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Love it!!
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Classic Lou.....
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1990 and 1993 were the exact same scenario and we got shafted in both instances.
ND and Miami both finish the season with identical records in 90, they award NC to winner of reg season head-to-head matchup, which was Miami.
Precedent was set, so in 93 ND and FSU finish with identical records. Do they give the NC to the winner of the reg season head-to-head?? Hell no!! They gift one to Bobby Bowden. Biggest sham title in history.
ND and Miami both finish the season with identical records in 90, they award NC to winner of reg season head-to-head matchup, which was Miami.
Precedent was set, so in 93 ND and FSU finish with identical records. Do they give the NC to the winner of the reg season head-to-head?? Hell no!! They gift one to Bobby Bowden. Biggest sham title in history.
Yep. They felt sorry for Bobby, so they gave him a championship. They were 17pt. favorites to beat Nebraska and would have lost if Nebraska had a decent kicker.
I was actually joking about 1990. We lost three games that year, including the Orange Bowl to Colorado.
As to the "screwings" the other years, I've never felt that way at all. We had a great, great team in 1989 and played a crazy tough schedule, but Miami absolutely crushed us, and there was no way in hell anyone could vote ND number one.
1993 was a closer call, and there was certainly a sentimental effort to get Bowden his career Oscar as it were.
But people forget that FSU played an excellent schedule and effectively lost to us on the last play of the game after we had two weeks to prepare. Yes, I know we dominated from about the midpoint of the first quarter until the last 10 minutes. Problem is, the following week we blew it against an okay BC team that dominated us for 50 minutes. Had we taken care of business, we would have played Nebraska for the championship.
As to the "screwings" the other years, I've never felt that way at all. We had a great, great team in 1989 and played a crazy tough schedule, but Miami absolutely crushed us, and there was no way in hell anyone could vote ND number one.
1993 was a closer call, and there was certainly a sentimental effort to get Bowden his career Oscar as it were.
But people forget that FSU played an excellent schedule and effectively lost to us on the last play of the game after we had two weeks to prepare. Yes, I know we dominated from about the midpoint of the first quarter until the last 10 minutes. Problem is, the following week we blew it against an okay BC team that dominated us for 50 minutes. Had we taken care of business, we would have played Nebraska for the championship.
That's a crock of $h1t. We lost to a team that was ranked in the teens and was as hot as any in the country at the time, riding a 7 game winning streak, had multiple NFLers on it, on the last play of the game w/ a near 50 yard fg, in a textbook letdown situation. I love the people that say "we should've taken care of business". Did FSU take care of business? It was only the "game of the century". I guess the game of the century didn't mean anything at all? Absolute joke. No way, no how should we have not been in the title game against Nebraska. Not only that, but FSU squeaks by and should've lost had it not been for sketchy calls late and a missed last second fg, and we take care of a highly ranked A&M team in the bowl and we don't even get a share? Total crock of $h1t! Anyone watching that game saw who the better team was. I'm not sure how those voters thought FSU deserved to get in ahead of ND. They must've not watched the "game of the century"
Yeah, and FSU lost on the road to #2 ND, which came into that game with a 16-game winning streak and had an extra week to prepare. And BC's winning field goal was closer to 40 yards, by the way.
No doubt, sentimentality played into the final rankings, which allowed FSU to leapfrog us. Holtz's schtick had grown old, and there was a shadow cast by the Tarnished Dome book, while Bowden was still beloved as Mr. "Dadgumit," or whatever he used to say.
I don't know if ND was clearly the better team. They certainly were that day because Holtz decided he would not let Charlie Ward beat us with his legs, so he played zone coverage, with defenders daring Ward to run. I distinctly remember Jeff Burris, who had a bead on Ward, stopping at the line of scrimmage, like a well disciplined guard in a 2-3 zone in basketball. They were obviously trying to contain him. The next week that discipline hurt Burris on one play when he stopped short while pursuing Foley.
