ESPN selling the CFP lie

[Buguit]

They are working real hard selling the new College football playoff .... I've heard ESPN "analysts" say no less than a dozen different times on TV say that the committee got the playoff right last year

No they didn't .... No way did Ohio St even belong

Then I see an entire (a long one) article written about how Condoleeza Rice is a good fit and belongs on the committee .... once again .... not even close

The media blitz will continue all season .... fortunately for ESPN a lot of people are dumb

 

[Irish Grandeur]

OSU didn't belong?!? Did they not go out on the field and convincingly beat the nr. 1 and nr. 2 for the championship? Call me crazy.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

This needed an entire new thread?

 

[Johnny Fairplay]

Ohio State is where its at.

Urban Meyer is an ass kicker.

Deal with it.

 

[IrishBlooded]

@Buguit

I guess I would say, with the exception of the VTECH game. Explain to me why they shouldn't have been in the play off.

And the reason I say with that exception. It was early in the season with a new QB and it was a pretty close score right up to the end. It isn't like VTECH came in and blew up Ohio State at home.

Being undefeated in college football is as close to impossible as you are going to get. So a team losing early isn't that big of a deal to me. After that loss they came out dominate most of the rest of year including a drubbing they laid on Wisky on a neutral field with only a week to prepare and a brand new QB.

 

[NDEwing18]

They are working real hard selling the new College football playoff .... I've heard ESPN "analysts" say no less than a dozen different times on TV say that the committee got the playoff right last year

No they didn't .... No way did Ohio St even belong

Then I see an entire (a long one) article written about how Condoleeza Rice is a good fit and belongs on the committee .... once again .... not even close

The media blitz will continue all season .... fortunately for ESPN a lot of people are dumb

It's one thing to argue that Baylor or TCU belonged instead of Ohio State. I would understand someone thinking that those teams' resumes were better.

However, to state that "no way did Ohio State even belong" is ludicrous. Obviously, it's a subjective matter, but even if you think that Baylor or TCU should have made it instead, I don't see how you could argue that Ohio State "in no way" belonged.

 

[Buguit]

Ohio St did not belong

1st of all their admittance was SUPPOSED to be based on their resume before the playoffs .... and they beat nobody and LOST to a .500 VT team at home

They beat BAMA who played their worst game all season and then beat a depleted Oregon team

I think the playoffs proved there is a lot more parity in college football than ESPN would want you to believe .... the SEC IS NOT ALL THAT .... and neither is Ohio St.

Look at Ohio St.'s schedule .... AGAIN ... just think if all we had to do was beat MSU and we're undefeated

 

[TurnoverMachine]

OSU didn't belong?!? Did they not go out on the field and convincingly beat the nr. 1 and nr. 2 for the championship? Call me crazy.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Osu did not belong. They didn't have to play anyone all year except for MSU. TCU deserved the fourth spot. The buckeyes got in by politics.

 

[TurnoverMachine]

Why are some ND fans defending O$U? The playoff committee will do the same thing to ND that it did to TCU last year. Certainly not because of lack of a power name, but because espn controls the committee and will screw ND because of their hatred of them and the whole independence bla bla.

ND fans should be in business with the Big 12 teams- not defending a big ten program that hardly plays anyone. It's not fair for osu to coast all year while the SEC west kills each other. Wake up college football fans!

 

[TurnoverMachine]

@Buguit

I guess I would say, with the exception of the VTECH game. Explain to me why they shouldn't have been in the play off.

And the reason I say with that exception. It was early in the season with a new QB and it was a pretty close score right up to the end. It isn't like VTECH came in and blew up Ohio State at home.

Being undefeated in college football is as close to impossible as you are going to get. So a team losing early isn't that big of a deal to me. After that loss they came out dominate most of the rest of year including a drubbing they laid on Wisky on a neutral field with only a week to prepare and a brand new QB.

Pretty sure Va Tech had a 35-14 lead on Ohio State in the fourth quarter of that game.

 

[schadenfreude]

No, Ohio State got in by virtue of their 13th game, a remarkable thrashing of a pretty good Wisconsin team (Badgers went on to beat Auburn in their bowl). TCU & Baylor split the B12 vote. Ohio State also beat Sparty, so it is silly to claim they "didn't beat anyone". It was a judgement call. I didn't think they could jump three(?) slots, but the council was impressed.

 

[Buguit]

Ohio State is where its at.

