Deshone Kizer's mechanics

[Quest4Twelve]

Is it me or does anyone else think he could deliver a better ball if he would step into his throws more? His weight shift seems awkward when throwing the ball and last night was no different. On one deep ball to Chris Brown he ended up throwing a line drive, horrible ball and Brown had a step on the defender.

This is a game where we desperately needed a more athletic quarterback running the offense. Yes there were a s ton of stupid plays and turnovers but BC was just teeing off on the slow developing between the tackles runs.

 

[echowaker]

Is it me or does anyone else think he could deliver a better ball if he would step into his throws more? His weight shift seems awkward when throwing the ball and last night was no different. On one deep ball to Chris Brown he ended up throwing a line drive, horrible ball and Brown had a step on the defender.

This is a game where we desperately needed a more athletic quarterback running the offense. Yes there were a s ton of stupid plays and turnovers but BC was just teeing off on the slow developing between the tackles runs.

will forward this to coach Sanford.

 

[Telx1]

Of course he delivers the ball better when he steps into his throw. However, sometimes pressure removes this option, and Kizer has shown the ability to deliver the ball accurately while throwing off his back foot. Yesterday, he tried to force a long throw while back peddling and paid the price. Hopefully, he learns from this. The short Int he threw in the end zone where his lone receiver was covered was much more concerning.

 

[Pennick4]

will forward this to coach Sanford.

Is it me or does anyone else think he could deliver a better ball if he would step into his throws more? His weight shift seems awkward when throwing the ball and last night was no different. On one deep ball to Chris Brown he ended up throwing a line drive, horrible ball and Brown had a step on the defender.

This is a game where we desperately needed a more athletic quarterback running the offense. Yes there were a s ton of stupid plays and turnovers but BC was just teeing off on the slow developing between the tackles runs.

Mixer has plenty of athletic ability. He had a poor game based more on his decision making ability. He is a first year player. Enjoy the ride!

 

[88ND]

Yes.its called muscle memory. Once he starts throwing off his back foot in a game he just continues the trend for the rest of the game. He was terrified of letting it rip after the end zone pick.
A while ago I said I wish he would step into his throws. The other nasty Nasty nasty habit he gets into is staring down the same target beginning to end. I'm not talking about the quick spot passes or bubble screens but conventional route running looking off the defense would be amazing.
Want to know when he is at his best?
Deep throw or when he is flushed from pocket and the receivers break off their route. Exactly when the defense can't zero in on him because the play dynamic has changed.

Even still he delivered some ...I wouldn't call strikes... but very catchable balls only to have them dropped.

He players bad at teams....or like a freshman but he still made some very impressive throws that were dropped.

This was not Will Fuller's best game nor anyone's frankly not named Brown.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Agree that Kizer has a tendency to throw off his back foot. He has such a strong arm he usually gets away with it, even though it's a bad habit. Sometimes you simply have to due to pressure and it seemed like Kizer didn't really trust his o-lineman last night. He also has a tendency to hold in the ball a little too long. I think he hasn't quite nailed the timing down with his receivers and wants to SEE the receiver is open before throwing the ball as opposed to trusting/anticipating the receiver will be open.

The good thing is that all the bad habits we're talking about are correctable and I think he'll figure it out. He's just a freshman and has a lot of success to build on.

 

[IRISHJD98]

Kizer didn't start playing football until his Freshman year in high school. He was a baseball player, and he's got some work to do on his mechanics and footwork. He's talked about it several times this year. He's smart and coach-able, so he'll continue to improve.

 

[perseverare]

the kid's mechanics seem to be fine at crunch time! And going into the game the kid, a Fr. who got limited practice reps till MZ's injury was in the top 10 QB power rankings!

With experience and additional coaching he will improve his technics. Patience.

 

[Mheezyfosheezy3]

Throwing off his back foot last night was a recipe for disaster. Thought I was watching Jay Cutler.

 

[Pennick4]

Throwing off his back foot last night was a recipe for disaster. Thought I was watching Jay Cutler.

