Everett Golson

[Quest4Twelve]

For some reason I decided to watch the '12 opener against Navy in Ireland. I remember thinking man this kid is smooth! He had the arm talent to make every throw yet didn't rely on him to throw it 50x a game.

I still feel this kid was the most talented QB ND recruited in the last 20 years! However we know for whatever reason his development didn't reach the highest levels.

 

[IrishBeer]

He was really talented. However, BK didn't ask him to cheat. He went downhill from there. I don't think he had the right mentality to succeed. A lot gets blamed on Kelly for damaging kids. The silliest one he gets blamed for is Dayne Crist. I think that's a bit of Driskell drivel for the most part. Most ND kids actually liked BK. Was he a great QB coach? Nope.

Book and Kizer were great college QB's. BK also sent a D2 kid, Curt Aines, to the NFL when he was HC at Grand Valley. He did great with Pike at UC. Book way over achieved. I also think BK pushed to get Buchner on the field more than Freeman did. He wasn't a good QB coach, but he didn't damage kids souls like Driskell thinks. You have to have some balls and thick skin to succeed in college football, particularly as the starting QB at Notre Dame.

 

[d1042]

if 1 play can tell a story, then that play was sending in a cold previously benched, QB in on the opponents 2 yard line in a big situation; disaster was inevitable and enduring.

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

Everett Golson had as much arm talent as any QB I have seen in my lifetime of watching ND football. After we made it to the national championship in his first year as the starting QB, I was expecting big things from him. Sadly, it wasn't to be. Wonder what Everett is doing these days? I know he tried to make it in the CFL, but that didn't work out.

 

[burmafrd1943]

What makes championship QBs is that little extra. HE did not have it.

 

[Pennick4]

if 1 play can tell a story, then that play was sending in a cold previously benched, QB in on the opponents 2 yard line in a big situation; disaster was inevitable and enduring.

The kid fumbled the snap. The most basic play in football.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

As much as i really liked Everett Golson, Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen were both significantly better, and Ian Book was clearly better as well. To argue otherwise is silly. Also, If you recall Tommy Rees relief pitched in several 2012 games

 

[BaldyNd]

Golson was good but was always going to be limited by his size. The guy that should have been better than he was was Kizer. Came out of nowhere in 2015, had horrible play around him/bad luck with injuries 2016, then probably made a poor decision to leave early. The 2017 team had a lot of success with who I think is our worst starting qb in recent memory, imagining how Kizer would have looked is a big what if for me.

 

[d1042]

The kid fumbled the snap. The most basic play in football.

like I said, that play told everything about BK that one needed to know about BK. His subsequent behavior over time bore that out

 

[Golson5]

As much as i really liked Everett Golson, Brady Quinn and Jimmy Clausen were both significantly better, and Ian Book was clearly better as well. To argue otherwise is silly. Also, If you recall Tommy Rees relief pitched in several 2012 games

I think he said arm talent and ability. Golson had better of that then Book by far.

Just mentally couldn't put it all together

 

[Pennick4]

like I said, that play told everything about BK that one needed to know about BK. His subsequent behavior over time bore that out

Yeah..that is why he is making $10mil a year in the SEC. 🤣

 

[d1042]

Yeah..that is why he is making $10mil a year in the SEC. 🤣

so did les miles

no ND head coach who coached 5 yrs failed to win a NC; BK doubled that and failed.

 

[IrishBeer]

Golson was good but was always going to be limited by his size. The guy that should have been better than he was was Kizer. Came out of nowhere in 2015, had horrible play around him/bad luck with injuries 2016, then probably made a poor decision to leave early. The 2017 team had a lot of success with who I think is our worst starting qb in recent memory, imagining how Kizer would have looked is a big what if for me.

Not true.

 

[Pennick4]

so did les miles

no ND head coach who coached 5 yrs failed to win a NC; BK doubled that and failed.

The kid fumbled a snap. He is all time leader in wins at ND. That's why LSU hired him and pay him $10 mil per.

 

[BaldyNd]

Not true.

It’s very true

 

[mirer03]

I think he said arm talent and ability. Golson had better of that then Book by far.

Just mentally couldn't put it all together

When he was suspended I seem to remember him spending all his time with a private QB coach.... And he was never the same.

Golson was a natural talent, but was not refined. He didn't even use the laces of the ball because he had no need. With his year off they seemed to tinker and once he came back it seemed Kelly had turned into the "better of throwing safe balls and have no interceptions" QB guy.

George Whitefield was the coach and he has a checkered past...some successes but a rep for unorthodox nonsense as well.

