 should be recognized.

With that said, it feels ND is re-tracing it steps that led to the 4-8 disaster of 2016,

1, Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Jeff Quinn is a sub par offensive line coach. It is obvious to football people who watch games with football eyes. And it is even obvious to the average internet guy who knows little about football, but knows the ND running backs have no room, and the OL gets lots and lots of penalties. Bad Ball Coaching

2. Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. if you cannot acknowledge that fact. You are a special kind of dumb. And all the apologists and little fan boys can take all their EXCUSES. Such as ND cannot run the ball, it was raining at Michigan, Chip Long was a bad play caller, Brian Kelly cannot develop QBs,and stick them all straight up your tail pipe.

Phi Jurkovec should have been the QB after Michigan because every time the kid comes in a game, he makes plays. Including Michigan in the rain. After the Michigan game, the season was officially blown and an underachievement. It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED.

3. Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff-instead of going out and getting the best. If Jeff Quinn remains OL coach, and Tommy Rees, 27 years old, with 3 years of FT coaching experience becomes OC & Play Caller? This a total joke.

Don't give me your Lincoln Riley BS, he was a FT Assist at Texas Tech for 4 years, then the OC at East Carolina for 4 years. Before Bob Stoops gave him the keys to OU.

As a coach I cannot imagine the frustration of Chip Long having a National Championship offense at his disposal. And a QB with the physical tools and talent of a Phil Jurkovec.

And then having to deal with Ian Book who under performs in EVERY big game, and an OL coach that is a complete incompetent. Yet, because they are favorites of the Head Coach. Chip had to try to call his offense around these guys. Screw that!

I don't know if that is the reason Chip Long left, but i will bet you it is the reason Chip Long left

4. Treat every game like it is just another "game", i get that "the process" gets you "the results" being consistent, adhering to a standard and all that other coach speak is true. But 18-22 year old kids are emotional, and when you harness that emotion, you can get your players to play with great enthusiasm. And when players are enthusiastic, confident and having fun, they will perform at their best. Clearly the home crowd at ND stadium generates that enthusiasm and confidence. As a result ND is undefeated at home the past 2 years.

But on the ROAD, and i am talking on the ROAD vs Top Teams (Not out manning quasi tomato cans like Louisville, Duke and Stanford. but I am talking real teams like Miami (2017) Clemson, Georgia, USC and Michigan.

A Head Coach has to generate that enthusiasm, confidence and simply get kids fired up on the road. Brian Kelly has an NFL approach to the road, and it is not working against real teams.

Lou Holtz was a master at preparing a team for the road. In fact, his teams were more fired up on the road than at home. Lou's crushing losses Stanford 90 92, Penn State 90, Tennessee 91, BC 93 came at home. The 90 & 93 team were in position to enter the bowl games #1. But lost their last home game of the year.

You can spin if you want to, but yesterday was a bad day for ND football.

 

[SIhoosier26]

So, i have been a pretty vocal supporter of Brian Kelly, recognize the job he has done restoring ND to a Top 10 level program. And was one of very few people who felt the 2016 4-8 disaster would force a big time coach, with a long track record of success to put his program under the microscope and really do a deep dive to examine every aspect of ND's day to day routine.

Brian Kelly, did that and made some pretty significant changes.
1. Fired sub par coordinators (BVG, Longo)
2. Went OUTSIDE the program and hired new coaches (Long, Elko, Lea, Balis, Polian)
3. Gave up the play calling duties and became a true Head Coach & CEO of the program
4. The results have been very, very GOOD. Not great. But 32-6 should be recognized.

With that said, it feels ND is re-tracing it steps that led to the 4-8 disaster of 2016,

1, Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Jeff Quinn is a sub par offensive line coach. It is obvious to football people who watch games with football eyes. And it is even obvious to the average internet guy who knows little about football, but knows the ND running backs have no room, and the OL gets lots and lots of penalties. Bad Ball Coaching

2. Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. if you cannot acknowledge that fact. You are a special kind of dumb. And all the apologists and little fan boys can take all their EXCUSES. Such as ND cannot run the ball, it was raining at Michigan, Chip Long was a bad play caller, Brian Kelly cannot develop QBs,and stick them all straight up your tail pipe.

Phi Jurkovec should have been the QB after Michigan because every time the kid comes in a game, he makes plays. Including Michigan in the rain. After the Michigan game, the season was officially blown and an underachievement. It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED.

3. Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff-instead of going out and getting the best. If Jeff Quinn remains OL coach, and Tommy Rees, 27 years old, with 3 years of FT coaching experience becomes OC & Play Caller? This a total joke.

Don't give me your Lincoln Riley BS, he was a FT Assist at Texas Tech for 4 years, then the OC at East Carolina for 4 years. Before Bob Stoops gave him the keys to OU.

As a coach I cannot imagine the frustration of Chip Long having a National Championship offense at his disposal. And a QB with the physical tools and talent of a Phil Jurkovec.

And then having to deal with Ian Book who under performs in EVERY big game, and an OL coach that is a complete incompetent. Yet, because they are favorites of the Head Coach. Chip had to try to call his offense around these guys. Screw that!

I don't know if that is the reason Chip Long left, but i will bet you it is the reason Chip Long left

4. Treat every game like it is just another "game", i get that "the process" gets you "the results" being consistent, adhering to a standard and all that other coach speak is true. But 18-22 year old kids are emotional, and when you harness that emotion, you can get your players to play with great enthusiasm. And when players are enthusiastic, confident and having fun, they will perform at their best. Clearly the home crowd at ND stadium generates that enthusiasm and confidence. As a result ND is undefeated at home the past 2 years.