Urban Meyer is an ass kicker.

Deal with it.

Urban Meyer can only play with a stacked deck .... the Big 10 is weak .... and he still needed help

What we have to deal with isn't Urban Meyer ... per se .... but the corrupt system that supports him

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Ohio St did not belong

1st of all their admittance was SUPPOSED to be based on their resume before the playoffs .... and they beat nobody and LOST to a .500 VT team at home

They beat BAMA who played their worst game all season and then beat a depleted Oregon team

I think the playoffs proved there is a lot more parity in college football than ESPN would want you to believe .... the SEC IS NOT ALL THAT .... and neither is Ohio St.

Look at Ohio St.'s schedule .... AGAIN ... just think if all we had to do was beat MSU and we're undefeated

This has to be a joke. OSU came out and ran the ball down Bama's throat. They dropped almost 300 yards rushing on Bama. Even Saban knew the game was over before it was over.

Hell, ND dropped 263 yards rushing on LSU - the best defense in the SEC.

 

[Buguit]

No, Ohio State got in by virtue of their 13th game, a remarkable thrashing of a pretty good Wisconsin team (Badgers went on to beat Auburn in their bowl). TCU & Baylor split the B12 vote. Ohio State also beat Sparty, so it is silly to claim they "didn't beat anyone". It was a judgement call. I didn't think they could jump three(?) slots, but the council was impressed.

Once again .... selection is supposed to be based on resume BEFORE the playoffs ... AND .... Wisconsin had ALSO beaten nobody

And if ND's thrashing of LSU didn't prove the SEC is overrated (see also Auburn) what does

 

[Irish Grandeur]

No, Ohio State got in by virtue of their 13th game, a remarkable thrashing of a pretty good Wisconsin team (Badgers went on to beat Auburn in their bowl). TCU & Baylor split the B12 vote. Ohio State also beat Sparty, so it is silly to claim they "didn't beat anyone". It was a judgement call. I didn't think they could jump three(?) slots, but the council was impressed.

Did OSU beat Bama and Oregon outright? If so, then what is your problem?

 

[IrishBlooded]

Pretty sure Va Tech had a 35-14 lead on Ohio State in the fourth quarter of that game.

But that's like saying ND blew out @ Oklahoma a couple years ago. When that score was close until the last part of the 4th quarter. Or that ND / ASU wasn't a blow out last year because ND was within 3 at one point in the 4th.

It was 21 - 14 going into the 4th and with a bad turn over caused a 14 point swing. And without checking the play by play. But wasn't Ohio State again getting deep into Vtech territory when JT threw a second INT with almost no time left?

My point being was that it wasn't like Vtech was running away with that game and made Ohio State look completely out of their depth.

 

[NDEwing18]

Once again .... selection is supposed to be based on resume BEFORE the playoffs ... AND .... Wisconsin had ALSO beaten nobody

Neither Baylor nor TCU had beaten anybody, then, using your logic.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

How can anyone deny OSU deserved to be National Champions? I am not an OSU fan...never have been. But, if they go out and beat everyone in their way to a NC then so be it. What do you want? An Alabama team that got exposed the year before by Oklahoma?

 

[Buguit]

Did OSU beat Bama and Oregon outright? If so, then what is your problem?

You're missing the biggest point .... their selection was supposed to be based on their resume before the playoffs .... they beat nobody .... same as Wisconsin

You think OSU is the only team that could pull that off?

You're also missing the next biggest point ... BAMA and the SEC proved they were overrated to begin with .... BAMA played their worst game all year (QB was horrible ... 3 picks) .... and Oregon was depleted .... with multiple receivers already hurt ... they suspended more right before the game ... had other key players hurt too .... with no WR's Oregon had to try and run the ball which they do not do .... everyone knows Oregon's best defense was their offense

On another side note ... while Oregon players were being suspended for smoking weed .... did OSU players get tested .... no way does that whole team pass a drug test

 

[Irish Grandeur]

You're missing the biggest point .... their selection was supposed to be based on their resume before the playoffs .... they beat nobody .... same as Wisconsin

You think OSU is the only team that could pull that off?