A real shame. He was very good.

 

[BGI User 1596]

When he was suspended I seem to remember him spending all his time with a private QB coach.... And he was never the same.

Golson was a natural talent, but was not refined. He didn't even use the laces of the ball because he had no need. With his year off they seemed to tinker and once he came back it seemed Kelly had turned into the "better of throwing safe balls and have no interceptions" QB guy.

A real shame. He was very good.

Couldn’t even make it in the CFL…enough said!

 

[francade]

In the last 15 yrs, I think Crist probably had the biggest arm. Clausen was most accurate. Book was the fastest. Kizer & golson showed flashes of greatness but turnovers got the best of them both. Same w/ rees as far as the turnovers. I wonder how golson would’ve developed had he not missed that ‘13 season.

 

[NDinNJ]

Yeah..that is why he is making $10mil a year in the SEC. 🤣

You are so proud of his contract, are you getting a cut? Oh and he'll be gone in 4 years after he fails to win a championship. LSU certainly won't give him 10 years to breakthrough. 😂😂😂

 

[BGI User 756]

In the last 15 yrs, I think Crist probably had the biggest arm. Clausen was most accurate. Book was the fastest. Kizer & golson showed flashes of greatness but turnovers got the best of them both. Same w/ rees as far as the turnovers. I wonder how golson would’ve developed had he not missed that ‘13 season.

I’m with you. Missing that 2013 season (btw, ND also suspended its hockey captain and its best Bball player in the next year) just stunted his emotional growth and he never got confident

 

[burmafrd1943]

I’m with you. Missing that 2013 season (btw, ND also suspended its hockey captain and its best Bball player in the next year) just stunted his emotional growth and he never got confident

Not sure he would have made it anyway; he was simply mentally fragile

 

[mirer03]

In the last 15 yrs, I think Crist probably had the biggest arm. Clausen was most accurate. Book was the fastest. Kizer & golson showed flashes of greatness but turnovers got the best of them both. Same w/ rees as far as the turnovers. I wonder how golson would’ve developed had he not missed that ‘13 season.

Wimbush had a cannon arm.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

When he was suspended I seem to remember him spending all his time with a private QB coach.... And he was never the same.

Golson was a natural talent, but was not refined. He didn't even use the laces of the ball because he had no need. With his year off they seemed to tinker and once he came back it seemed Kelly had turned into the "better of throwing safe balls and have no interceptions" QB guy.

George Whitefield was the coach and he has a checkered past...some successes but a rep for unorthodox nonsense as well.

A real shame. He was very good.

25 in a row vs FSU on the road I believe right? Only Ron Powlus and Jimmy Clausen had higher expectations from me than EG. I thought he was going to be the perfect blend QB for Kelly. Wimbush too but he didn't sniff EG on field success.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

In the last 15 yrs, I think Crist probably had the biggest arm. Clausen was most accurate. Book was the fastest. Kizer & golson showed flashes of greatness but turnovers got the best of them both. Same w/ rees as far as the turnovers. I wonder how golson would’ve developed had he not missed that ‘13 season.

Was Clausen off-target on any game-thrown ball all season? He might have made the wrong read (not often) but I don't recall any missed throws.

 

[tbonesays]

Not sure he would have made it anyway; he was simply mentally fragile

Most people would come across as fragile with their HC screaming bat shit in their ear.

 

[d1042]

grown men in a position of power and authority, screaming to the point of turning purple, at a kid not yet 21! then add 70, 000 witnesses and national TV! not a good look for college sports! and a lifetime of damage to a youngster

 

[Pennick4]

You are so proud of his contract, are you getting a cut? Oh and he'll be gone in 4 years after he fails to win a championship. LSU certainly won't give him 10 years to breakthrough. 😂😂😂

I am his agent...nice commission. Love representing people at the top of their professions. 😜

 

[mirer03]

25 in a row vs FSU on the road I believe right? Only Ron Powlus and Jimmy Clausen had higher expectations from me than EG. I thought he was going to be the perfect blend QB for Kelly. Wimbush too but he didn't sniff EG on field success.

Wimbush was ruined and terribly mishandled by the QB coach Mike Sanford. Look at the guys history after leaving ND and it seems QB production goes DOWN the years he comes in almost everywhere he goes.

He was a raw generational talent, that Kelly and Sanford pigeonholed into a system vs building around him

 

[adrian1477]

so did les miles

no ND head coach who coached 5 yrs failed to win a NC; BK doubled that and failed.