But on the ROAD, and i am talking on the ROAD vs Top Teams (Not out manning quasi tomato cans like Louisville, Duke and Stanford. but I am talking real teams like Miami (2017) Clemson, Georgia, USC and Michigan.

A Head Coach has to generate that enthusiasm, confidence and simply get kids fired up on the road. Brian Kelly has an NFL approach to the road, and it is not working against real teams.

Lou Holtz was a master at preparing a team for the road. In fact, his teams were more fired up on the road than at home. Lou's crushing losses Stanford 90 92, Penn State 90, Tennessee 91, BC 93 came at home. The 90 & 93 team were in position to enter the bowl games #1. But lost their last home game of the year.

You can spin if you want to, but yesterday was a bad day for ND football.

You lost me when you started bashing Book. Dude's had a good season, outside of the Michigan game he's been borderline terrific.

Easily the best season a QB has had under Kelly.

 

[echowaker]

a bit of a major overreaction don't you think ? Ryan Day hired 4 new coaches last year. Alabama is always having staff changes. Long leaving is hardly earth shattering or a major setback.

 

[Golson5]

So, i have been a pretty vocal supporter of Brian Kelly, recognize the job he has done restoring ND to a Top 10 level program. And was one of very few people who felt the 2016 4-8 disaster would force a big time coach, with a long track record of success to put his program under the microscope and really do a deep dive to examine every aspect of ND's day to day routine.

Brian Kelly, did that and made some pretty significant changes.
1. Fired sub par coordinators (BVG, Longo)
2. Went OUTSIDE the program and hired new coaches (Long, Elko, Lea, Balis, Polian)
3. Gave up the play calling duties and became a true Head Coach & CEO of the program
4. The results have been very, very GOOD. Not great. But 32-6 should be recognized.

With that said, it feels ND is re-tracing it steps that led to the 4-8 disaster of 2016,

1, Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Jeff Quinn is a sub par offensive line coach. It is obvious to football people who watch games with football eyes. And it is even obvious to the average internet guy who knows little about football, but knows the ND running backs have no room, and the OL gets lots and lots of penalties. Bad Ball Coaching

2. Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. if you cannot acknowledge that fact. You are a special kind of dumb. And all the apologists and little fan boys can take all their EXCUSES. Such as ND cannot run the ball, it was raining at Michigan, Chip Long was a bad play caller, Brian Kelly cannot develop QBs,and stick them all straight up your tail pipe.

Phi Jurkovec should have been the QB after Michigan because every time the kid comes in a game, he makes plays. Including Michigan in the rain. After the Michigan game, the season was officially blown and an underachievement. It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED.

3. Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff-instead of going out and getting the best. If Jeff Quinn remains OL coach, and Tommy Rees, 27 years old, with 3 years of FT coaching experience becomes OC & Play Caller? This a total joke.

Don't give me your Lincoln Riley BS, he was a FT Assist at Texas Tech for 4 years, then the OC at East Carolina for 4 years. Before Bob Stoops gave him the keys to OU.

As a coach I cannot imagine the frustration of Chip Long having a National Championship offense at his disposal. And a QB with the physical tools and talent of a Phil Jurkovec.

And then having to deal with Ian Book who under performs in EVERY big game, and an OL coach that is a complete incompetent. Yet, because they are favorites of the Head Coach. Chip had to try to call his offense around these guys. Screw that!

I don't know if that is the reason Chip Long left, but i will bet you it is the reason Chip Long left

4. Treat every game like it is just another "game", i get that "the process" gets you "the results" being consistent, adhering to a standard and all that other coach speak is true. But 18-22 year old kids are emotional, and when you harness that emotion, you can get your players to play with great enthusiasm. And when players are enthusiastic, confident and having fun, they will perform at their best. Clearly the home crowd at ND stadium generates that enthusiasm and confidence. As a result ND is undefeated at home the past 2 years.

But on the ROAD, and i am talking on the ROAD vs Top Teams (Not out manning quasi tomato cans like Louisville, Duke and Stanford. but I am talking real teams like Miami (2017) Clemson, Georgia, USC and Michigan.

A Head Coach has to generate that enthusiasm, confidence and simply get kids fired up on the road. Brian Kelly has an NFL approach to the road, and it is not working against real teams.

Lou Holtz was a master at preparing a team for the road. In fact, his teams were more fired up on the road than at home. Lou's crushing losses Stanford 90 92, Penn State 90, Tennessee 91, BC 93 came at home. The 90 & 93 team were in position to enter the bowl games #1. But lost their last home game of the year.

You can spin if you want to, but yesterday was a bad day for ND football.

Wow what an overreaction. Relax

 

[Catholicfan95]

Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Maybe this should read, Not holding Quinn accountable because that is the only coach you name. The season is not over, 2020 has not even kicked off, how can you just assume that nothing is being done to deal with this issue. Quinn has been a disappointment and I think that we can all agree there, however I would pump the brakes on the accusations until Quin is retained, then we can grab our pitch forks. If retained I will join you in that disappointment, but lets give it a little more time.

Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. Really no argument here, the numbers speak for themselves, though I think we can meet with the conclusion that he did play well against UGA, but one game does not make him. I do disagree with people who say that his play this year or last year as a whole was sub par. He is a much better QB than people give him credit for.