You're also missing the next biggest point ... BAMA and the SEC proved they were overrated to begin with .... BAMA played their worst game all year (QB was horrible ... 3 picks) .... and Oregon was depleted .... with multiple receivers already hurt ... they suspended more right before the game ... had other key players hurt too .... with no WR's Oregon had to try and run the ball which they do not do .... everyone knows Oregon's best defense was their offense

On another side note ... while Oregon players were being suspended for smoking weed .... did OSU players get tested .... no way does that whole team pass a drug test

The score was kinda close with Bama...not so much with Oregon.If you need to make excuses for why you lost then ok. Ohio State fielded the best team on the field throughout the playoffs -- excuses do not matter.

 

[Buguit]

Neither Baylor nor TCU had beaten anybody, then, using your logic.

If they didn't beat anyone either ... then they at the very least lost to a ranked team .... and in a barn burner .... they weren't beat by 2 TD's at home by a .500 team

 

[Buguit]

The score was kinda close with Bama...not so much with Oregon.If you need to make excuses for why you lost then ok. Ohio State fielded the best team on the field throughout the playoffs -- excuses do not matter.[/QUOTE

Excuses? .... this is how ESPN sells their garbage .... why did OSU belong in the playoffs ?

Are we supposed to have teams selected based on what the committee thinks they can do or what they did do?]

Point Blank : the powers that be wanted Urban Meyer's face on the program for the playoffs and could not get half as far selling Baylor or TCU ... just not marketable enough in their eyes .... they rationalize it however they want ..... $$$$$$ .... apparently you bought it

Excuses? .... this is how ESPN sells their garbage .... why did OSU belong in the playoffs ?

Are we supposed to have teams selected based on what the committee thinks they can do or what they did do?]

Point Blank : the powers that be wanted Urban Meyer's face on the program for the playoffs and could not get half as far selling Baylor or TCU ... just not marketable enough in their eyes .... they rationalize it however they want ..... $$$$$$ .... apparently you bought it

 

[Irish Grandeur]

Excuses? .... this is how ESPN sells their garbage .... why did OSU belong in the playoffs ?

Are we supposed to have teams selected based on what the committee thinks they can do or what they did do?]

Point Blank : the powers that be wanted Urban Meyer's face on the program for the playoffs and could not get half as far selling Baylor or TCU ... just not marketable enough in their eyes .... they rationalize it however they want ..... $$$$$$ .... apparently you bought it

What do you want from the playoffs? The best team in the country won last year. Do you want your own personal quest where whatever college team you choose wins every year?

 

[schadenfreude]

If Baylor and TCU had played each other in a B12 Championship, the winner would most likely have been selected over Ohio State. 12-1 > 11-1, especially when your 12th win is in a conference championship game that you win in an 8 TD shutout.

 

[schadenfreude]

Once again .... selection is supposed to be based on resume BEFORE the playoffs ... AND .... Wisconsin had ALSO beaten nobody

And if ND's thrashing of LSU didn't prove the SEC is overrated (see also Auburn) what does

lol @ "thrashing": game was tied through three quarters and you won by a field goal.

 

[NDEwing18]

If they didn't beat anyone either ... then they at the very least lost to a ranked team .... and in a barn burner .... they weren't beat by 2 TD's at home by a .500 team

West Virginia was not a ranked team at the end of the year. Furthermore, TCU may have lost to Baylor - a "ranked team" - but going on your logic about Wisconsin, who did Baylor beat?

 

[TurnoverMachine]

But that's like saying ND blew out @ Oklahoma a couple years ago. When that score was close until the last part of the 4th quarter. Or that ND / ASU wasn't a blow out last year because ND was within 3 at one point in the 4th.

It was 21 - 14 going into the 4th and with a bad turn over caused a 14 point swing. And without checking the play by play. But wasn't Ohio State again getting deep into Vtech territory when JT threw a second INT with almost no time left?

My point being was that it wasn't like Vtech was running away with that game and made Ohio State look completely out of their depth.

IB,

Va Tech destroyed osu all night and embarrassed them on their field. Convincing win in my book. By all means you closet buckeye fans can talk them up all you want but the ou-nd game was no where near the same situation as va tech-osu.

The fact of the matter is Ohio St didn't have a schedule worthy of being in the college playoff. #fact

If ND played the weak schedule osu does we'd never see them get close to the playoff. The sooner fans see how bogus this playoff is the better!

 

[TurnoverMachine]

What do you want from the playoffs? The best team in the country won last year. Do you want your own personal quest where whatever college team you choose wins every year?