Clueless. More about his decision making. Just win baby!

 

[Mheezyfosheezy3]

So all the above posters who saw him throwing off his back foot are clueless too? Don't be a super fan Pennick, Kizer had bad mechanics last night. Period.

 

[IrishBlessings]

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So all the above posters who saw him throwing off his back foot are clueless too? Don't be a super fan Pennick, Kizer had bad mechanics last night. Period.

Bad mechanics or was it bad decision making - how about both. Haven't seen to much in the bad decision making category w/ Kizer. But last night was pretty bad. He had that EG look bout him last night. Kind of in a fog. He's now had what 8 or 9 starts ? He is now getting to an experience level where he shouldn't be making foolish decisions - He is a redshirt Fresh w/ almost a full season now of starting. He needs to step up big time in these last couple of games. The picks in the end zone were him being careless and lazy. He needs to be smarter and sharper than that.

 

[Rockne's Rambler]

Kizer throws off his back foot only when he's retreating from a would-be tackler. When he's not pressured and backpedaling, he's fine. The only thing that I can see that might be an issue is that he brings his arm way back to throw; I'd rather see him throw from just back of the ear. Maybe his throwing motion is a result of his years of playing baseball.

 

[88ND]

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Bad mechanics or was it bad decision making - how about both. Haven't seen to much in the bad decision making category w/ Kizer. But last night was pretty bad. He had that EG look bout him last night. Kind of in a fog. He's now had what 8 or 9 starts ? He is now getting to an experience level where he shouldn't be making foolish decisions - He is a redshirt Fresh w/ almost a full season now of starting. He needs to step up big time in these last couple of games. The picks in the end zone were him being careless and lazy. He needs to be smarter and sharper than that.

To a degree yes. However the red zone picks I also blame on Kelly.
The goal there is to get a touchdown...worst case a field goal. Coming away with nothing is bad.
Why blame Kelly some?
I feel he might be the best play caller between the 20's. Red zone in.....particularly the 10 yard line in I feel Kelly just gets too fancy and out coaches himself. I sometimes cringe when we get inside the 10 with first down to go.
Did Kelly make Kizer force that throw on the first pick ? No.
Did Kelly give his QB the best possible scenario to succeed there? I think NO WAY!!!
I have no time for first and goal from the 8 and we go empty set Five wide. Ridiculous.

 

[AsianNDfan]

it's both... he's a freshman and he will struggle.... you should see a big jump in both areas next year......

 

[echowaker]

To a degree yes. However the red zone picks I also blame on Kelly.
The goal there is to get a touchdown...worst case a field goal. Coming away with nothing is bad.
Why blame Kelly some?
I feel he might be the best play caller between the 20's. Red zone in.....particularly the 10 yard line in I feel Kelly just gets too fancy and out coaches himself. I sometimes cringe when we get inside the 10 with first down to go.
Did Kelly make Kizer force that throw on the first pick ? No.
Did Kelly give his QB the best possible scenario to succeed there? I think NO WAY!!!
I have no time for first and goal from the 8 and we go empty set Five wide. Ridiculous.

this might be your most stupid post to date. again, what's your football pedigree ? you won't answer because you obviously don't have one . totally uninformed.

 

[jimlafrance]

Kizer had a bad game after a lot of good ones - If anything he played better as the game went on. He makes all the throws, is generally very accurate, and I have never seen an ND QB throw the long ball better....the dropped ball by Fuller was a perfect throw.

 

[Yooper Irishfan]

I'm not too worried about Kizer. The kid is playing so much better than I thought possible. He's going to make some mistakes, because he's still seeing brand new things every game, but he will learn from them.