At the time, it seemed everyone knew ND had just blown its shot. I remember Kevin MacDougal saying as much in a post-game interview.
I stand corrected on the distance of the fg, it was a 41 yarder, thought it was a 49 yarder. It looked as though it would be wide right and it sliced back inside at the end. At any rate, the whole holtz Schlick grown old & tarnished dome talk is BS. It was a fluke that they were even in the game. A sure late ND INT resulted in a 4th down miracle td for FSU. Look at yards per play, we dominated both lines of scrimmage. Spin it any way you want, we got hosed because the media wanted to give Bowden his lifetime achievement award.
Whatever. No amount of whining is going to change it. We should have intercepted the ball, just as we should have intercepted the pass against BC, or covered the onside kick, or any number of plays.
Over the years, I've seen plenty of lucky breaks go our way.
In a perfect world, we would have shared the NC, but getting voters to split down the middle is tough enough in itself.
Over the years, I've seen plenty of lucky breaks go our way.
In a perfect world, we would have shared the NC, but getting voters to split down the middle is tough enough in itself.
Who's whining? You and another poster said that we didn't get screwed. All I did was say that you were wrong and gave u my reasons. Some fans think that they've gotta be right if they're being critical of their own team. In this case, I think you're wrong, plain and simple.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Notre Dame physically dominated Florida State in 1993. The score got closer at the end because of an onside kick.
Actually, there was no onside kick. FSU scored when a ball bounced off an ND defender and into their receiver's hands. They held us to a three and out and drove down to about the 25 for the last play of the game, a pass that was broken up.
ND dominated the FSU game. Plain and simple. FSU made it interesting at the end thru some shear luck. Final score is not indicative of the way we handled them from start to finish.
And BC was no pushover. I believe they played WVa for the Big East championship the following week. They ultimately lost, I believe, but they weren't a bottom feeder in that conference.
Two teams finish the season with identical records. One has to be voted NC.
By coincidence, these teams played during the regular season. What numbskull would vote for the team that lost the head to head matchup to be National Champ?? It was a hose job.
No one is attempting to argue to change the outcome. But at the same time, no argument will change my mind that this was a hose job of epic proportions.
And BC was no pushover. I believe they played WVa for the Big East championship the following week. They ultimately lost, I believe, but they weren't a bottom feeder in that conference.
Two teams finish the season with identical records. One has to be voted NC.
By coincidence, these teams played during the regular season. What numbskull would vote for the team that lost the head to head matchup to be National Champ?? It was a hose job.
No one is attempting to argue to change the outcome. But at the same time, no argument will change my mind that this was a hose job of epic proportions.
&FSU only got that last heave because of a fake injury sold by the worst actor on their team.
Losing at home to #15-16, is hardly the same as losing on the road to #2. Obviously, Bowden was the sentimental favorite that year, but ND's loss now left voters with a dilemma of FSU or ND. FSU had played a tough enough schedule over the course of the season to carry the day.
It's too bad because we played by far and away our best game of the season against FSU. Everyone assumes a rematch would have been the same. I don't know if it would have been.
The assumption I challenge is that which holds that Notre Dame is always screwed each and every time, and I just don't find the argument very compelling.
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Losing at home to #15 as opposed to losing on the road to #2 would actually be somewhat important had the two teams in the discussion not played each other. They did and both lines of scrimmage were dominated by ND. I'm not sure how anyone that watched that game can say that ND wasn't clearly the better team. Other than the first drive of the game for FSU that ended in a mccorvey TD I think, they did very little the entire game offensively until late in the 4th when the game was in hand and ND took the foot off the pedal. Fluke that it ended up being that close when u look at yards per play, first downs, time of possession, etc. No contest, ND was the better team and they were the better team because they were clearly better on both lines of scrimmage. Becton was running thru holes made for Mack trucks. It was a heist.
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[QUOTE="Bodizephax, post: 2141750, member: 11236",........... The score got closer at the end because of an onside kick.[/QUOTE]
And phony injury.
And phony injury.