It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED. I am not sure what the obsession with PJ is. Why would you want to just throw him out there to "see what you have"? Do you not think that the hundreds of practices that they have during the season would not have been a great time for PJ to step up and compete for the starting job? Do we really want to circle the wagons around the theory that BK is sticking with Book because he likes him and he does not want to give the nod to the "more talented" PJ? I think that has very little evidence and if you are going to hitch your wagon to that horse you are just going to be disappointed.

Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff. Too many ifs at this moment to make a judgment on what is really going to happen when it comes to who is offered the job. There is going to be an interview process and I am sure that (at least I would hope this is the case) that he will bring in a variety of coaches. Again, if he does not I will be mad, granted I do not have the disdain for Tommy Rees that most posters are exhibiting, but I get it.

Treat every game like it is just another "game. This is just another classic Kellyism that posters use as ammo for why we do not show up in big games, but at the same time there is some merit here seeing as the results speak for themselves. Possibly a bigger issue than talked about? Very possible.

Overall, the loss of Chip Long hurts us more than a lot of posters want to admit. I know that a lot of people complained about the offense and I have seen some excellent articles like this one https://irish.nbcsports.com/2019/12/12/notre-dame-brian-kelly-fire-chip-long/ are great to take a deeper look at Longs time at ND. I think posters should take some time and let this staff do their due diligence before formulating opinions based on rumors, for the moment. This is a great opportunity for BK to make a big time hire, and I think if we just settle down for a minute and quit jumping to these irrational conclusions that we are reverting back to the days of 4-8 we would be able to see the process.

I firmly disagree with the adage of "reverting back to 2015". I think it is an eye grabbing thread title with little to no real substance to back up the point. Just a whole lot of speculation.

Synopsis: Major overreaction

 

[nemeth#5]

3 straight seasons of 10+ wins.... and program is unhealthy.......

 

[echowaker]

3 straight seasons of 10+ wins.... and program is unhealthy.......

4 out of 5...

 

[Shulkswagen]

So, i have been a pretty vocal supporter of Brian Kelly, recognize the job he has done restoring ND to a Top 10 level program. And was one of very few people who felt the 2016 4-8 disaster would force a big time coach, with a long track record of success to put his program under the microscope and really do a deep dive to examine every aspect of ND's day to day routine.

Brian Kelly, did that and made some pretty significant changes.
1. Fired sub par coordinators (BVG, Longo)
2. Went OUTSIDE the program and hired new coaches (Long, Elko, Lea, Balis, Polian)
3. Gave up the play calling duties and became a true Head Coach & CEO of the program
4. The results have been very, very GOOD. Not great. But 32-6 should be recognized.

With that said, it feels ND is re-tracing it steps that led to the 4-8 disaster of 2016,

1, Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Jeff Quinn is a sub par offensive line coach. It is obvious to football people who watch games with football eyes. And it is even obvious to the average internet guy who knows little about football, but knows the ND running backs have no room, and the OL gets lots and lots of penalties. Bad Ball Coaching

2. Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. if you cannot acknowledge that fact. You are a special kind of dumb. And all the apologists and little fan boys can take all their EXCUSES. Such as ND cannot run the ball, it was raining at Michigan, Chip Long was a bad play caller, Brian Kelly cannot develop QBs,and stick them all straight up your tail pipe.

Phi Jurkovec should have been the QB after Michigan because every time the kid comes in a game, he makes plays. Including Michigan in the rain. After the Michigan game, the season was officially blown and an underachievement. It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED.

3. Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff-instead of going out and getting the best. If Jeff Quinn remains OL coach, and Tommy Rees, 27 years old, with 3 years of FT coaching experience becomes OC & Play Caller? This a total joke.

Don't give me your Lincoln Riley BS, he was a FT Assist at Texas Tech for 4 years, then the OC at East Carolina for 4 years. Before Bob Stoops gave him the keys to OU.

As a coach I cannot imagine the frustration of Chip Long having a National Championship offense at his disposal. And a QB with the physical tools and talent of a Phil Jurkovec.

And then having to deal with Ian Book who under performs in EVERY big game, and an OL coach that is a complete incompetent. Yet, because they are favorites of the Head Coach. Chip had to try to call his offense around these guys. Screw that!

I don't know if that is the reason Chip Long left, but i will bet you it is the reason Chip Long left

4. Treat every game like it is just another "game", i get that "the process" gets you "the results" being consistent, adhering to a standard and all that other coach speak is true. But 18-22 year old kids are emotional, and when you harness that emotion, you can get your players to play with great enthusiasm. And when players are enthusiastic, confident and having fun, they will perform at their best. Clearly the home crowd at ND stadium generates that enthusiasm and confidence. As a result ND is undefeated at home the past 2 years.

But on the ROAD, and i am talking on the ROAD vs Top Teams (Not out manning quasi tomato cans like Louisville, Duke and Stanford. but I am talking real teams like Miami (2017) Clemson, Georgia, USC and Michigan.

A Head Coach has to generate that enthusiasm, confidence and simply get kids fired up on the road. Brian Kelly has an NFL approach to the road, and it is not working against real teams.

Lou Holtz was a master at preparing a team for the road. In fact, his teams were more fired up on the road than at home. Lou's crushing losses Stanford 90 92, Penn State 90, Tennessee 91, BC 93 came at home. The 90 & 93 team were in position to enter the bowl games #1. But lost their last home game of the year.

You can spin if you want to, but yesterday was a bad day for ND football.

Serious question, since you are questioning everyone’s abilities and credentials, what are yours?
Never accept criticism from someone you wouldn’t ask for advice.