 

[kellys heroes 35]

To a degree yes. However the red zone picks I also blame on Kelly.
The goal there is to get a touchdown...worst case a field goal. Coming away with nothing is bad.
Why blame Kelly some?
I feel he might be the best play caller between the 20's. Red zone in.....particularly the 10 yard line in I feel Kelly just gets too fancy and out coaches himself. I sometimes cringe when we get inside the 10 with first down to go.
Did Kelly make Kizer force that throw on the first pick ? No.
Did Kelly give his QB the best possible scenario to succeed there? I think NO WAY!!!
I have no time for first and goal from the 8 and we go empty set Five wide. Ridiculous.

Kizer rolled out and forced - under threw Jones . It was a classic mistake of forcing a throw rather than just throwing it away ( QB decision ) there is not one coach in college football who would have advised making that throw .

Kizer simply made a mistake in judgement .

So to date re Saturday nite we have a poster putting that decision on coach Kelly and putting the strips on the coaches for not telling the kids to fall down before the strip attempts

My guess is that these kinds of suggestions/observations are borne out of the minds of people who have never played the game and simply cannot distinguish between what are the coaches responsibilities and the players responsibilities . Having played sports and coached sports the differences seem so obvious to me .

After the Clemson game Coach Kelly commented on the INT Kizer threw in the middle of the field " DK knew better than to make that throw - he will learn from that " clearly Kelly wants his QB's to err on the side of caution- see Everett Golson all of 2012

Kizer made a really bad decision on 1st and goal - throw it away and live for another play . Football 101 taught by every coach in America

 

[FLballcoach1]

I have no idea how you can blame that play call on the coach? Besides forcing a ball into coverage in the Red Zone, which is an absolute cardinal sin. Kizer not only jeopardized the TD, it also jeopardized the 3 points. And the thing that made the decision the most disappointing IMO was the fact it was only first down.

Simply throw the ball out of the End Zone and take 2 more cracks at scoring a TD, then kick a FG. As far as throwing a Play Action pass on 1st Down on the 5 yard line against one of the best Front Sevens in College Football. That seems like a really good play call to me.

 

[FightingIrish44]

To a degree yes. However the red zone picks I also blame on Kelly.
The goal there is to get a touchdown...worst case a field goal. Coming away with nothing is bad.
Why blame Kelly some?
I feel he might be the best play caller between the 20's. Red zone in.....particularly the 10 yard line in I feel Kelly just gets too fancy and out coaches himself. I sometimes cringe when we get inside the 10 with first down to go.
Did Kelly make Kizer force that throw on the first pick ? No.
Did Kelly give his QB the best possible scenario to succeed there? I think NO WAY!!!
I have no time for first and goal from the 8 and we go empty set Five wide. Ridiculous.

You're using nothing but hindsight. Who cares if they don't run the formations you want to run? That doesn't mean Kelly is outsmarting himself.

What's annoying as all hell is that peolle like you don't even understand that you can run the same plays from any formation you want, basically. What's the difference between running a QB counter from empty and doing it from under center? Not a whole lot. They both have their strengths and weaknesses and neither is correct. Its simply the philosophy of the guy who created the offense. That's all.

 

[88ND]

And the above says to me that none of you have any coaching experience and if you do it's not very successful.
Notice I said SOME of the blame goes to Kelly. A coaches job is not to just calm plays he thinks should work but also put his guys ...that are currently in the game ,,,in the best spot to succeed. If you think he does that all the time then you have no sense of reality and flow within what the hell is going on.

Kizer forced that first throw. I clearly stated.

Remember...this is a freshman QB and do you feel that play was putting the STILL a freshman QB in the best position to succeed? I don't. Sorry.

Moreover .....not just you 44, but who else wanted to make some out of touch sarcastic remark.....
Notre Dame has the most red zone turnovers of any team. Brian Kelly is in charge of Notre Dame and in particular the offense. The red zone turnovers are becoming a staple of his. This is a dating stat...not just this year with a freshman QB....but this is for the last three years running.

I'm sorry but this can't always be thrown on players laps.

Yes Kizer played bad.....threw off his back foot a lot. Fuller had a game to forget. Jaylon was not as sterling on defense with several tackles broken, terrible verification on a zone reed.
A lot of players didn't do good. Neither did Kelly .

