Can you win it all?

[floridairish]

It's the question every real coach asks before any season. The answer lies in looking at the best teams (Alabama & Clemson) and figuring out if you have enough on your roster to play with them

Winter Workouts, Spring Ball, Training Camp, Practice Plans and Strategies are just media, fake coach and message board fodder for groups who know .000001% the amount of football any D1 Head Coach knows, let alone a Coach with Brian Kelly's record.

ND is not and 8 win program because of Brian Kelly. ND is an 8 win program because the administration committed to winning 8 in 1994.
Holtz avg 8 wins his last 3 years
Davie avg 7 wins
Ty avg 7 wins
Charlie avg 7 wins
Kelly avg 8 wins.

CAN YOU SEE A TREND??????????

When ND catches every break in a season ND can win 10 or 12. Ty, Charlie and BK did that

When ND catches ZERO breaks in a season ND can win only 3, 4 or 5 Ty Charlie and BK did that too.

I hate to break the news but ND is totally committed to being an 8 win program.

And if you're blaming the guy standing on the sidelines coaching? It's because you've never stood on the sidelines and coached a thing in your life.

 

[mmboys07]

It's the question every real coach asks before any season. The answer lies in looking at the best teams (Alabama & Clemson) and figuring out if you have enough on your roster to play with them

Winter Workouts, Spring Ball, Training Camp, Practice Plans and Strategies are just media, fake coach and message board fodder for groups who know .000001% the amount of football any D1 Head Coach knows, let alone a Coach with Brian Kelly's record.

ND is not and 8 win program because of Brian Kelly. ND is an 8 win program because the administration committed to winning 8 in 1994.
Holtz avg 8 wins his last 3 years
Davie avg 7 wins
Ty avg 7 wins
Kelly avg 8 wins.

When ND catches every break in a season ND can win 10 or 12. Ty, Charlie and BK did that

When ND catches ZERO breaks in a season ND can win only 3, 4 or 5 Ty Charlie and BK did that too.

I hate to break the news but ND is totally committed to being an 8 win program.

And if you're blaming the guy standing on the sidelines coaching? It's because you've never stood on the sidelines and coached anything in your life.

Are there program advantages at Alabama, permitted by the Alabama administration that are not permitted at ND, and at other very academically focused schools? Yes.
I would love to see if someone like Saban, Meyer and other top coaches could be successful at ND. However, you are wrong. It does not take side line experience to see how sloppy ND plays; how unprepared they are at times; how utterly confused in game decision making is at times. The overall character of a team is the responsibility of the coach, and the past few years ND has been soft, and self-destructive. In short the last line of your post is nonsense.

 

[NDSMC78]

It's the question every real coach asks before any season. The answer lies in looking at the best teams (Alabama & Clemson) and figuring out if you have enough on your roster to play with them

Winter Workouts, Spring Ball, Training Camp, Practice Plans and Strategies are just media, fake coach and message board fodder for groups who know .000001% the amount of football any D1 Head Coach knows, let alone a Coach with Brian Kelly's record.

ND is not and 8 win program because of Brian Kelly. ND is an 8 win program because the administration committed to winning 8 in 1994.
Holtz avg 8 wins his last 3 years
Davie avg 7 wins
Ty avg 7 wins
Charlie avg 7 wins
Kelly avg 8 wins.

CAN YOU SEE A TREND??????????

When ND catches every break in a season ND can win 10 or 12. Ty, Charlie and BK did that

When ND catches ZERO breaks in a season ND can win only 3, 4 or 5 Ty Charlie and BK did that too.

I hate to break the news but ND is totally committed to being an 8 win program.

And if you're blaming the guy standing on the sidelines coaching? It's because you've never stood on the sidelines and coached a thing in your life.

Please. This team lost to Duke, Navy and Stanford this year. Those schools, like ND, have rigorous academic requirements. Sure, ND has some obstacles that other schools do not have. But conversely, ND has a lot of benefits that other schools don't have. Placing the blame on all that other stuff ignores the obvious.

 

[57Patrick]

Apparently Brian Kelly blames guys standing on the sideline and BK has stood on the sideline. How else can you explain the fact that he has almost completely overhauled his coaching staff after a disastrous season? Coaching matters as does talent. Saban lost to LA Monroe at home his first year at AL. I think we would all agree he is a pretty good coach. He didn't have the talent at AL when he got there. He went out and got the talent. ND has academic restrictions. OK!!! That is both a negative and a selling point. You get one of the best educations in America at Notre Dame. BTW, ND administration doesn't want 8 win seasons. They want to win a national championship as much as anyone. They are simply not willing to sell their souls to do it. Celebrate and embrace the uniqueness of ND. And let's go win 14 games next year!!

