Committe's explanation

[Fifthhorseman25]

Q: On Notre Dame dropping from fourth to sixth.
Long: "The Boston College game didn’t add a lot to their resume but it was more about the performance of Oklahoma and Michigan State against [ranked] teams that propelled them ahead of Notre Dame. I think that combination of them not playing well the last couple of weeks combined with the [quality of wins of Oklahoma and Michigan State]."

 

[perseverare]

if tOSU gets beat by UM
then MSU's resume is it beat two 2 loss teams? (both on the final play of the game!)

If ND beats Stanford with conviction, ND should rejump!

 

[Toby Smart]

I find the explanation more than reasonable and anyone with fair expectations knew this was coming. The good part is there is still football to be played. This is getting to be fun.

 

[BigFellaFan]

This is clearly anti- Notre Dame rhetoric in full force. Blame Obama!

Trump saw 10,000 Muslims cheering ND's fall in Jersey City last night!

 

[Toby Smart]

I know you jest but the Irish have replacements replacing replacements and they are still 10-1. Just to be in consideration is more than any of us expected after MZ went down. I'm proud of them and the staff.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Kizer throwing picks, alligator arm wide receiver and totem pole stiff upright running backs getting stripped time after time was why this is not a top 4 team - one last chance to clean it up vs. Stanford. Go Irish.

 

[Win5002]

if tOSU gets beat by UM
then MSU's resume is it beat two 2 loss teams? (both on the final play of the game!)

If ND beats Stanford with conviction, ND should rejump!

Sure, in your world where wins over 1 loss Navy and 1 loss Temple are better than 2 loss Michigan & 2 loss OSU. 1 loss G5 wins heading your resume will not get you in. MSU/IA will follow it up the next week with a win over an undefeated or 1 loss P5 team as well.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

if tOSU gets beat by UM
then MSU's resume is it beat two 2 loss teams? (both on the final play of the game!)

If ND beats Stanford with conviction, ND should rejump!

Perse in that hypothetical you are saying ND should rejump MSU because they beat a 3 loss time because MSU's best two wins were over 2 loss teams?

 

[IrishBlooded]

Not sure what the terrible surprise is.

Things that ND had going for it
winning, which is great. But ND isn't the only team winning. MSU won a huge game this week. And realistically stat wise, has one of the best resumes in the country. Including wins over @ Oregon, Michigan, and @ Ohio State.. Oklahoma also had a great win this weekend. Even though it was a close battle. That is what you expect at this time of the year.

The committee has said that injuries and 'eye test' will play a part in the rankings. And I think that the injuries are finally showing up on the eye test. Face it, ND is a MASH unit right now. And it isn't 1 or 2 week injuries. It is season enders. Yes ND played a good schedule to this point. But they lost a lot of guys doing it. And the ND that takes the field against @ Stanford isn't a deep or as skilled as the one that took the field @ Clemson.

All ND can do is play their schedule. That's it.

 

[perseverare]

Sal

ND must be very impressive in beating Stanford. I think that is what the committee is divided over.
Clearly the committee is undecided over B10 teams. Iowa will NOT be in the playoffs.

ND needs to focus on these things vs Stanford:
Play Hogan's passing threat as teams addressed Rees. He is 20 and in to be effective.
Take The TE away from Hogan.
Stanford will attack Schmidt; He will need help or get Grace in early.
In the first series, everytime McCaffery gets the ball defenders need to go at the ball; hitting it, jabbing at it, even at the whistle, just get him concerned that he has to be wary of ball security. Get in his head, and it will cost him a step!

Offensively - big plays will be successful. Make Stanford play in space.

If ND limits SU to 20 points and gets 40+ then they will get the committee's attention.

 

[echowaker]

Sure, in your world where wins over 1 loss Navy and 1 loss Temple are better than 2 loss Michigan & 2 loss OSU. 1 loss G5 wins heading your resume will not get you in. MSU/IA will follow it up the next week with a win over an undefeated or 1 loss P5 team as well.

yeah, keep hanging your hat on those wins over teams no better than navy or temple. . iowa gets exposed soon.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Sure, in your world where wins over 1 loss Navy and 1 loss Temple are better than 2 loss Michigan & 2 loss OSU. 1 loss G5 wins heading your resume will not get you in. MSU/IA will follow it up the next week with a win over an undefeated or 1 loss P5 team as well.