 

[Johnnie82]

Kizer, who by the way had not played any meaningful football until game 2 of the season, is 9-1 as a starter with a passing efficiency of 152.5. 175 completions of 272 attempts for 64.3%. 18 touchdowns and 9 ints. and 2362 yards passing. Yet somebody starts a thread on mechanics? He is basically a freshman, starting at, arguably, the most scrutinized position in sports. He is running on fumes at this point but I think he can power through it.

 

[FightingIrish44]

My post was in regards to you having a problem with ND going empty inside the 10. The game comes down to execution; not what formation you use.

I think its dumb that you sit there and say "NO WAY" did he put Kizer in the best position. Dude, Kizer made a dumb **** pass there. He can do that on any given pass play no matter how smart of a call it was. You can make that easy, ignorant comment about any play whenever the player messes up.

Actually, your description of Jaylon Smith having "terrible verification on a zone read" shows me that you probably know jack about football and probably have never actually coached or studied the game -- and I don't even know what play you're talking about. Which play was that? I'd like to laugh about you not knowing anything about football. I'll come back and apologize if you had a legitimate gripe and he didn't properly "verify".

 

[echowaker]

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And the above says to me that none of you have any coaching experience and if you do it's not very successful.
Notice I said SOME of the blame goes to Kelly. A coaches job is not to just calm plays he thinks should work but also put his guys ...that are currently in the game ,,,in the best spot to succeed. If you think he does that all the time then you have no sense of reality and flow within what the hell is going on.

Kizer forced that first throw. I clearly stated.

Remember...this is a freshman QB and do you feel that play was putting the STILL a freshman QB in the best position to succeed? I don't. Sorry.

Moreover .....not just you 44, but who else wanted to make some out of touch sarcastic remark.....
Notre Dame has the most red zone turnovers of any team. Brian Kelly is in charge of Notre Dame and in particular the offense. The red zone turnovers are becoming a staple of his. This is a dating stat...not just this year with a freshman QB....but this is for the last three years running.

I'm sorry but this can't always be thrown on players laps.

Yes Kizer played bad.....threw off his back foot a lot. Fuller had a game to forget. Jaylon was not as sterling on defense with several tackles broken, terrible verification on a zone reed.
A lot of players didn't do good. Neither did Kelly .

please state your resume ?

 

[echowaker]

My post was in regards to you having a problem with ND going empty inside the 10. The game comes down to execution; not what formation you use.

I think its dumb that you sit there and say "NO WAY" did he put Kizer in the best position. Dude, Kizer made a dumb **** pass there. He can do that on any given pass play no matter how smart of a call it was. You can make that easy, ignorant comment about any play whenever the player messes up.

Actually, your description of Jaylon Smith having "terrible verification on a zone read" shows me that you probably know jack about football and probably have never actually coached or studied the game -- and I don't even know what play you're talking about. Which play was that? I'd like to laugh about you not knowing anything about football. I'll come back and apologize if you had a legitimate gripe and he didn't properly "verify".

with each and every post he proves he has no formative football knowledge or experience.

 

[echowaker]

And the above says to me that none of you have any coaching experience and if you do it's not very successful.
Notice I said SOME of the blame goes to Kelly. A coaches job is not to just calm plays he thinks should work but also put his guys ...that are currently in the game ,,,in the best spot to succeed. If you think he does that all the time then you have no sense of reality and flow within what the hell is going on.

Kizer forced that first throw. I clearly stated.

Remember...this is a freshman QB and do you feel that play was putting the STILL a freshman QB in the best position to succeed? I don't. Sorry.

Moreover .....not just you 44, but who else wanted to make some out of touch sarcastic remark.....
Notre Dame has the most red zone turnovers of any team. Brian Kelly is in charge of Notre Dame and in particular the offense. The red zone turnovers are becoming a staple of his. This is a dating stat...not just this year with a freshman QB....but this is for the last three years running.