 

[sshulk]

Interesting post ... in what ways did ND admin commit us to being a mediocre program? Not being facetious genuinely interested in what people think ND is doing or not doing that if changed would make us a better program.

 

[RowTheBoatND]

It's the question every real coach asks before any season. The answer lies in looking at the best teams (Alabama & Clemson) and figuring out if you have enough on your roster to play with them

Winter Workouts, Spring Ball, Training Camp, Practice Plans and Strategies are just media, fake coach and message board fodder for groups who know .000001% the amount of football any D1 Head Coach knows, let alone a Coach with Brian Kelly's record.

ND is not and 8 win program because of Brian Kelly. ND is an 8 win program because the administration committed to winning 8 in 1994.
Holtz avg 8 wins his last 3 years
Davie avg 7 wins
Ty avg 7 wins
Charlie avg 7 wins
Kelly avg 8 wins.

CAN YOU SEE A TREND??????????

When ND catches every break in a season ND can win 10 or 12. Ty, Charlie and BK did that

When ND catches ZERO breaks in a season ND can win only 3, 4 or 5 Ty Charlie and BK did that too.

I hate to break the news but ND is totally committed to being an 8 win program.

And if you're blaming the guy standing on the sidelines coaching? It's because you've never stood on the sidelines and coached a thing in your life.

Utter lies by the flaming OP. I'm in the group that doesn't expect ND to ever compete with the elite of the SEC or ACC. But that doesn't mean they can't compete at a top-15 level still.

Brian Kelly should've won at least 10 games in each season of his first six at ND. Because of horrible game management, bad strategy, or head scratching decisions he's cost the team many wins. Those moments had nothing to do with lack of talent. Good Lord look at all the talent in the NFL right now that he coached......Harrison Smith, Kyle Rudolph, Tyler Eifert, Will Fuller, Michael Floyd, Stephon Tuitt, Aaron Lynch, Manti Te'o, Zach Martin, C.J. Prosise, and Ronnie Stanley.

Games lost because of bad head coaching:
2010- Tulsa, MSU
2011- USF, Michigan, Florida State
2013- Pitt
2014- Florida State, Northwestern
2015- Stanford, Clemson
2016- Duke, Navy, NC State

 

[Java65]

Lou averaged 8 wins playing 11 or 12 games a year. Kelly plays 13 games a year.

Oh by the way Kelly is not a good coach, he's average at best. Stanford has tougher academics and they win 10, 11 or 12 games a year.

 

[deadirishpoet]

It's the question every real coach asks before any season. The answer lies in looking at the best teams (Alabama & Clemson) and figuring out if you have enough on your roster to play with them

Winter Workouts, Spring Ball, Training Camp, Practice Plans and Strategies are just media, fake coach and message board fodder for groups who know .000001% the amount of football any D1 Head Coach knows, let alone a Coach with Brian Kelly's record.

ND is not and 8 win program because of Brian Kelly. ND is an 8 win program because the administration committed to winning 8 in 1994.
Holtz avg 8 wins his last 3 years
Davie avg 7 wins
Ty avg 7 wins
Charlie avg 7 wins
Kelly avg 8 wins.

CAN YOU SEE A TREND??????????

When ND catches every break in a season ND can win 10 or 12. Ty, Charlie and BK did that

When ND catches ZERO breaks in a season ND can win only 3, 4 or 5 Ty Charlie and BK did that too.

I hate to break the news but ND is totally committed to being an 8 win program.

And if you're blaming the guy standing on the sidelines coaching? It's because you've never stood on the sidelines and coached a thing in your life.

Not to long ago (JAN 1st) you posted coach Meyer won because of elite players (solely).
I don't believe that, but let's use the metic you've stated.

You can blame the guy on the side line for not getting those elite players.
Thou coach nobody on the side line at Stanford doesn't have a lot of commitments he does have 3 elite (5 star) commitments, and 3(4star) commitments out of 9

BTW ND caught every brake in 2012 except having to play Bama. Think Pitt, Stanford game for starters

 

[deadirishpoet]

Please. This team lost to Duke, Navy and Stanford this year. Those schools, like ND, have rigorous academic requirements. Sure, ND has some obstacles that other schools do not have. But conversely, ND has a lot of benefits that other schools don't have. Placing the blame on all that other stuff ignores the obvious.