This is a ridiculous post considering both Navy and Temple are top 25 teams. It's incredible to me that some people just look at the name on the front of the jersey to make stupid statements. It further pisses me off when any one disparages our kids from the academies.

 

[Phaeded]

This is a ridiculous post considering both Navy and Temple are top 25 teams. It's incredible to me that some people just look at the name on the front of the jersey to make stupid statements. It further pisses me off when any one disparages our kids from the academies.

Please tell me you didn't just wrap your outrage in Old Glory. Anchors away on the face palm....

 

[perseverare]

gonna be a busy day on the inore button!

 

[beachcardinal]

But the committee was good and right when they ranked ND within the top four right? What happened to those wise people?

There is no conspiracy here. The committee uses the eye test. I personally don't like it but that's the way it is. ND didn't look good the last two games and it dropped. If it looks good against Stanford it may gain. You guys are applying standards the committee has never claimed and then complaining that they didn't apply them right. It will always be hard on ND because the last image in the committee's mind will be the championship game. If ND compounds this by playing poorly near the end of the season it will be left out. Need a very impressive win over Stanford and hope for an uninspiring championship weekend.

 

[IrishInOntario]

This isn't all that surprising. Fact is that no matter how many times Brian Kelly tells us that "winning is hard at this level", the committee cares about style points. They're watching the games featuring the teams in the playoff race and you can't look bad at this time of the year. Especially in back-to-back games vs terrible teams... In the playoff system, getting better week-to-week and soundly beating inferior opponents late in the year is clearly going to matter.

 

[FLballcoach1]

If the method of victory is going to be evaluated, then we should add some new columns? Last I checked it was still just W & L. I mean do we need to add CW for convincing win, or BL for bad loss? How ridiculous can this get? Brian Kelly is right. It is hard to win games.

If the committee is evaluating "style points" as a means of determining a National Champion then the criteria is bogus and needs to be changed. IMO

 

[echowaker]

This isn't all that surprising. Fact is that no matter how many times Brian Kelly tells us that "winning is hard at this level", the committee cares about style points. They're watching the games featuring the teams in the playoff race and you can't look bad at this time of the year. Especially in back-to-back games vs terrible teams... In the playoff system, getting better week-to-week and soundly beating inferior opponents late in the year is clearly going to matter.

do you think oklahoma garnered any "style points " on saturday ? had patterson not had a brain fart i think they lose for certain in OT.

 

[echowaker]

If the method of victory is going to be evaluated, then we should add some new columns? Last I checked it was still just W & L. I mean do we need to add CW for convincing win, or BL for bad loss? How ridiculous can this get? Brian Kelly is right. It is hard to win games.

If the committee is evaluating "style points" as a means of determining a National Champion then the criteria is bogus and needs to be changed. IMO

couldn't agree more.

 

[kellys heroes 35]

This isn't all that surprising. Fact is that no matter how many times Brian Kelly tells us that "winning is hard at this level", the committee cares about style points. They're watching the games featuring the teams in the playoff race and you can't look bad at this time of the year. Especially in back-to-back games vs terrible teams... In the playoff system, getting better week-to-week and soundly beating inferior opponents late in the year is clearly going to matter.

So ND should not get a shot at a national championship because Will Fuller dropped a TD pass and Kizer threw a pick in a game ND won ? ND left 21 pts on the field vs the best defense in college football and ND won anyway -- got it -- good system for choosing playoff teams .

RE WF Clemson beat them by 20 ND beat them by 21
ND will not be going to the playoffs because they fumbled on the goal line in a win -- this is so pathetic

Lets take away titles in golf if the winner doesnt get a birdie on the last hole -- sounds fair

BTW ND had the ball w 2 minutes left at midfield up 21 vs Wake -- are people saying we should have thrown the ball to humiliate WF in order to get style points -- system is pathetic -- 8 team playoff please

If there is a God OK ST trashes Okla

 

[beachcardinal]

If the method of victory is going to be evaluated, then we should add some new columns? Last I checked it was still just W & L. I mean do we need to add CW for convincing win, or BL for bad loss? How ridiculous can this get? Brian Kelly is right. It is hard to win games.

If the committee is evaluating "style points" as a means of determining a National Champion then the criteria is bogus and needs to be changed. IMO

Not sure you want that. Most conference teams will have an extra game. If you just want wins and losses counted you will be down one.

 

[echowaker]

So ND should not get a shot at a national championship because Will Fuller dropped a TD pass and Kizer threw a pick in a game ND won ? ND left 21 pts on the field vs the best defense in college football and ND won anyway -- got it -- good system for choosing playoff teams .