 

[IrishMike409]

Elko left and everyone freaked out. Lea has been fantastic.

Could be same scenario with Long/Rees.

 

[NotreDame du Lac]

All you had to do was win nine games every three years to keep your job would you really care?

 

[Kelso86]

So, i have been a pretty vocal supporter of Brian Kelly, recognize the job he has done restoring ND to a Top 10 level program. And was one of very few people who felt the 2016 4-8 disaster would force a big time coach, with a long track record of success to put his program under the microscope and really do a deep dive to examine every aspect of ND's day to day routine.

Brian Kelly, did that and made some pretty significant changes.
1. Fired sub par coordinators (BVG, Longo)
2. Went OUTSIDE the program and hired new coaches (Long, Elko, Lea, Balis, Polian)
3. Gave up the play calling duties and became a true Head Coach & CEO of the program
4. The results have been very, very GOOD. Not great. But 32-6 should be recognized.

With that said, it feels ND is re-tracing it steps that led to the 4-8 disaster of 2016,

1, Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Jeff Quinn is a sub par offensive line coach. It is obvious to football people who watch games with football eyes. And it is even obvious to the average internet guy who knows little about football, but knows the ND running backs have no room, and the OL gets lots and lots of penalties. Bad Ball Coaching

2. Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. if you cannot acknowledge that fact. You are a special kind of dumb. And all the apologists and little fan boys can take all their EXCUSES. Such as ND cannot run the ball, it was raining at Michigan, Chip Long was a bad play caller, Brian Kelly cannot develop QBs,and stick them all straight up your tail pipe.

Phi Jurkovec should have been the QB after Michigan because every time the kid comes in a game, he makes plays. Including Michigan in the rain. After the Michigan game, the season was officially blown and an underachievement. It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED.

3. Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff-instead of going out and getting the best. If Jeff Quinn remains OL coach, and Tommy Rees, 27 years old, with 3 years of FT coaching experience becomes OC & Play Caller? This a total joke.

Don't give me your Lincoln Riley BS, he was a FT Assist at Texas Tech for 4 years, then the OC at East Carolina for 4 years. Before Bob Stoops gave him the keys to OU.

As a coach I cannot imagine the frustration of Chip Long having a National Championship offense at his disposal. And a QB with the physical tools and talent of a Phil Jurkovec.

And then having to deal with Ian Book who under performs in EVERY big game, and an OL coach that is a complete incompetent. Yet, because they are favorites of the Head Coach. Chip had to try to call his offense around these guys. Screw that!

I don't know if that is the reason Chip Long left, but i will bet you it is the reason Chip Long left

4. Treat every game like it is just another "game", i get that "the process" gets you "the results" being consistent, adhering to a standard and all that other coach speak is true. But 18-22 year old kids are emotional, and when you harness that emotion, you can get your players to play with great enthusiasm. And when players are enthusiastic, confident and having fun, they will perform at their best. Clearly the home crowd at ND stadium generates that enthusiasm and confidence. As a result ND is undefeated at home the past 2 years.

But on the ROAD, and i am talking on the ROAD vs Top Teams (Not out manning quasi tomato cans like Louisville, Duke and Stanford. but I am talking real teams like Miami (2017) Clemson, Georgia, USC and Michigan.

A Head Coach has to generate that enthusiasm, confidence and simply get kids fired up on the road. Brian Kelly has an NFL approach to the road, and it is not working against real teams.

Lou Holtz was a master at preparing a team for the road. In fact, his teams were more fired up on the road than at home. Lou's crushing losses Stanford 90 92, Penn State 90, Tennessee 91, BC 93 came at home. The 90 & 93 team were in position to enter the bowl games #1. But lost their last home game of the year.

You can spin if you want to, but yesterday was a bad day for ND football.

Dude -- I am thinking you need to go and get a massage -- hopefully, have a happy ending as well -- you will be more relaxed!

 

[Get Nasty]

You lost me when you started bashing Book. Dude's had a good season, outside of the Michigan game he's been borderline terrific.

Easily the best season a QB has had under Kelly.

Ian book had a great season the last 4 games and against non power 5 opponents. He was NOT good to bad vs Louisville, Georgia, Virginia, UM, and Tech. The 5 best teams on our schedule.

Book absolutely lit up vs bad defenses and was the complete opposite vs good defenses.

With that said, he showed signs of improvements after the tech game. It may have been we were playing really bad defenses (fact), or maybe he's improving (don't know yet). We'll get an idea septermber 12th 2020, but we'll really find out Oct 3rd 2020.

 

[stu4don]

Overreaction, IMO.

Our OC moved on, it happens. It was a mutual decision. Apparently he didn't have the best rapport with the players. I believe Chip was a good OC but he really failed vs. the good teams (Michigan, Georgia, Clemson, Miami)... Apparently Kelly took over the last four games. It showed.

We'll see, re: Quinn.

But recruiting-wise we are poised to have the first of our best two-year run in a long long time. For the first time since 2015 (when we had 2) we will have more than just one top 75 ranked recruit. This year we have 4 top 50 (and some services have Botehlo in the top 75 and we already have 5 (6 in the top 100) next year. That is a real improvement.

Get a great DB coach/recruiter... and we'll be fine.

 

[stu4don]

By the way, about #3 and Ian Book. It was Chip Long who argued to remove Wimbush for Book.