You'll be the first one screaming when ND gets screwed out of the playoff if they're ever good enough. ND isn't in with the likes of Ohio State and USC. Politics is what got the buckeyes in and it's a shame you don't see it. ND isn't on espn's good side. Just look at where ND was ranked in the two other polls compared to where they were placed in the committee rankings leading uo to the FSU game.

ND fans sucking off osu and the Big Ten is illogical.

 

[Irish Grandeur]

IB,

Va Tech destroyed osu all night and embarrassed them on their field. Convincing win in my book. By all means you closet buckeye fans can talk them up all you want but the ou-nd game was no where near the same situation as va tech-osu.

The fact of the matter is Ohio St didn't have a schedule worthy of being in the college playoff. #fact

If ND played the weak schedule osu does we'd never see them get close to the playoff. The sooner fans see how bogus this playoff is the better!

So, everything would be perfect if only you were in charge?

 

[NDEwing18]

IB,


The fact of the matter is Ohio St didn't have a schedule worthy of being in the college playoff. #fact

Neither did Baylor or TCU.

 

[echowaker]

IB,

Va Tech destroyed osu all night and embarrassed them on their field. Convincing win in my book. By all means you closet buckeye fans can talk them up all you want but the ou-nd game was no where near the same situation as va tech-osu.

The fact of the matter is Ohio St didn't have a schedule worthy of being in the college playoff. #fact

If ND played the weak schedule osu does we'd never see them get close to the playoff. The sooner fans see how bogus this playoff is the better!

but your book is very small and closed. like your mind.

 

[IrishBlooded]

IB,

Va Tech destroyed osu all night and embarrassed them on their field. Convincing win in my book. By all means you closet buckeye fans can talk them up all you want but the ou-nd game was no where near the same situation as va tech-osu.

The fact of the matter is Ohio St didn't have a schedule worthy of being in the college playoff. #fact

If ND played the weak schedule osu does we'd never see them get close to the playoff. The sooner fans see how bogus this playoff is the better!

embarrassed?

passing:
Ohio State: 9/29 219 yards 1TD, 3 INT
VTech 23-36 199 yards 2TD, 2INT

rushing:
Ohio State: 40 attempts 108 yards
VTech 41 attempts 125 yards

turnovers 3 / each
Ohio State 3 INT
VTech 1 fumble lost, 2 INT

First Downs
Ohio State 19
VTech 21

3rd down efficency
Ohio State 4-16
VTech 9-17

Total Yards:
Ohio State 327
VTech 324

I guess ND 'embarrassed' LSU if this is considered a dominating difference in stats. With the exception of ToP, and score, and 3rd down conversion. This game is pretty even down the line.

And if that is 'embarrassing'. I hate to see what words you use for some of the ND games last year. Both wins and losses.

Stats

And here is the condensed version of the game 1 hour play

 

[Buguit]

Neither Baylor nor TCU had beaten anybody, then, using your logic.

You apparently only pay attention to half of every point or story

If you want to argue that Baylor or TCU played nobody .... go ahead .... their losses were not as close to OSU's loss ..... one team lost to a top 10 team .... the other ... nobody .... and at home

 

[Buguit]

The whole playing a conference championship game or not argument is garbage ..... if it does matter .... they should / should've said so before hand .... holding that point like an ace up their sleeve if they want to use it

ESPN garbage for so called "analysts"

 

[bizzybecknd]

100% agree with the Buguit.. What they did to Alabama/Oregon doesn't strengthen their resume to be picked as a top 4 team. If that is the recipe to be a CFP pick then honestly, ND should weaken their schedule. There were 2 teams that proved to have a better body of work over a course of the season and their resumes weren't close.

 

[NDEwing18]

You apparently only pay attention to half of every point or story

If you want to argue that Baylor or TCU played nobody .... go ahead .... their losses were not as close to OSU's loss ..... one team lost to a top 10 team .... the other ... nobody .... and at home

Both Baylor and Ohio State lost to teams that finished 7-6. TCU may have lost to a "Top 10 team" - but how do we know that for sure? If people are going to say that "Wisconsin played nobody", then you have to concede that "Baylor played nobody", too.

You're arguing like a fanboy and acting like it's cut-and-dried. It's not.

 

[IrishBlooded]

Here's the real argument.