RE WF Clemson beat them by 20 ND beat them by 21
ND will not be going to the playoffs because they fumbled on the goal line in a win -- this is so pathetic

Lets take away titles in golf if the winner doesnt get a birdie on the last hole -- sounds fair

BTW ND had the ball w 2 minutes left at midfield up 21 vs Wake -- are people saying we should have thrown the ball to humiliate WF in order to get style points -- system is pathetic -- 8 team playoff please

If there is a God OK ST trashes Okla

it's how the team performs. they've been sloppy the last two games and it's caught up with them. not hard to figure. still games left to play. if they don't start performing better they won't beat stanford or whoever they play after that.

 

[echowaker]

Not sure you want that. Most conference teams will have an extra game. If you just want wins and losses counted you will be down one.

i'd like to see a computer poll like we have in ohio. points awarded for victories and secondary points for opponents victories. beat a team from a lower division, get less points.

 

[irish6789]

Please tell me you didn't just wrap your outrage in Old Glory. Anchors away on the face palm....

I think that's the real face palm in this thread. You might want to learn the phrase before you use it in an attempt to put down another poster.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

If the method of victory is going to be evaluated, then we should add some new columns? Last I checked it was still just W & L. I mean do we need to add CW for convincing win, or BL for bad loss? How ridiculous can this get? Brian Kelly is right. It is hard to win games.

If the committee is evaluating "style points" as a means of determining a National Champion then the criteria is bogus and needs to be changed. IMO

Isn't that what everyone does in creating rankings? The BCS wasn't ideal to some because the computers didn't evaluate the difference between nature of some W's and L's, i.e. not all losses are equal. Where is the balance? Not suggesting you have the answers or that there even is a good answer to that problem...

 

[DillonDomer]

What have you done for me lately...

This is the strategy with the committee. While everyone has been talking down about the Big12, this could end up working to their advantage - everyone plays door stops all season, rack up wins, and then we just play each other the last few weeks so no one really knows how good we are.

If ND loses this week, it is a moot point. I still think if we win, particularly if it is somewhat of a comfortable win, we are in. The committee will see this and there will be some carnage above us.

 

[IrishInOntario]

Echo,

What I think is irrelavent. The fact is that the committee viewed Oklahoma's 1 point in over a ranked team, despite being as banged up as TCU is, over ND's 3 point win against a bad team.

Brian Kelly routinely says "November is for contenders" and in turn, it reveals pretenders.. Back-to-back weeks ND has dropped passes, has had average QB play and now injuries are starting to mount. Oklahoma best Baylor impressively, and managed to beat a ranked (but overrated) TCU team, despite Mayfield leaving the game.

ND got jumped for 2 reasons...

1. Although they have wins vs 2 ranked opponents (Navy and Temple), USC shitting the bed is hurting us. That was supposed to be a quality win, as was Georgia Tech, before they decided to suck.

2. ND has looked very average over the past 2 weeks, playing against 2 of the worst teams on their schedule. This is the time of year that teams should running like a well oiled machine primed for the playoffs and ND appears to be sputtering.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Echo,

What I think is irrelavent. The fact is that the committee viewed Oklahoma's 1 point in over a ranked team, despite being as banged up as TCU is, over ND's 3 point win against a bad team.

Brian Kelly routinely says "November is for contenders" and in turn, it reveals pretenders.. Back-to-back weeks ND has dropped passes, has had average QB play and now injuries are starting to mount. Oklahoma best Baylor impressively, and managed to beat a ranked (but overrated) TCU team, despite Mayfield leaving the game.

ND got jumped for 2 reasons...

1. Although they have wins vs 2 ranked opponents (Navy and Temple), USC shitting the bed is hurting us. That was supposed to be a quality win, as was Georgia Tech, before they decided to suck.

2. ND has looked very average over the past 2 weeks, playing against 2 of the worst teams on their schedule. This is the time of year that teams should running like a well oiled machine primed for the playoffs and ND appears to be sputtering.

Right on Point again IIO - too many emotional types running around - ND has simple looked bad the past two games and is paying the price for it.

 

[Win5002]

What have you done for me lately...

This is the strategy with the committee. While everyone has been talking down about the Big12, this could end up working to their advantage - everyone plays door stops all season, rack up wins, and then we just play each other the last few weeks so no one really knows how good we are.