Valid point but not apples to apples. You're citing 1988 and all the years prior. BK was a "modern era" head coach at ND. BK learned in that 2012 Natty game that he did NOT have the athletes to compete with 'Bama. He later found that same thing against Ohio State, Georgia and Clemson. I believe that's why ultimately left ND. He knew he couldn't get the players to win it all in today's CFB landscape. At LSU he can.

The whole 4 for 40 schtick doesn't carry the weight it used to and you have to get these top-100 elite HS football players to win it all. Outside of education, what does ND offer? BK will win a Natty at LSU long before ND does. I hope I'm wrong but Swarbrick and Jenkins' op-ed crying about NIL and pay for play in the NYT was a very bad look for ND. Throw in the OC debacle and I do NOT see ND changing it's archaic ways until it starts messing with the money.

 

[Pennick4]

Wimbush was ruined and terribly mishandled by the QB coach Mike Sanford. Look at the guys history after leaving ND and it seems QB production goes DOWN the years he comes in almost everywhere he goes.

He was a raw generational talent, that Kelly and Sanford pigeonholed into a system vs building around him

No way...pers wanted him to replace Coach Kelly! 🤣🤣

 

[Golson5]

No way...pers wanted him to replace Coach Kelly! 🤣🤣

Weren't you a BVG guy?

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

In the last 15 yrs, I think Crist probably had the biggest arm. Clausen was most accurate. Book was the fastest. Kizer & golson showed flashes of greatness but turnovers got the best of them both. Same w/ rees as far as the turnovers. I wonder how golson would’ve developed had he not missed that ‘13 season.

Crist had a strong arm, but Golson could throw a football more than 70 yards. No way Crist had that kind of arm. Unfortunately EG became somewhat of an enigma. He showed flashes of greatness, and then it just fell apart for him. As for speed and quickness, Book was good, but Brandon Wimbush would have left him in the dust in a foot race. Unfortunately Wimbush couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with his passes, which is why IB replaced him. Wimbush had plenty of arm strength, but really poor accuracy.

 

[4-4-3]

Valid point but not apples to apples. You're citing 1988 and all the years prior. BK was a "modern era" head coach at ND. BK learned in that 2012 Natty game that he did NOT have the athletes to compete with 'Bama. He later found that same thing against Ohio State, Georgia and Clemson. I believe that's why ultimately left ND. He knew he couldn't get the players to win it all in today's CFB landscape. At LSU he can.

The whole 4 for 40 schtick doesn't carry the weight it used to and you have to get these top-100 elite HS football players to win it all. Outside of education, what does ND offer? BK will win a Natty at LSU long before ND does. I hope I'm wrong but Swarbrick and Jenkins' op-ed crying about NIL and pay for play in the NYT was a very bad look for ND. Throw in the OC debacle and I do NOT see ND changing it's archaic ways until it starts messing with the money.

Good analysis as you hit each of the key points.

And ARCHAIC was certainly the right word as demonstrated by Jenkins and Swarbrick's recent attempt to "coax" CFB back to a LESS MONETIZED past. Sorry, gents, but that SHIP HAS SAILED.

Circumstances have now evovled in such a way that ND is now SQUARELY PITTED AGAINST ITSELF. UNPARALLLELD PAST FOOTBALL GLORY vs. PRESENT ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE.

And it's not just a case of WALKING A TIGHTROPE. There's a baby to be SEVERED.

The next few seasons should be interesting.

 

[Pennick4]

Good analysis as you hit each of the key points.

And ARCHAIC was certainly the right word as demonstrated by Jenkins and Swarbrick's recent attempt to "coax" CFB back to a LESS MONETIZED past. Sorry, gents, but that SHIP HAS SAILED.

Circumstances have now evovled in such a way that ND is now SQUARELY PITTED AGAINST ITSELF. UNPARALLLELD PAST FOOTBALL GLORY vs. PRESENT ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE.

And it's not just a case of WALKING A TIGHTROPE. There's a baby to be SEVERED.

The next few seasons should be interesting.

The NIL stuff will be scaled back. I have high hopes for new NCAA president Baker. He has a big job but I think he is up to the task.

 

[francade]

I don’t think golson or wimbush’s arm was as live as crist’s (he also had a cannon), but they were similar so I guess those three had the best arm strength, but I’m not sure how you can say wimbush would’ve left book in the dust in a foot race. Book’s 40 time was faster. As for overall accuracy, clausen, as another poster mentioned, rarely missed a throw, maybe a read, but not ever a target.