I'm sorry but this can't always be thrown on players laps.

Yes Kizer played bad.....threw off his back foot a lot. Fuller had a game to forget. Jaylon was not as sterling on defense with several tackles broken, terrible verification on a zone reed.
A lot of players didn't do good. Neither did Kelly .

you do understand that kelly is not calling plays.

 

[88ND]

My post was in regards to you having a problem with ND going empty inside the 10. The game comes down to execution; not what formation you use.

I think its dumb that you sit there and say "NO WAY" did he put Kizer in the best position. Dude, Kizer made a dumb **** pass there. He can do that on any given pass play no matter how smart of a call it was. You can make that easy, ignorant comment about any play whenever the player messes up.

Actually, your description of Jaylon Smith having "terrible verification on a zone read" shows me that you probably know jack about football and probably have never actually coached or studied the game -- and I don't even know what play you're talking about. Which play was that? I'd like to laugh about you not knowing anything about football. I'll come back and apologize if you had a legitimate gripe and he didn't properly "verify".

You ready? Ok 44...

It's not that difficult. The approximately 80 yard run by the BC qb...Jaylon chased the ****ing running back half way across the field...vacating his inside position. Oh guess what....the running back didn't have the ball. Anytime you want we can go over technique, x's and o's....
As I clearly stated Kizer made a terrible decision forcing the ball.
Having said that Brian Kelly in the red zone makes things an adventure. Between the 20's ...better yet between the 10's he is the ultimate play caller. But if you think he puts his team in the best situations from the 10 yard in Mark......I question your ability to watch, analyze etc.

There is no magical reason Notre Dame leads all of football in red zone turnovers over the last several years. It can't ALL be on the players.

Btw, keeping a running back in the formation especially from the ten yard in mark keeps atleast one player from the back seven to be honest, possibly two accounting for the running back and or QB/rb ...etc.

Empty sets one guy from the back seven only has to spy on the QB. Keep a running back in now he has to account for him and the QB leading to a possible continued spy on the QB and another backer or safety accounting for the rb slipping out for a pass, run, etc.

Add in the fact there is less room from the ten yard in Mark.....
Personally I feel there are much better formations to be running than empty sets at that very critical spot on the field.
Yes for the millionth time Kizer made a bad decision. Just remember Kelly's offense leads all of football on red zone turnovers for multiple years.
Thx

 

[echowaker]

You ready? Ok 44...

It's not that difficult. The approximately 80 yard run by the BC qb...Jaylon chased the ****ing running back half way across the field...vacating his inside position. Oh guess what....the running back didn't have the ball. Anytime you want we can go over technique, x's and o's....
As I clearly stated Kizer made a terrible decision forcing the ball.
Having said that Brian Kelly in the red zone makes things an adventure. Between the 20's ...better yet between the 10's he is the ultimate play caller. But if you think he puts his team in the best situations from the 10 yard in Mark......I question your ability to watch, analyze etc.

There is no magical reason Notre Dame leads all of football in red zone turnovers over the last several years. It can't ALL be on the players.

Btw, keeping a running back in the formation especially from the ten yard in mark keeps atleast one player from the back seven to be honest, possibly two accounting for the running back and or QB/rb ...etc.

Empty sets one guy from the back seven only has to spy on the QB. Keep a running back in now he has to account for him and the QB leading to a possible continued spy on the QB and another backer or safety accounting for the rb slipping out for a pass, run, etc.

Add in the fact there is less room from the ten yard in Mark.....
Personally I feel there are much better formations to be running than empty sets at that very critical spot on the field.
Yes for the millionth time Kizer made a bad decision. Just remember Kelly's offense leads all of football on red zone turnovers for multiple years.
Thx

kelly is not calling the plays. ever, ever think that the running back smith was chasing on said play was his responsibility ? you should just stop posting. a hindsighter with no knowledge of the game . a fact you prove every time you post. you don't know squat. try the library.

 

[FightingIrish44]

You ready? Ok 44...