If ND loses this week, it is a moot point. I still think if we win, particularly if it is somewhat of a comfortable win, we are in. The committee will see this and there will be some carnage above us.

Remember this playoff just started, and seasons are set in advance. In the upcoming years
TCU has Arkansas the next 2 years and then Ohio St. the next two after that(they have not been P5 that long to be able to get home and home series. )
KSU has Stanford starting next year
Oklahoma St is playing Pitt next year
Baylor is taking longer and gets Duke in 2017
Texas Tech had Arkansas this year who they beat and Arizona St. next year.

Last year Ok St. played FSU and KSU played Auburn. I don't know for sure but I wonder if some games were backed out of that created holes on the the schedule.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Baylor has a game with Northwestern next year.

 

[hayaka]

Sal

ND must be very impressive in beating Stanford. I think that is what the committee is divided over.
Clearly the committee is undecided over B10 teams. Iowa will NOT be in the playoffs.

If ND limits SU to 20 points and gets 40+ then they will get the committee's attention.

Notre Dame may win, but realistically there isn't much chance of a blowout. Over the last six years, Stanford is 36-4 at home (3-0 against Notre Dame), and of the 4 losses, three were by three points or less. So a major beatdown (by either team) really isn't in the cards (ha ha, no pun intended).

Here is to a great game, between two fine schools.

 

[ftnfan62]

I think most expected MSU to get into the top 4 with a win at OSU. I think ND dominating BC on all but the scoreboard was pretty obvious if you watched the game. I think OK winning because the TCU QB lobs a ball too flat was not a convincing win. I think Iowa jumping ND playing no one all season is what most are concerned with and that OK lost to TX. So I could see MSU jumping ND into 3rd...whats hard to explain is Iowa jumping ND and OK losing to TX, getting lucky on the last play of the game jumping......I don't think the committee actually watch ND-BC...they just saw the score.

 

[irish6789]

You really count that game against Michigan game as a win?

It does seem to slip right by a lot of the MSU discussions lately. It was every bit as absurd as Colorado's 5th down win, IMO. If ND won a game like that, it would be referenced as equivalent to a loss in these discussions by touters of the MIghty Spartans.

 

[mbd11]

Q: On Notre Dame dropping from fourth to sixth.
Long: "The Boston College game didn’t add a lot to their resume but it was more about the performance of Oklahoma and Michigan State against [ranked] teams that propelled them ahead of Notre Dame. I think that combination of them not playing well the last couple of weeks combined with the [quality of wins of Oklahoma and Michigan State]."

Oklahoma has 2 top 25 wins - the same as us. I'll give them that one of theirs is a top 10 win (Baylor). But we have the common opponent comparison with Texas. It's really very close overall, but since they lost a game to a mediocre team, I'd give us the edge, personally.

 

[irish6789]

Oklahoma has 2 top 25 wins - the same as us. I'll give them that one of theirs is a top 10 win (Baylor). But we have the common opponent comparison with Texas. It's really very close overall, but since they lost a game to a mediocre team, I'd give us the edge, personally.

Not to mention Baylor had to start a backup true frosh at QB, and TCU, without their 2 best players including the QB, had OT if they wanted it @ Oklahoma. Heck, TCU's backup was so bad they had to bench him and go the 3rd stringer after 3 INTs.

 

[Win5002]

Baylor has a game with Northwestern next year.

Unfortunately, different school. It is Northwestern St.

 

[perseverare]

Oklahoma has 2 top 25 wins - the same as us. I'll give them that one of theirs is a top 10 win (Baylor). But we have the common opponent comparison with Texas. It's really very close overall, but since they lost a game to a mediocre team, I'd give us the edge, personally.

beat Stanford like a rug! make the committee see it thatvway too!
( cannot think the committee wants either MSU or Iowa in the final 4; they are both flawed teams)

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Unfortunately, different school. It is Northwestern St.

I stand corrected

 

[IrishBlooded]

You really count that game against Michigan game as a win?

The record books do.

Does Nebraska really count that win over MSU? That one was 10x worse.

 

[Kelso86]

This is ND biggest weakness under Kelly --

"If we have a weakness, when we feel the game is in our hands, we let up a little bit," said Kelly at weekly meeting with the media this Tuesday. "That's unfortunate, but it's a little bit of who we are. And I'd like to have a little bit more of a killer instinct as a football coach. - See more at: https://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1830320#sthash.by6Ydy7S.dpuf