DT JaMion Franklin Commits to ND
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Now if they could reel Mustipher back in and away from Penn State and pull in Thomas Booker and a possible Tyreke Smith that class at D line would be amazing
Can't be. Nobody wants to play for Coach Kelly.
Your needle is on Uranus. Coaches who know the game recruit players. ND Nation is excited about Jamion. Great job Irish staff!
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This kids film is very good. The only knock I've seen on him is that he may not be a true 6'
2". I'm surprised the offer list is not better. ND seemed to prefer him to Mustipher. My guess is that his rating will go up significantly.
Ignore the 3 Stars in his case.
If you read the recruiter review he was not rated at all last year & shot up the rankings fairly fast & and a lot of teams were starting to go after him. He is expected to go up even further this season & has a huge upside.
This is the classic example of star-gazing not telling the entire story because he is a late bloomer & just recently got offers from FSU, UM, VT & some other major programs have him as a target now.
I would not be surprised at all if he is 4 Stars & gets a lot more offers in the next 6 months.
If you read the recruiter review he was not rated at all last year & shot up the rankings fairly fast & and a lot of teams were starting to go after him. He is expected to go up even further this season & has a huge upside.
This is the classic example of star-gazing not telling the entire story because he is a late bloomer & just recently got offers from FSU, UM, VT & some other major programs have him as a target now.
I would not be surprised at all if he is 4 Stars & gets a lot more offers in the next 6 months.
he would be a 4 if he were a couple inches taller. He may end up one anyways.
Does anyone have film from any of his camps? where he is competing with other top prospects?
Does anyone have film from any of his camps? where he is competing with other top prospects?
Will continue to rise in the rankings. Not a 5 star NG by any stretch of the imagination, but good enough to get an invite to the Opening Finals after tearing it up at the regional camp. I like him as an upgrade in anybody ND has on their roster with the exception of Tillery, Ewell and his classmate, Ademilola. Would bet somebody ranks this kid as a 4 star by the end of the cycle. He's fairly college ready to play relative to what he's going to be asked to do. Going to be a 6'1, 310lb penetraror and run stuffer. Nice leverage for that job, at that height.
The staff is also going to go hard after Jayson Oweh, the 3 star defensive end out of New Jersey who is tearing it up. 6'5, 235lbs and long-limbed. Former basketball player who has played only one year of football. No idea whatvhe's doing yet, but already a complete handful with his length and dimensions. Schools like Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan are suddenly banging his door down and he's getting a slew of offers. Not the 5 star end tou'd like to see on paper, but one hell of an athlete, who can develop behind Hayes, Okwara and Wardlow at the Drop End spot. Coming to Irish Invasion and ND is pressing him for a commitment... Wouldn't be shocked to a see a 5 man DL class of...
SDE: Thomas Booker
SDE: Justin Ademilola
WDE: Jayson Oweh
NG: Ja'mion Franklin
DT: Jayson Ademilola
Is that Nix, Tuitt, Williams, Lynch, Councell? Heck no, but it's a very talented, complete, class.
That would be an IDEAL defensive line class.....with the possibility of Mustipher also being added as a swing DT (NT/DT)
Honestly, I'm not sure how far off the 2011 DL class that would actually be...and I wouldn't be at all surpirsed if the ulimate production was better
Would be great to get that entire group locked up before the season starts
Getting Franklin and Ewell in back to back years gives us a really talented two deep at the NG position in a couple years. Staff went really hard after him, felt he was very underrated, and reportedly had him higher than Mustipher. Getting Booker to commit at the conclusion of The Invasion would really solidify this year's DL commits. I threw Oweh's name out a few weeks ago after reading he was offered, and he would be one hell of a way to close out DL recruiting, as he appears to have a very high ceiling given his size, speed, athleticism, and play with limited experience. He values education, and PSU and Harvard are high on his list, but his experience at The Invasion is critical for us to possibly close the deal. I agree with Oneillirish that if we close with the guys IIO projects, we may in fact end up with a better more impactful haul than the 2011 comparison.
reading some other forums, for a few weeks, this was deemed a 'fait accompli".
UF or UGA or Bama or even Meyer been hotly pursuing the kid.
His performance at the Elite11 sealed the deal on this one.
I doubt PSU has a shot at PJ. (but ND needs to win at least 8 games to hold)
But this is the type of kid who can do well, sometimes even flourish, in a DL rotation. Teams like LSU who use 9 or 10 DLs are not trotting out all four and five star kids in that rotation.
Exactly. This is guy (Franklin) who is at the top of ND's board (relative to guys with mutual interest). Landin two good players last year in Darnell and Myron, and two more this year in Jason and Ja'mion, gives you the building blocks for a quality DL in the future.