It's not that difficult. The approximately 80 yard run by the BC qb...Jaylon chased the ****ing running back half way across the field...vacating his inside position. Oh guess what....the running back didn't have the ball. Anytime you want we can go over technique, x's and o's....
As I clearly stated Kizer made a terrible decision forcing the ball.
Having said that Brian Kelly in the red zone makes things an adventure. Between the 20's ...better yet between the 10's he is the ultimate play caller. But if you think he puts his team in the best situations from the 10 yard in Mark......I question your ability to watch, analyze etc.

There is no magical reason Notre Dame leads all of football in red zone turnovers over the last several years. It can't ALL be on the players.

Btw, keeping a running back in the formation especially from the ten yard in mark keeps atleast one player from the back seven to be honest, possibly two accounting for the running back and or QB/rb ...etc.

Empty sets one guy from the back seven only has to spy on the QB. Keep a running back in now he has to account for him and the QB leading to a possible continued spy on the QB and another backer or safety accounting for the rb slipping out for a pass, run, etc.

Add in the fact there is less room from the ten yard in Mark.....
Personally I feel there are much better formations to be running than empty sets at that very critical spot on the field.
Yes for the millionth time Kizer made a bad decision. Just remember Kelly's offense leads all of football on red zone turnovers for multiple years.
Thx

I'm not talking x's and o's with someone who doesn't know jack about football.

Notre Dame is playing quarters coverage on that TD run. That mean Jaylon is fast flow to the ballcarrier because he has the safety helping him on the cutback runs. The safety messed up by being slow and not defending the QB. Its like he didn't consider it a possibility the QB could keep the ball.

Also, BC was reading Jaylon Smith. Kind of hard to make a play on the ball carrier when you're the one being read. Doubt you picked up on any of what I just pointed out. You simply see Jaylon running away from the ballcarrier so that means he messed up. I knew by your language that you were full of it.

You're an idiot and you know nothing about football. That's all fine. Just don't be critical about things you know nothing about.

You're going on ignore until you learn how to play nice. Just because Kelly is doing something you donmt want to do, doesn't mean he's outsmarting himself.

 

[echowaker]

I'm not talking x's and o's with someone who doesn't know jack about football.

Notre Dame is playing quarters coverage on that TD run. That mean Jaylon is fast flow to the ballcarrier because he has the safety helping him on the cutback runs. The safety messed up by being slow and not defending the QB. Its like he didn't consider it a possibility the QB could keep the ball.

Also, BC was reading Jaylon Smith. Kind of hard to make a play on the ball carrier when you're the one being read. Doubt you picked up on any of what I just pointed out. You simply see Jaylon running away from the ballcarrier so that means he messed up. I knew by your language that you were full of it.

You're an idiot and you know nothing about football. That's all fine. Just don't be critical about things you know nothing about.

You're going on ignore until you learn how to play nice. Just because Kelly is doing something you donmt want to do, doesn't mean he's outsmarting himself.

he just doesn't understand the game. any of it.

 

[kellys heroes 35]

he just doesn't understand the game. any of it.

I have no idea how you can blame that play call on the coach? Besides forcing a ball into coverage in the Red Zone, which is an absolute cardinal sin. Kizer not only jeopardized the TD, it also jeopardized the 3 points. And the thing that made the decision the most disappointing IMO was the fact it was only first down.

Simply throw the ball out of the End Zone and take 2 more cracks at scoring a TD, then kick a FG. As far as throwing a Play Action pass on 1st Down on the 5 yard line against one of the best Front Sevens in College Football. That seems like a really good play call to me.

Fball coach -- I am certain you have come to the conclusion that in many cases you are dealing w feeble bitter people w issues on this board . Please don't burn out on arguing with mongrels as I enjoy your insights into the game .
BTW anyone not knowing the playbook and not having a full view of the field which you don't get from television is a moron for hanging a bad plays execution solely on the coaching staff .
Anyone who even hints that the play on 1st and goal at the five on the opening series was Kelly's fault

A ) knows nothing NOTHING
B ) has some IQ issues
C ) has some personal ax to grind W Brian Kelly that has nothing to do w football which is really pathetic given that that person has never even met the guy

Last note - purse says we have a right to communicate freely on this board -- he is right -- thank you for giving me the green light in calling you and turnover intellectual pablum .

