Disappointed in Clay Helton
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Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
The 100 yards in penalties were mostly when Will Fuller was tackled before he was going to catch the ball for long touchdown grabs. 15 yards instead of 50 penalties.
I think they will beat Utah, and yes I'm putting money on that. That will be part of my 3 team parlay this weak. usc -3
Good God...what you want him to say? Notre Dame is the be all greatest thing ever. Matter of fact why is any team even playing football they are so good.
He is sounding like any other competitive coach.
Even in defeat a good competitive coach has trouble admitting defeat.
I don't want a coach so joyfully accepting of losing.
He is sounding like any other competitive coach.
Even in defeat a good competitive coach has trouble admitting defeat.
I don't want a coach so joyfully accepting of losing.
Not saying he should be joyful. How bout giving credit where it's due. The interceptions and blocked punt were mistakes? No, they were good plays.
"That other team".....
Resonates like a Bo/Woody distasteful disdain. I'm fine with it. Wish we made more teams mad when we beat them, it's good rivalry material.
Can't wait for the day when both schools peak in the same cycle and we get a true slobber knocker of the very best in college ball. The national championship should run through this rivalry, and CFB is at its very best when everything depends on the outcome between two rival heavyweights in there prime.
Resonates like a Bo/Woody distasteful disdain. I'm fine with it. Wish we made more teams mad when we beat them, it's good rivalry material.
Can't wait for the day when both schools peak in the same cycle and we get a true slobber knocker of the very best in college ball. The national championship should run through this rivalry, and CFB is at its very best when everything depends on the outcome between two rival heavyweights in there prime.
What's interesting about this is that now that there is a playoff, the chance of ND and USC playing in the championship game is SLIGHTLY more likely.
In years past we would knock each other out of the race. It's unlikely, but ND vs USC for the championship would be epic.
My brother was at the game. Both PI calls happened in front of him, first row endzone seats.
He said the game was awesome, and couldn't believe how much the campus had changed since 1988.
They WERE mistakes by USC. The one pass #6 intercepted was a great play. Outside of that the other pick was a horrible throw.....they key is capitalizing on the other teams mistakes. Which we did. A competitive coach is not going to concede anything to the other team.
Explain how the other pick was a horrible throw.
It would've hit the receiver right on the money if KeiVarae Russell hadn't broken up the pass with Max Redfield in perfect position to pick off the deflection.
Seriously, explain how it was a horrible throw. I'll listen..... then laugh at you.
Ok...ready?
It was a deep in. The bad part is this. There was tight draping coverage all over the receiver...and guess what else....there were three....yes three other Irish defenders in the immediate vicinity. I wouldn't go as far to say he was quadruple covered but he was well covered and had three other defenders all within 3-4 yards of that receiver.
Now I have no idea why we had so many covering one guy but you can bet someone...or ones were wide open on that.
Ssssoooo while you are laughing and feel this need of vindication from the opposing coach of all people for God sakes, I call reality and that was a terrible throw.
The punt.....some of the rush was not accounted for. Bad on USC.
Russell interception...spectacular play. Good throw. He literally MADE a play on that.
The second pick.....you don't throw into 4 Irish defenders whilst one of them is glued on the receiver to begin with.
I echo again that is a terrible decision/throw.
Yes, I'm laughing. Thank you I needed that.
My god are you really giving minimal credit to the ND players? Notre Dame won because of mistakes and not good plays? I suppose no credit should be given to USC for forcing a fumble at the 2 yard line.
You're are making excuses for the ND victory. Is your first name Clay?
Was ND flawless? NO, but when the game is said and done you win and lose with class.
88 must be the amount of times you were dropped on the head as a child.
turn it around, imagine you came on here, what would you be reading?
and, teams that have a punt blocked generally do have a breakdown in blocking somewhere
'that other team', he sure got into the rivalry fast! good for him! Remember Bear referring to Auburn as that 'cow college' ?
Hey we lost the Clemson game because of our mistakes, 4 TOs and god knows how many dropped balls. It was definitely less Clemson and more of our mistakes
It was a somewhat understandable mistake given the structure of the defense, but he threw it in to coverage (Russell). Russel still made a good play too. Interceptions are almost always caused by mistakes by the offense...not that I agree that USC gave the game away or anything.
Kei made a great play. In the 1st drive Kei had good coverage but the throw was perfect and Smith made a good catch!
It happens.
It happens.
By the way, 6 mistakes is a HUGE amount of mistakes in a game. You deserve to lose with that many big mistakes. Some teams lose heart-breakers with just one mistake. I guess when his star DB got toasted by Fuller, it was just a "mistake." C'mon man! The better team will make the lesser team make "mistakes."