Welcome to the Sawing Circle

 

[deadirishpoet]

Kelly is averaging one more game a season than Weis, Willingham, and Davie

I guess he wasn't that big of an improvement as advertised.

 

[Bodizephax]

It's the question every real coach asks before any season. The answer lies in looking at the best teams (Alabama & Clemson) and figuring out if you have enough on your roster to play with them

Winter Workouts, Spring Ball, Training Camp, Practice Plans and Strategies are just media, fake coach and message board fodder for groups who know .000001% the amount of football any D1 Head Coach knows, let alone a Coach with Brian Kelly's record.

ND is not and 8 win program because of Brian Kelly. ND is an 8 win program because the administration committed to winning 8 in 1994.
Holtz avg 8 wins his last 3 years
Davie avg 7 wins
Ty avg 7 wins
Charlie avg 7 wins
Kelly avg 8 wins.

CAN YOU SEE A TREND??????????

When ND catches every break in a season ND can win 10 or 12. Ty, Charlie and BK did that

When ND catches ZERO breaks in a season ND can win only 3, 4 or 5 Ty Charlie and BK did that too.

I hate to break the news but ND is totally committed to being an 8 win program.

And if you're blaming the guy standing on the sidelines coaching? It's because you've never stood on the sidelines and coached a thing in your life.

Listen up Laundry boy !!! Kelly should have fired BVG after the 2014 debacle !! If he did and got a good dc the Irish would have been in the playoffs in 2015 !! Kelly was lucky he was not fired this year !! Notre Dame does just fine in recruiting and will start averaging ten wins a season once the coaching improves !! You may know a lot about doing laundry like not mixing whites with the colors or when to put in the fabric softener but you don't know squat about football !! The Irish will rise !! 12 and 0 in 17 !!

 

[Jalex1227]

Lou averaged 8 wins playing 11 or 12 games a year. Kelly plays 13 games a year.

Oh by the way Kelly is not a good coach, he's average at best. Stanford has tougher academics and they win 10, 11 or 12 games a year.

Stanford may have slightly tougher admission standards, but once a football player is admitted does Stanford demand the same academic course load and performance as ND? I don't know for sure, but I seriously doubt it. They do have fifth year undergrads on the Stanford football team, don't they?

The required course load for football players at ND is ridiculous. I think it is the one academic piece that needs to change. I believe it has a significant negative impact on the team and many (not all) of the student athletes. And changing it does not have to diminish overall academic standards at all.

Let them take a smaller course load during the season. So they are at least finishing their degree in four years instead of 3 1/2.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Stanford may have slightly tougher admission standards, but once a football player is admitted does Stanford demand the same academic course load and performance as ND? I don't know for sure, but I seriously doubt it. They do have fifth year undergrads on the Stanford football team, don't they?

The required course load for football players at ND is ridiculous. I think it is the one academic piece that needs to change. I believe it has a significant negative impact on the team and many (not all) of the student athletes. And changing it does not have to diminish overall academic standards at all.

Let them take a smaller course load during the season. So they are at least finishing their degree in four years instead of 3 1/2.

So do you believe that's the reason Stanford has 3 (5)star, 3 (4)star out of the 9 commitments they recieved?

 

[Jalex1227]

So do you believe that's the reason Stanford has 3 (5)star, 3 (4)star out of the 9 commitments they recieved?

Do I believe what is the reason? A recruiting year with three five star recruits at Stanford is an anomaly to say the least.

We consistently out-recruit Stanford. What happens once the athletes get on campus is the big difference. Player development and scheme are only part of the equation. Roster attrition is a huge issue at ND, both the good kind and the bad.

 

[francade]

The posts about how no one knows football except the op who boasts about a coach who went 4-8 against the most manageable ND schedule in my memory are getting old. Stfu already. Give it a rest. We know you love kelly, that doesn't mean he's a good coach. 4-8 suggests the exact opposite. At what point are the rest of us that don't know anything about football allowed to say he sucks? If he stumbles his way to another season filled w/ dumbass play calling, delay penalties after timeouts or on first plays of games, going for two when an infant can figure out that it would be stupid to do so, losing to teams that have no business being on the same field as us, throwing players under the bus, looking for other jobs? Any of this ring a bell?

 

[Java65]

Stanford may have slightly tougher admission standards, but once a football player is admitted does Stanford demand the same academic course load and performance as ND? I don't know for sure, but I seriously doubt it. They do have fifth year undergrads on the Stanford football team, don't they?

The required course load for football players at ND is ridiculous. I think it is the one academic piece that needs to change. I believe it has a significant negative impact on the team and many (not all) of the student athletes. And changing it does not have to diminish overall academic standards at all.