 

[kellys heroes 35]

Anyone coming on this board taking pot shots at our coach who has gone 12-0 three yrs ago and has once again positioned us to have a shot at a national championship better be prepared for taking some major shit . If any fan of ND is not feeling a bit of gratitude toward Brian Kelly -- you are a prick and be prepared for the beat downs you will be getting from posters on this board .

.

 

[88ND]

I'm not talking x's and o's with someone who doesn't know jack about football.

Notre Dame is playing quarters coverage on that TD run. That mean Jaylon is fast flow to the ballcarrier because he has the safety helping him on the cutback runs. The safety messed up by being slow and not defending the QB. Its like he didn't consider it a possibility the QB could keep the ball.

Also, BC was reading Jaylon Smith. Kind of hard to make a play on the ball carrier when you're the one being read. Doubt you picked up on any of what I just pointed out. You simply see Jaylon running away from the ballcarrier so that means he messed up. I knew by your language that you were full of it.

You're an idiot and you know nothing about football. That's all fine. Just don't be critical about things you know nothing about.

You're going on ignore until you learn how to play nice. Just because Kelly is doing something you donmt want to do, doesn't mean he's outsmarting himself.

Anytime you want to discuss let's go. You have no knowledge on formations , responsible play, techniques, etc. None.

Fast flow? Fast flow?.Did you really write that?

Hilarious. Let me explain this to you. If they are in quarters then why is Jaylon chasing? What? A fast flow? The dumbest expression you've ever typed. Period.

Jaylon guessed. Jaylon did not verify where the ball was and sold out on the play.
Yes he was supposed to have safety help as the front seven always does .....but if you think the coaches told Jaylon to blindly go after the running back and ignore the football then it explains even more your ignorance. By the freak chance that our coach would tell him to ignore the football and chase automatically.....then we better get some new coaches.

One question. If Jaylon reads the football, then attacks, does the BC QB go for 80 yards?

When defending the zone read especially in the middle you do not just take the **** off running without getting any hint of the football. The players on the edge play a responsibility throughout but on the middle you have to verify, then attack. If you don't you get 80 yard plays from the QB spot ran on you.
Moreover, the safety played that bad. But again if Notre dame was doing what you state...and the safety was solely responsible for the QB then that means we are automatically conceding a 10 yard gain on that play.
But you see even the worst coaching in the world does not want to concede anything in that situation let alone a 10 plus yard gain all the way to the point the safety could break out of his back pedal, come to meet him.

Who in the **** would ever coach that? Hey inside linebackers....ignore the football....just take off running after a running back ....all without knowing mind you if he has the ball or not.....and if the qb keeps it no problem we will give up 10 yards minimum and our safety will get him.

And I love how you still keep ignoring the fact that Brian Kelly has the most turnovers in the red zone of any program in the nation. It's a staple of his. Not just a fluke this year thing. No. Every year we give the ball away down there. Amazing.

But hey.....it must always be on those players as he just puts them in the best scenario to succeed.

Not going to address any more of that gibberish from you.

Fast flow is why we left the middle of the field WIDE open. Hilarious.

 

[FightingIrish44]

I'm not debating you. Its painfully obvious that you don't know what you're talking about. Your post clearly shows that. Fast flow...its a term meaning the LB doesn't have to worry about the ball cutting back on him because he has another player behind him who can help on that. A slow flow linebacker can't fly to the ball because they don't have help on the cutback. Its actually pretty simple.

You can figure out the rest with what's wrong with your post. Seriously, you need to spend a bunch of time studying run fits and how the coverage call changes them. You would also be well served in studying offenses and what types of schemes they use.