The throw to JuJu on the first drive could have been intercepted as well if Russell turns around. Was that really a great throw or a should have been interception. Very fine line when throwing into tight coverage, but that's what QBs do. In terms of there being 3 other defenders around the WR on the tip, it was a zone defense with Russell playing man. There should be multiple ND players around the WR and that does not mean someone else was wide open. That argument does not hold much water. If it had been true zone coverage, which is probably what Kessler thought it was when he saw the defense drop, the play would have been a completion. The only mistake was not recognizing that Russell was still shadowing, but that is part of the chess match right?
The blocked punt - all on the coaching staffs - no doubt about it. In 95% of cases where the other team is punting from their 25 you play for field position. ND saw something in the SC blocking alignment that led them to believe they could get a block and they went for it when SC would never expect it. As the opposing coach, best to just keep your mouth closed on that play unless you're apologizing for being out coached or complimenting the other team.
The blocked punt - all on the coaching staffs - no doubt about it. In 95% of cases where the other team is punting from their 25 you play for field position. ND saw something in the SC blocking alignment that led them to believe they could get a block and they went for it when SC would never expect it. As the opposing coach, best to just keep your mouth closed on that play unless you're apologizing for being out coached or complimenting the other team.
I can barely utter "USC" myself. It leaves a really bad after taste. So, I can understand the guy's phrase of "the other team". I know that I was not willing to give credit to Clemson in their "win" over the Irish. I blamed it all on ND and so did many on this here little community of ours. Who cares what Helton says anyway. Who cares what anyone from USC has to say about anything. It pains me to say this but Irish Nation needs USC to win out the rest of the season.
You need to go back and watch that one play. A zone defense each person gets their section of the field.
What you are suggesting is USC only sent one receiver out on the play....correct? Because if they sent more than one....somebody or bodies were in fact wide open. There was 4 Irish defenders virtually camped in the middle from begin to end on that play. They were not covering anyone else....Matter of fact they were not watching anyone else...because nobody else was there.
So that said, the qb, missed who was open....or the SC coach sent I'm a play and specifically said throw this right into the teeth of the defense please. Which you know didn't happen.
Instead of the coach throwing people under the bus.....he just said WE made mistakes and that's why we lost.
Nothing wrong and classless as some call it with what he said.
When the DOME went on the losing streak last year how effing many people were pissing and moaning about the injuries and implying why the losing is happening now.
What is the difference?
There isn't.
I actually think this may have been a busted coverage by Russell. That sounds weird considering the great play he made, but he was playing man on that receiver all the way IIRC. The defense wasn't actually sound with that coverage (and the #2 receiver to that side runs an out route and is uncovered). Perhaps, given the score, the coaches tried something funky hoping it could draw a mistake from the QB.
The only real threat to that play was Russell. The outside linebackers and safeties were not much threat to that crossing route. Kessler sees the two deep safeties bailing with the Mike running the deep middle third, so he knows he has the deep crossing route, except Russell is playing man for some reason.
The only real threat to that play was Russell. The outside linebackers and safeties were not much threat to that crossing route. Kessler sees the two deep safeties bailing with the Mike running the deep middle third, so he knows he has the deep crossing route, except Russell is playing man for some reason.
That's right but the point is one other receiver..possibly two were not covered. Again any competitive coach will look at that and say we shouldn't have thrown it in there when player x was open.
This ridiculous puffy bottom lip because the USC coach isn't anointing the Dome the next G.O.A.T. ..
And no 44....not speaking of you.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Jason Sehorn today said that USC was up by two scores and blew the game. He said that after every great play USC made they would make an equally bad play to ND.
Face it. These USC players, coaches, alumni, and fans are all a bunch of ignorant, drunken, criminal, drugged out of their mind, CRY BABIES ! Pat Haden included.
Face it. These USC players, coaches, alumni, and fans are all a bunch of ignorant, drunken, criminal, drugged out of their mind, CRY BABIES ! Pat Haden included.
Jason dehorn could have had Angie Harmon every day but walked away
What does he know?
Do you feel like Notre dame let Clemson win or do you feel like Clemson earned every inch of the victory?
I know a lot of you along with me feel like we lost the game more than Clemson won it.
That is no different than USC saying what they are saying. None
I know a lot of you along with me feel like we lost the game more than Clemson won it.
That is no different than USC saying what they are saying. None
My friend, it is one thing for a group of fans on a message board to say things; it is quite another for A head coach to say something to the media.
The block punt was 100% on the coaches. ND staff gets all the credit for seeing the weakness and USC staff takes the bullet for the formation allowing it. Helton has demonstrated to me in one postgame interview he does not have the cache to be USC head coach.
The block punt was 100% on the coaches. ND staff gets all the credit for seeing the weakness and USC staff takes the bullet for the formation allowing it. Helton has demonstrated to me in one postgame interview he does not have the cache to be USC head coach.
Who cares what the USC coach says when it is his job to talk up his team especially after a loss.