ND's problem under Kelly has long been that they whiff at positions or suffer extreme attrition at a position and that, in turn, straps the depth, competition and development from said position. You absolutely must bring in quality guys to compete at a high level, every year. You want the guys Alabama and Ohio State are getting, but if you can't get those guys, you have to get guys with the traits that could let them compete with those guys down the road. That has to be ND'S road map to success. Elite QB's, TE's, OL and WR's, with quality RB's. And elite LB's and Safeties, with quality DL and CB's. That seems to be the breakdown of how ND recruits. Doesn't mean they always get elite players, every year, at the positions I suggested, nor does it mean they won't ever get elite players at the positions I suggest they usually won't, but it's highly important that each class first has balance. Secondly, they need retention among the best players in the class. Thirdly, they need development from a strength and conditioning and technique perspective. Fourth, they need exceptional coaching (which I think they now have for the most part) and lastly, they need exemplary leadership both from their head coach and the leadership core on their team.
^ but you cannot to the top tier in college football w/o getting the playmakers. LSU and Clemson don't get in the top 8 classes but they get those difference makers at key positions. They usually have a guy like that in each position group (both those teams stress skill on defense).
If you are recruiting your class in the 12-30 rated players at the respective positions then over time that is pretty much the range in which you will ranked.
If you are recruiting your class in the 12-30 rated players at the respective positions then over time that is pretty much the range in which you will ranked.
No disagreement here. The key is for ND to surround one Manti Te'o and Stephon Tuitt on defense or one Jaylon Smith, with a host of quality, developed, fundamentally sound, players. Land Derrick Allen, pull Houston Griffith, develop Darnell Ewell and let them support Daelin Hayes as he develops into a 1st round pick.
I hope we finally get some difference maker on the defensive line. So far it hasn't happened in the past few years . Trumbetti Day, Rochell, Okwara were ,are very good players but they were not difference makers . We had high hopes for Jones,Cage , Hayes who were low 4 or high 3 rankings . Serviceable and not much more ,injuries or whatever.
When have we had a defensive linemen drafted high (1-4 rounds ) in the past few years .just looked at Jaron Jones ,not even drafted but Domers had high expectations for him . We need some blue chippers to fill in some of the spots Jayson Ademilola , Franklin , Justin Ademilola so far are our recruits on the D line .I don't know what to expect but I would think Mustiper would be a priority .
Every year we have high hopes with our commits.
The only real point to be made is that we are or were more talented than almost all the teams we played in 2016, and to come up with 4-8 record was disheartening . We should be at least a top 10- 15 program .we have the players ,let's see what Kelly's staff does in 2017
When have we had a defensive linemen drafted high (1-4 rounds ) in the past few years .just looked at Jaron Jones ,not even drafted but Domers had high expectations for him . We need some blue chippers to fill in some of the spots Jayson Ademilola , Franklin , Justin Ademilola so far are our recruits on the D line .I don't know what to expect but I would think Mustiper would be a priority .
Every year we have high hopes with our commits.
The only real point to be made is that we are or were more talented than almost all the teams we played in 2016, and to come up with 4-8 record was disheartening . We should be at least a top 10- 15 program .we have the players ,let's see what Kelly's staff does in 2017
A few thoughts: IIO - "it's not Nix, Tuitt, Williams, Lynch and Councel" - Nothing against those guys but only Tuitt and Nix consistently produced for ND (Yes I know about Lynch). NDA - "They (PSU) may go after Jurkovec now" - I hope so. I hope OSU, MI, AL, USC... go after him and everyone else ND is recruiting. We don't want players those guys don't want. T23 - "Why do people follow recruiting?" I can only speak for myself - It's entertaining. As for Franklin, I don't give a rat's #@# how many stars he has. The ND coaches (the ones whose careers depend on winning) want him. Let's hope they're right with their evaluation. Now let's get Booker!! Go Irish!!
I meant in terms of rankings and how that group was thought of coming out of high school. 4 top 100 overall defensive lineman, including 3 in the top 25. Chances are if you sign a 5 man defensive line class the best you can hope for are 2 of them to develop into studs, a third to be a a quality contributor/ starter, while poor development, injuries, academics, or some form of attrition will likely claim the other two. It's extremely rare for more than 3 players at one position, from the same class to work out. No matter how highly they are ranked.
Tuitt was a complete stud.
Lynch would have grown into a monster if he had his head on straight.
Councell was playing well as a backup in his sophomore season in 2012 before injuries derailed his career.
Williams never developed. He was a 4-3 rush end and didn't belong where ND tried to play him, IMO.
That's just the way she goes.
IIO - I understand your meaning. I don't disagree that the odds are much better when ND signs top rated DL. My point was directed more toward Chaseball that was intimating that Franklin "Isn't likely to move the needle forward" because he is a "lowly rated 3 star". Point being that recruiting isn't an exact science. If the coaches really want the player this early in the recruiting cycle versus a last minute, fill the position take, they may see something the recruiting services don't.
Day was an All-American.....that's not a "difference maker" now?
And don't give me the crap about the NFL draft. That's about NFL potential, not CFB production (which is why Day was drafted lower)
I agree, we need more difference makers on the DL, but that's true of almost every program.
And Jayson Ademilola is ABSOLUTELY a difference maker on the DL, similar to what Day was coming out of high school....though Ademilola appears to have a bigger frame and thus may have an even higher ceiling.
Booker (SDE/DT) and Oweh (WDE/SDE) are 2 more guys who we are pursuing who would also have the chance to be "difference makers" on the DL
Ewell and Amosa from the last class both have that potential as well
(with Amosa likely having the higher ceiling)