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

I don’t think golson or wimbush’s arm was as live as crist’s (he also had a cannon), but they were similar so I guess those three had the best arm strength, but I’m not sure how you can say wimbush would’ve left book in the dust in a foot race. Book’s 40 time was faster. As for overall accuracy, clausen, as another poster mentioned, rarely missed a throw, maybe a read, but not ever a target.

Brandon Wimbush ran a 4.5 40, while Ian Book ran a 4.65. That is a huge difference. Book was the better QB, but no way he could beat Wimbush in a foot race.

As for Crist's arm strength, it was good but not elite. In fact, here was what an NFL evaluator said about Crist's arm strength: "His arm strength isn’t elite but may be serviceable at the next level." There is no question but that Golson had elite arm strength. Part of that, I think, was because he had absolutely huge hands. Watch some of Golson's film and his arm strength is readily apparent. While Clausen didn't have elite arm strength, I agree with you about his ability to deliver the ball accurately. It was exceptional.

 

[francade]

Not sure where you’re getting the 40 times. Book ran a 4.59 & wimbush’ best was a 4.65. At the combine, it wasn’t close. Book ran the 4.59 & wimbush ran a 4.85. Book was faster. And I don’t know what scout that was that said Crist had a serviceable arm, but that’s just not true. Golson had a cannon too, and splitting hairs, maybe stronger, but arm strength wasn’t crist’s problem, accuracy was. I would say that Golson was more accurate overall. We don’t agree on all of it, but I do enjoy the discussion about qbs.

 

[4-4-3]

Brandon Wimbush ran a 4.5 40, while Ian Book ran a 4.65. That is a huge difference. Book was the better QB, but no way he could beat Wimbush in a foot race.

As for Crist's arm strength, it was good but not elite. In fact, here was what an NFL evaluator said about Crist's arm strength: "His arm strength isn’t elite but may be serviceable at the next level." There is no question but that Golson had elite arm strength. Part of that, I think, was because he had absolutely huge hands. Watch some of Golson's film and his arm strength is readily apparent. While Clausen didn't have elite arm strength, I agree with you about his ability to deliver the ball accurately. It was exceptional.

Brandon Wimbush Junior Year

Ian Book never came close to the athleticism of what's depicted in these highlights. Wimbush had ELITE SPEED for a QB and was actually a much more accurate passer AT TIMES than he's been given credit for. He threw both into TIGHT WINDOWS and HIT MEN IN STRIDE.

Pound for pound athletically, I don't think any ND QB of the Kelly era even came close. And that includes Buchner. To me, these Wimbush highlights are of a player who had Heisman quality skills. Were they always in evidence? No. But he defintiely had the GOODS.

It's a shame how it UNRAVELED for him in -- what was it the -- LSU bowl game where Book came in and threw the game winning pass to Boykin? As I recall, Wimbush's rough start in that game was the beginning of his UNDOING.

But you never knew with Kelly. He YANKED Crist, Golson and Zaire as well. Once he lost confidence in you, you were done.

 

[francade]

Wimbush may have had “elite speed for a qb” but he wasn’t as fast as book based on their posted 40 times. As for wimbush throwing into tight windows & hitting players jn stride, I’m not saying that never happened, but it was very few and far between. For every time he hit a target, there were 2-3 times he missed wildly. But based on the praise the previous poster has said about him, kelly must’ve been a real dumbass for benching him. 😜

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

Not sure where you’re getting the 40 times. Book ran a 4.59 & wimbush’ best was a 4.65. At the combine, it wasn’t close. Book ran the 4.59 & wimbush ran a 4.85. Book was faster. And I don’t know what scout that was that said Crist had a serviceable arm, but that’s just not true. Golson had a cannon too, and splitting hairs, maybe stronger, but arm strength wasn’t crist’s problem, accuracy was. I would say that Golson was more accurate overall. We don’t agree on all of it, but I do enjoy the discussion about qbs.

This site: https://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?f=Ian&l=Book&i=30572 said Book ran a 4.65 at his Pro Day. I think I saw another one where it reported he ran a 4.59, but it sounded like that 40 time was hand-timed, which are notoriously unreliable, so I don't give it much stock. This site: https://draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=1002711&DraftYear=2020 reported Wimbush's "low" 40 time was 4.55, and I saw another article where it said he was training to get into the 4.4 range at his Pro Day. I don't think that happened. Judging by what I saw on the field, there is no doubt in my mind that Wimbush was faster than Book, though you may hold a different view. Book clearly turned out to be the better QB. As for the comment about Crist's arm strength, that was some ESPN talking head. Again, however, I am drawing my conclusions mostly from my own eyeball test. Agree with you about enjoying discussions about ND QB's.