 

[Pennick4]

So, i have been a pretty vocal supporter of Brian Kelly, recognize the job he has done restoring ND to a Top 10 level program. And was one of very few people who felt the 2016 4-8 disaster would force a big time coach, with a long track record of success to put his program under the microscope and really do a deep dive to examine every aspect of ND's day to day routine.

Brian Kelly, did that and made some pretty significant changes.
1. Fired sub par coordinators (BVG, Longo)
2. Went OUTSIDE the program and hired new coaches (Long, Elko, Lea, Balis, Polian)
3. Gave up the play calling duties and became a true Head Coach & CEO of the program
4. The results have been very, very GOOD. Not great. But 32-6 should be recognized.

With that said, it feels ND is re-tracing it steps that led to the 4-8 disaster of 2016,

1, Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Jeff Quinn is a sub par offensive line coach. It is obvious to football people who watch games with football eyes. And it is even obvious to the average internet guy who knows little about football, but knows the ND running backs have no room, and the OL gets lots and lots of penalties. Bad Ball Coaching

2. Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. if you cannot acknowledge that fact. You are a special kind of dumb. And all the apologists and little fan boys can take all their EXCUSES. Such as ND cannot run the ball, it was raining at Michigan, Chip Long was a bad play caller, Brian Kelly cannot develop QBs,and stick them all straight up your tail pipe.

Phi Jurkovec should have been the QB after Michigan because every time the kid comes in a game, he makes plays. Including Michigan in the rain. After the Michigan game, the season was officially blown and an underachievement. It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED.

3. Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff-instead of going out and getting the best. If Jeff Quinn remains OL coach, and Tommy Rees, 27 years old, with 3 years of FT coaching experience becomes OC & Play Caller? This a total joke.

Don't give me your Lincoln Riley BS, he was a FT Assist at Texas Tech for 4 years, then the OC at East Carolina for 4 years. Before Bob Stoops gave him the keys to OU.

As a coach I cannot imagine the frustration of Chip Long having a National Championship offense at his disposal. And a QB with the physical tools and talent of a Phil Jurkovec.

And then having to deal with Ian Book who under performs in EVERY big game, and an OL coach that is a complete incompetent. Yet, because they are favorites of the Head Coach. Chip had to try to call his offense around these guys. Screw that!

I don't know if that is the reason Chip Long left, but i will bet you it is the reason Chip Long left

4. Treat every game like it is just another "game", i get that "the process" gets you "the results" being consistent, adhering to a standard and all that other coach speak is true. But 18-22 year old kids are emotional, and when you harness that emotion, you can get your players to play with great enthusiasm. And when players are enthusiastic, confident and having fun, they will perform at their best. Clearly the home crowd at ND stadium generates that enthusiasm and confidence. As a result ND is undefeated at home the past 2 years.

But on the ROAD, and i am talking on the ROAD vs Top Teams (Not out manning quasi tomato cans like Louisville, Duke and Stanford. but I am talking real teams like Miami (2017) Clemson, Georgia, USC and Michigan.

A Head Coach has to generate that enthusiasm, confidence and simply get kids fired up on the road. Brian Kelly has an NFL approach to the road, and it is not working against real teams.

Lou Holtz was a master at preparing a team for the road. In fact, his teams were more fired up on the road than at home. Lou's crushing losses Stanford 90 92, Penn State 90, Tennessee 91, BC 93 came at home. The 90 & 93 team were in position to enter the bowl games #1. But lost their last home game of the year.

You can spin if you want to, but yesterday was a bad day for ND football.

Put down the bong Cheech.

 

[napy2121]

Hahahahaha hahahahaha ha


I gotta catch my breath.



Hahahahahahaha.

This program is the healthiest it’s been in a long, LONG time.


People post the darndest things here at least I can laugh sometimes.

 

[NDIRISH53]

You lost me when you started bashing Book. Dude's had a good season, outside of the Michigan game he's been borderline terrific.

Easily the best season a QB has had under Kelly.

If you take away games against non power 5 teams, books stats rank him in the 80s in the nation.

 

[Zorich 88]

So, i have been a pretty vocal supporter of Brian Kelly, recognize the job he has done restoring ND to a Top 10 level program. And was one of very few people who felt the 2016 4-8 disaster would force a big time coach, with a long track record of success to put his program under the microscope and really do a deep dive to examine every aspect of ND's day to day routine.

Brian Kelly, did that and made some pretty significant changes.
1. Fired sub par coordinators (BVG, Longo)
2. Went OUTSIDE the program and hired new coaches (Long, Elko, Lea, Balis, Polian)
3. Gave up the play calling duties and became a true Head Coach & CEO of the program
4. The results have been very, very GOOD. Not great. But 32-6 should be recognized.

With that said, it feels ND is re-tracing it steps that led to the 4-8 disaster of 2016,

1, Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Jeff Quinn is a sub par offensive line coach. It is obvious to football people who watch games with football eyes. And it is even obvious to the average internet guy who knows little about football, but knows the ND running backs have no room, and the OL gets lots and lots of penalties. Bad Ball Coaching

2. Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. if you cannot acknowledge that fact. You are a special kind of dumb. And all the apologists and little fan boys can take all their EXCUSES. Such as ND cannot run the ball, it was raining at Michigan, Chip Long was a bad play caller, Brian Kelly cannot develop QBs,and stick them all straight up your tail pipe.

Phi Jurkovec should have been the QB after Michigan because every time the kid comes in a game, he makes plays. Including Michigan in the rain. After the Michigan game, the season was officially blown and an underachievement. It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED.

3. Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff-instead of going out and getting the best. If Jeff Quinn remains OL coach, and Tommy Rees, 27 years old, with 3 years of FT coaching experience becomes OC & Play Caller? This a total joke.

Don't give me your Lincoln Riley BS, he was a FT Assist at Texas Tech for 4 years, then the OC at East Carolina for 4 years. Before Bob Stoops gave him the keys to OU.

As a coach I cannot imagine the frustration of Chip Long having a National Championship offense at his disposal. And a QB with the physical tools and talent of a Phil Jurkovec.

And then having to deal with Ian Book who under performs in EVERY big game, and an OL coach that is a complete incompetent. Yet, because they are favorites of the Head Coach. Chip had to try to call his offense around these guys. Screw that!

I don't know if that is the reason Chip Long left, but i will bet you it is the reason Chip Long left

4. Treat every game like it is just another "game", i get that "the process" gets you "the results" being consistent, adhering to a standard and all that other coach speak is true. But 18-22 year old kids are emotional, and when you harness that emotion, you can get your players to play with great enthusiasm. And when players are enthusiastic, confident and having fun, they will perform at their best. Clearly the home crowd at ND stadium generates that enthusiasm and confidence. As a result ND is undefeated at home the past 2 years.

But on the ROAD, and i am talking on the ROAD vs Top Teams (Not out manning quasi tomato cans like Louisville, Duke and Stanford. but I am talking real teams like Miami (2017) Clemson, Georgia, USC and Michigan.

A Head Coach has to generate that enthusiasm, confidence and simply get kids fired up on the road. Brian Kelly has an NFL approach to the road, and it is not working against real teams.

Lou Holtz was a master at preparing a team for the road. In fact, his teams were more fired up on the road than at home. Lou's crushing losses Stanford 90 92, Penn State 90, Tennessee 91, BC 93 came at home. The 90 & 93 team were in position to enter the bowl games #1. But lost their last home game of the year.

You can spin if you want to, but yesterday was a bad day for ND football.

Very well thought out post. I like the fact you support every opinion with facts.

However, I disagree with most of it.

1. Last year the ND run game was good. This season against teams that are simply loading the box begging ND to throw is giving ND problems. Last season the run game was better. Who was the line coach?
The difference is the backs. Dex could take it to the house at anytime. No one on the roster can do that this season.

2. I do not agree with any of your points here. Chip Long was there last season correct? 12-1 correct? Kizer is still in the NFL. Kelly did good with him. Golson messed himself up. He could have been special at ND. Developing a QB or any player is not strictly on the coaches. Players have to work hard in the off-season. Reese was never going to be any better than what he became no matter who the coach was. The issues at QB is recruiting. ND has to get a top elite QB.
Phil couldn’t start on any team ND played this season except maybe Navy???

3. He hired a DC and a OC from the outside. Harry was from the outside as well.

4. Is Nick Saban an enthusiastic coach?
What about Meyer? Very business like guys.

 

[Zorich 88]

So, i have been a pretty vocal supporter of Brian Kelly, recognize the job he has done restoring ND to a Top 10 level program. And was one of very few people who felt the 2016 4-8 disaster would force a big time coach, with a long track record of success to put his program under the microscope and really do a deep dive to examine every aspect of ND's day to day routine.

Brian Kelly, did that and made some pretty significant changes.
1. Fired sub par coordinators (BVG, Longo)
2. Went OUTSIDE the program and hired new coaches (Long, Elko, Lea, Balis, Polian)
3. Gave up the play calling duties and became a true Head Coach & CEO of the program
4. The results have been very, very GOOD. Not great. But 32-6 should be recognized.

With that said, it feels ND is re-tracing it steps that led to the 4-8 disaster of 2016,

1, Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Jeff Quinn is a sub par offensive line coach. It is obvious to football people who watch games with football eyes. And it is even obvious to the average internet guy who knows little about football, but knows the ND running backs have no room, and the OL gets lots and lots of penalties. Bad Ball Coaching

2. Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. if you cannot acknowledge that fact. You are a special kind of dumb. And all the apologists and little fan boys can take all their EXCUSES. Such as ND cannot run the ball, it was raining at Michigan, Chip Long was a bad play caller, Brian Kelly cannot develop QBs,and stick them all straight up your tail pipe.

Phi Jurkovec should have been the QB after Michigan because every time the kid comes in a game, he makes plays. Including Michigan in the rain. After the Michigan game, the season was officially blown and an underachievement. It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED.

3. Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff-instead of going out and getting the best. If Jeff Quinn remains OL coach, and Tommy Rees, 27 years old, with 3 years of FT coaching experience becomes OC & Play Caller? This a total joke.

Don't give me your Lincoln Riley BS, he was a FT Assist at Texas Tech for 4 years, then the OC at East Carolina for 4 years. Before Bob Stoops gave him the keys to OU.

As a coach I cannot imagine the frustration of Chip Long having a National Championship offense at his disposal. And a QB with the physical tools and talent of a Phil Jurkovec.

And then having to deal with Ian Book who under performs in EVERY big game, and an OL coach that is a complete incompetent. Yet, because they are favorites of the Head Coach. Chip had to try to call his offense around these guys. Screw that!

I don't know if that is the reason Chip Long left, but i will bet you it is the reason Chip Long left

4. Treat every game like it is just another "game", i get that "the process" gets you "the results" being consistent, adhering to a standard and all that other coach speak is true. But 18-22 year old kids are emotional, and when you harness that emotion, you can get your players to play with great enthusiasm. And when players are enthusiastic, confident and having fun, they will perform at their best. Clearly the home crowd at ND stadium generates that enthusiasm and confidence. As a result ND is undefeated at home the past 2 years.