Why are you punishing Ohio State for other teams not being ranked? What could Ohio State possibly do about that? Yes they lost in week 2. And most of the country wrote off Ohio State (and the B1G) after that. However following that, they won with the following scores:
Kent St: 66-0
Cincy: 50-28
Maryland: 52-24
Rutgers: 56-17
PSU: 31-24
Illinois: 55-14
MSU: 49-37
Minni: 31-24
Indiana: 42-27
Michigan: 42-28

And Wisky in the B1G CCG: 59-0

Their closest wins were against PSU by a TD, and MSU by 12. And MSU finished the season ranked 5. And was 7th at time of game.

They got in due to absolutely owning their schedule. Not just winning, but winning in most cases by multiple TD's and being the biggest margin of loss their opponent had in that season.

This is the same argument many used in 2012, when you still had unbeaten ND, K. State, and Oregon, and Florida and Bama with 1 loss.

Most of the country was arguing to keep Bama and Florida ahead of K State and ND due to lack of strength of schedule. Even though both teams were managing to win their games. Except in this case, Ohio State was doing it in a far more convincing way.

I guess I don't understand an argument about Ohio State not belonging when every measurable bar shows they did belong. And when offered the chance they beat their opponents.

 

[Buguit]

Here's the real argument.

Why are you punishing Ohio State for other teams not being ranked? What could Ohio State possibly do about that? Yes they lost in week 2. And most of the country wrote off Ohio State (and the B1G) after that. However following that, they won with the following scores:
Kent St: 66-0
Cincy: 50-28
Maryland: 52-24
Rutgers: 56-17
PSU: 31-24
Illinois: 55-14
MSU: 49-37
Minni: 31-24
Indiana: 42-27
Michigan: 42-28

And Wisky in the B1G CCG: 59-0

Their closest wins were against PSU by a TD, and MSU by 12. And MSU finished the season ranked 5. And was 7th at time of game.

They got in due to absolutely owning their schedule. Not just winning, but winning in most cases by multiple TD's and being the biggest margin of loss their opponent had in that season.

This is the same argument many used in 2012, when you still had unbeaten ND, K. State, and Oregon, and Florida and Bama with 1 loss.

Most of the country was arguing to keep Bama and Florida ahead of K State and ND due to lack of strength of schedule. Even though both teams were managing to win their games. Except in this case, Ohio State was doing it in a far more convincing way.

I guess I don't understand an argument about Ohio State not belonging when every measurable bar shows they did belong. And when offered the chance they beat their opponents.

So rankings mean nothing? ...... then the committee can just pick who they "think" is better .... with this rationale we can just do away with rankings altogether

And it is Ohio St.'s fault who they schedule OOC .... knowing that the strength within the conference is weak and a cake walk

College rankings are not perfect but I suppose you just want to go with nothing as a starting point

 

[Buguit]

Both Baylor and Ohio State lost to teams that finished 7-6. TCU may have lost to a "Top 10 team" - but how do we know that for sure? If people are going to say that "Wisconsin played nobody", then you have to concede that "Baylor played nobody", too.

You're arguing like a fanboy and acting like it's cut-and-dried. It's not.

Ohio St lost on the road and Baylor didn't .... and if you look at West Virgina's schedule/losses against Virgina Tech's it is not even close

So we have 2 guys that want to hang there hat on the "rankings don't matter" argument .... if you want to say Baylor played nobody TOO ... so be it ... their loss is still not as bad .... TCU?? ... no comparison period

I didn't think I was arguing but trying to state what should be obvious

 

[IrishBlooded]

So rankings mean nothing? ...... then the committee can just pick who they "think" is better .... with this rationale we can just do away with rankings altogether

And it is Ohio St.'s fault who they schedule OOC .... knowing that the strength within the conference is weak and a cake walk

College rankings are not perfect but I suppose you just want to go with nothing as a starting point

What I am saying is that how is it on Ohio State that is currently forced to play 8 conference games vs B1G members, to make those teams a higher rank? They can't control the product that PSU, Michigan, etc puts on the field. But they can do everything they can to look in control and do as much damage as they can without risk of injury for no need, and looking to be 'beat up' on weak opponents in an unprofessional manner. Because for some reason in football today no one likes that attitude in conference games.

Yes they could schedule tougher OOC games but they already had VTech on the schedule for last year, and future games include: Oklahoma, Oregon State, TCU, Oregon, ND, and Texas. So I would consider that pretty decent scheduling. And at least on par with the rest of the 'elite' teams in college football.