 

[Quest4Twelve]

The man is right.

 

[FightingIrish44]

Also, dumb shit, you don't verify who has the ball on any given play. You play your assignment or you read your keys that tell you what to do. You probably think that a DE is undisciplined simply because you seem him "chasing" the RB on zone read. Just like Jaylon on that play.

Go talk to a real coach. Show him this thread. Its hilarious that you try to pretend you coach or know something about the game. Echowaker always asks for your credentials. I don't typically care about that as anyone whose studied the game can be informed. But seriously, where have you coached? Your knowledge of the game reminds me of those ignorant screamers that always think they know better than the coaches.

 

[FLballcoach1]

This reminds me of some of my post game conversations with specators. We got beat on a couple of long passes one night and a guy comes up to me and says. "Coach, you need to tell your DB,s to turn around faster and try to knock the ball away"!

I'm like Thanks! I'll make a note of that and work on it Monday.".LOL!!!

 

[IRISHJD98]

I'm not talking x's and o's with someone who doesn't know jack about football.

Notre Dame is playing quarters coverage on that TD run. That mean Jaylon is fast flow to the ballcarrier because he has the safety helping him on the cutback runs. The safety messed up by being slow and not defending the QB. Its like he didn't consider it a possibility the QB could keep the ball.

Also, BC was reading Jaylon Smith. Kind of hard to make a play on the ball carrier when you're the one being read. Doubt you picked up on any of what I just pointed out. You simply see Jaylon running away from the ballcarrier so that means he messed up. I knew by your language that you were full of it.

You're an idiot and you know nothing about football. That's all fine. Just don't be critical about things you know nothing about.

You're going on ignore until you learn how to play nice. Just because Kelly is doing something you donmt want to do, doesn't mean he's outsmarting himself.

Redfield was completely clueless on that play. He didn't react to the QB until Smith changed course. And he nearly ran over Smith. Might have been the best block of the day.

He was all over the QB on that same read in the first and third quarter.

 

[echowaker]

Anytime you want to discuss let's go. You have no knowledge on formations , responsible play, techniques, etc. None.

Fast flow? Fast flow?.Did you really write that?

Hilarious. Let me explain this to you. If they are in quarters then why is Jaylon chasing? What? A fast flow? The dumbest expression you've ever typed. Period.

Jaylon guessed. Jaylon did not verify where the ball was and sold out on the play.
Yes he was supposed to have safety help as the front seven always does .....but if you think the coaches told Jaylon to blindly go after the running back and ignore the football then it explains even more your ignorance. By the freak chance that our coach would tell him to ignore the football and chase automatically.....then we better get some new coaches.

One question. If Jaylon reads the football, then attacks, does the BC QB go for 80 yards?

When defending the zone read especially in the middle you do not just take the **** off running without getting any hint of the football. The players on the edge play a responsibility throughout but on the middle you have to verify, then attack. If you don't you get 80 yard plays from the QB spot ran on you.
Moreover, the safety played that bad. But again if Notre dame was doing what you state...and the safety was solely responsible for the QB then that means we are automatically conceding a 10 yard gain on that play.
But you see even the worst coaching in the world does not want to concede anything in that situation let alone a 10 plus yard gain all the way to the point the safety could break out of his back pedal, come to meet him.

Who in the **** would ever coach that? Hey inside linebackers....ignore the football....just take off running after a running back ....all without knowing mind you if he has the ball or not.....and if the qb keeps it no problem we will give up 10 yards minimum and our safety will get him.

And I love how you still keep ignoring the fact that Brian Kelly has the most turnovers in the red zone of any program in the nation. It's a staple of his. Not just a fluke this year thing. No. Every year we give the ball away down there. Amazing.

But hey.....it must always be on those players as he just puts them in the best scenario to succeed.

Not going to address any more of that gibberish from you.

Fast flow is why we left the middle of the field WIDE open. Hilarious.

you continue to prove me right with each and every post. wow, are you uninformed.