But on the ROAD, and i am talking on the ROAD vs Top Teams (Not out manning quasi tomato cans like Louisville, Duke and Stanford. but I am talking real teams like Miami (2017) Clemson, Georgia, USC and Michigan.

A Head Coach has to generate that enthusiasm, confidence and simply get kids fired up on the road. Brian Kelly has an NFL approach to the road, and it is not working against real teams.

Lou Holtz was a master at preparing a team for the road. In fact, his teams were more fired up on the road than at home. Lou's crushing losses Stanford 90 92, Penn State 90, Tennessee 91, BC 93 came at home. The 90 & 93 team were in position to enter the bowl games #1. But lost their last home game of the year.

You can spin if you want to, but yesterday was a bad day for ND football.

FSU
MSU
Stanford
Miami
SC
Tennessee
Texas

Seven programs off the top of my head that are the true definition of unhealthy.

 

[Golson5]

We are an extremely healthy program right now

 

[tbonesays]

Overreaction, IMO.

Our OC moved on, it happens. It was a mutual decision. Apparently he didn't have the best rapport with the players. I believe Chip was a good OC but he really failed vs. the good teams (Michigan, Georgia, Clemson, Miami)... Apparently Kelly took over the last four games. It showed.

We'll see, re: Quinn.

But recruiting-wise we are poised to have the first of our best two-year run in a long long time. For the first time since 2015 (when we had 2) we will have more than just one top 75 ranked recruit. This year we have 4 top 50 (and some services have Botehlo in the top 75 and we already have 5 (6 in the top 100) next year. That is a real improvement.

Get a great DB coach/recruiter... and we'll be fine.

More talented than 2017 when we had future NFL draft picks at most offensive positions.

I'm pretty sure the second best play is the zone read, otherwise known as "two yards sideways and a cloud of dust" lol.

it's now a mist of rubber pellets.

 

[lyonhawk]

Our run game in 2017 was one of the best in the country.

 

[twalsh]

So, i have been a pretty vocal supporter of Brian Kelly, recognize the job he has done restoring ND to a Top 10 level program. And was one of very few people who felt the 2016 4-8 disaster would force a big time coach, with a long track record of success to put his program under the microscope and really do a deep dive to examine every aspect of ND's day to day routine.

Brian Kelly, did that and made some pretty significant changes.
1. Fired sub par coordinators (BVG, Longo)
2. Went OUTSIDE the program and hired new coaches (Long, Elko, Lea, Balis, Polian)
3. Gave up the play calling duties and became a true Head Coach & CEO of the program
4. The results have been very, very GOOD. Not great. But 32-6 should be recognized.

With that said, it feels ND is re-tracing it steps that led to the 4-8 disaster of 2016,

1, Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Jeff Quinn is a sub par offensive line coach. It is obvious to football people who watch games with football eyes. And it is even obvious to the average internet guy who knows little about football, but knows the ND running backs have no room, and the OL gets lots and lots of penalties. Bad Ball Coaching

2. Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. if you cannot acknowledge that fact. You are a special kind of dumb. And all the apologists and little fan boys can take all their EXCUSES. Such as ND cannot run the ball, it was raining at Michigan, Chip Long was a bad play caller, Brian Kelly cannot develop QBs,and stick them all straight up your tail pipe.

Phi Jurkovec should have been the QB after Michigan because every time the kid comes in a game, he makes plays. Including Michigan in the rain. After the Michigan game, the season was officially blown and an underachievement. It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED.

3. Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff-instead of going out and getting the best. If Jeff Quinn remains OL coach, and Tommy Rees, 27 years old, with 3 years of FT coaching experience becomes OC & Play Caller? This a total joke.

Don't give me your Lincoln Riley BS, he was a FT Assist at Texas Tech for 4 years, then the OC at East Carolina for 4 years. Before Bob Stoops gave him the keys to OU.

As a coach I cannot imagine the frustration of Chip Long having a National Championship offense at his disposal. And a QB with the physical tools and talent of a Phil Jurkovec.

And then having to deal with Ian Book who under performs in EVERY big game, and an OL coach that is a complete incompetent. Yet, because they are favorites of the Head Coach. Chip had to try to call his offense around these guys. Screw that!

I don't know if that is the reason Chip Long left, but i will bet you it is the reason Chip Long left

4. Treat every game like it is just another "game", i get that "the process" gets you "the results" being consistent, adhering to a standard and all that other coach speak is true. But 18-22 year old kids are emotional, and when you harness that emotion, you can get your players to play with great enthusiasm. And when players are enthusiastic, confident and having fun, they will perform at their best. Clearly the home crowd at ND stadium generates that enthusiasm and confidence. As a result ND is undefeated at home the past 2 years.

But on the ROAD, and i am talking on the ROAD vs Top Teams (Not out manning quasi tomato cans like Louisville, Duke and Stanford. but I am talking real teams like Miami (2017) Clemson, Georgia, USC and Michigan.

A Head Coach has to generate that enthusiasm, confidence and simply get kids fired up on the road. Brian Kelly has an NFL approach to the road, and it is not working against real teams.

Lou Holtz was a master at preparing a team for the road. In fact, his teams were more fired up on the road than at home. Lou's crushing losses Stanford 90 92, Penn State 90, Tennessee 91, BC 93 came at home. The 90 & 93 team were in position to enter the bowl games #1. But lost their last home game of the year.

You can spin if you want to, but yesterday was a bad day for ND football.

Searching for bad in a sea of good. We are 10-2, decent chance to be 11-2, have probably the deepest ND roster since the late 80s or early 90s, have a lot of our top players returning in 2020. Getting ready to sign a smallish but high quality recruiting class. And the program is unhealthy? Some of you guys are just never going to be happy. I don't know why you put yourselves through such misery. Being a sports fan is supposed to be an enjoyable endeavor.

 

[iwish]

What matters is what the players and recruits think, and by all accounts they are very happy with BK and the program.

 

[twalsh]

What matters is what the players and recruits think, and by all accounts they are very happy with BK and the program.

As of right now it appears that we will not lose any commitments due to Long leaving.

 

[echowaker]

Searching for bad in a sea of good. We are 10-2, decent chance to be 11-2, have probably the deepest ND roster since the late 80s or early 90s, have a lot of our top players returning in 2020. Getting ready to sign a smallish but high quality recruiting class. And the program is unhealthy? Some of you guys are just never going to be happy. I don't know why you put yourselves through such misery. Being a sports fan is supposed to be an enjoyable endeavor.

woe is us......

 

[napy2121]

Seriously OP, you wanna see a team that seems unhealthy take a look at Stanford. 11 in the transfer portal, embarrassing season, head coach rumored to leave. THAT is what unhealthy actually looks like.

 

[BodiTheGreat]

So, i have been a pretty vocal supporter of Brian Kelly, recognize the job he has done restoring ND to a Top 10 level program. And was one of very few people who felt the 2016 4-8 disaster would force a big time coach, with a long track record of success to put his program under the microscope and really do a deep dive to examine every aspect of ND's day to day routine.

Brian Kelly, did that and made some pretty significant changes.
1. Fired sub par coordinators (BVG, Longo)
2. Went OUTSIDE the program and hired new coaches (Long, Elko, Lea, Balis, Polian)
3. Gave up the play calling duties and became a true Head Coach & CEO of the program
4. The results have been very, very GOOD. Not great. But 32-6 should be recognized.

With that said, it feels ND is re-tracing it steps that led to the 4-8 disaster of 2016,

1, Not holding sub par coaches accountable. Jeff Quinn is a sub par offensive line coach. It is obvious to football people who watch games with football eyes. And it is even obvious to the average internet guy who knows little about football, but knows the ND running backs have no room, and the OL gets lots and lots of penalties. Bad Ball Coaching

2. Ian Book is ineffective vs Power 5, Top 50 defenses. if you cannot acknowledge that fact. You are a special kind of dumb. And all the apologists and little fan boys can take all their EXCUSES. Such as ND cannot run the ball, it was raining at Michigan, Chip Long was a bad play caller, Brian Kelly cannot develop QBs,and stick them all straight up your tail pipe.

Phi Jurkovec should have been the QB after Michigan because every time the kid comes in a game, he makes plays. Including Michigan in the rain. After the Michigan game, the season was officially blown and an underachievement. It was time to see what you had in Phil Jurkovec. If he wasn't ready to play. His QB coach should be evaluated. NOT PROMOTED.

3. Retaining and hiring familiar faces for your coaching staff-instead of going out and getting the best. If Jeff Quinn remains OL coach, and Tommy Rees, 27 years old, with 3 years of FT coaching experience becomes OC & Play Caller? This a total joke.

Don't give me your Lincoln Riley BS, he was a FT Assist at Texas Tech for 4 years, then the OC at East Carolina for 4 years. Before Bob Stoops gave him the keys to OU.

As a coach I cannot imagine the frustration of Chip Long having a National Championship offense at his disposal. And a QB with the physical tools and talent of a Phil Jurkovec.

And then having to deal with Ian Book who under performs in EVERY big game, and an OL coach that is a complete incompetent. Yet, because they are favorites of the Head Coach. Chip had to try to call his offense around these guys. Screw that!

I don't know if that is the reason Chip Long left, but i will bet you it is the reason Chip Long left

4. Treat every game like it is just another "game", i get that "the process" gets you "the results" being consistent, adhering to a standard and all that other coach speak is true. But 18-22 year old kids are emotional, and when you harness that emotion, you can get your players to play with great enthusiasm. And when players are enthusiastic, confident and having fun, they will perform at their best. Clearly the home crowd at ND stadium generates that enthusiasm and confidence. As a result ND is undefeated at home the past 2 years.

But on the ROAD, and i am talking on the ROAD vs Top Teams (Not out manning quasi tomato cans like Louisville, Duke and Stanford. but I am talking real teams like Miami (2017) Clemson, Georgia, USC and Michigan.

A Head Coach has to generate that enthusiasm, confidence and simply get kids fired up on the road. Brian Kelly has an NFL approach to the road, and it is not working against real teams.

Lou Holtz was a master at preparing a team for the road. In fact, his teams were more fired up on the road than at home. Lou's crushing losses Stanford 90 92, Penn State 90, Tennessee 91, BC 93 came at home. The 90 & 93 team were in position to enter the bowl games #1. But lost their last home game of the year.

You can spin if you want to, but yesterday was a bad day for ND football.

Weren't you the Laundry boy for the Montclair State RedHawks? And you call yourself a coach ?
Notre Dame is in fine shape with Ian Book at the helm and a GREAT defense.. You need to worry about not mixing the colors with the whites !
Notre Dame is making a National Championship run next year !
Go Irish !
Nuke the Cyclones !!