Let them take a smaller course load during the season. So they are at least finishing their degree in four years instead of 3 1/2.

ummm... Stanford is as tough or tougher academically in every respect. If you don't think the academic workload at Stanford is every bit as rigorous as ND then you have to just be looking for excuses for Kelly.

As I've said, ND is never going to be a consistent NC contender but they certainly can, and should, win 10 games most years.

 

[57Patrick]

Francade - "Any of this ring a bell?" according to Clarence - All I can say is a lot of angels are getting their wings.

 

[NDEwing18]

It's the question every real coach asks before any season. The answer lies in looking at the best teams (Alabama & Clemson) and figuring out if you have enough on your roster to play with them

Winter Workouts, Spring Ball, Training Camp, Practice Plans and Strategies are just media, fake coach and message board fodder for groups who know .000001% the amount of football any D1 Head Coach knows, let alone a Coach with Brian Kelly's record.

ND is not and 8 win program because of Brian Kelly. ND is an 8 win program because the administration committed to winning 8 in 1994.
Holtz avg 8 wins his last 3 years
Davie avg 7 wins
Ty avg 7 wins
Charlie avg 7 wins
Kelly avg 8 wins.

CAN YOU SEE A TREND??????????

When ND catches every break in a season ND can win 10 or 12. Ty, Charlie and BK did that

When ND catches ZERO breaks in a season ND can win only 3, 4 or 5 Ty Charlie and BK did that too.

I hate to break the news but ND is totally committed to being an 8 win program.

And if you're blaming the guy standing on the sidelines coaching? It's because you've never stood on the sidelines and coached a thing in your life.

So by your own admission, Kelly is essentially no better than Davie, Ty, or Weis?

How did those aforementioned three head coaching gigs?

 

[Jalex1227]

ummm... Stanford is as tough or tougher academically in every respect. If you don't think the academic workload at Stanford is every bit as rigorous as ND then you have to just be looking for excuses for Kelly.

As I've said, ND is never going to be a consistent NC contender but they certainly can, and should, win 10 games most years.

You are incorrect. I wasn't sure so I did a little research. I was originally talking about volume but actually the required GPA standards are lower as well. And as I stated above Stanford allows undergrad fifth year players. All of this relates to a greater toll on ND's student athletes compared to Stanford. In addition it has a big impact on roster attrition (fifth year transfer eligibility, earning a degree and forgoing fourth year for NFL or other options, academic ineligibility, and I'm thinking that some undergrad transfers are simply a result of not being able to keep up with the academic requirements while playing football).

I'm not suggesting this is the only problem with the program. I am suggesting it is an often overlooked issue that is far more significant than people realize.

https://undergrad.stanford.edu/advi...hletes/ncaa-academic-eligibility-requirements

http://www3.nd.edu/~ncaacomp/academics.shtml

 

[deadirishpoet]

So by your own admission, Kelly is essentially no better than Davie, Ty, or Weis?

How did those aforementioned three head coaching gigs?

Welcome to the Sewing Circle.

 

[NDEwing18]

Welcome to the Sewing Circle.

I'm probably a charter member.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Do I believe what is the reason? A recruiting year with three five star recruits at Stanford is an anomaly to say the least.

We consistently out-recruit Stanford. What happens once the athletes get on campus is the big difference. Player development and scheme are only part of the equation. Roster attrition is a huge issue at ND, both the good kind and the bad.

Maybe coach Shaw is turning that idea around which could hurt ND recruiting in the future. Though Stanford recruits nation wide it wasn't a football force as it is now that I can remember. Yes there were good years, I think coach Shaw wants to change the perception, and challenging for the PAC championship 3 times in 6 seasons i believe has helped up their image as a true conteder.

Not to mention the landscape of Palo Alto isn't that bad either.

Now I'm not suggesting ND should join a conference. ND needs to win to help it's recruiting the elite players, but it seem if you are an elite and want the challenges of rigorous academics to achevie success after football Stanford is doing now what ND use to.

 

[deadirishpoet]

I'm probably a charter member.

LMAO
Stand inline I'm the one who seems to get singled out

 

[twalsh]

ummm... Stanford is as tough or tougher academically in every respect. If you don't think the academic workload at Stanford is every bit as rigorous as ND then you have to just be looking for excuses for Kelly.

I am not making excuses for Kelly, but Stanford does have some "special" academic treatment for student/athletes during their academic career that ND doesn't have. It has been discussed on this board many times in the past. As far as admittance you are correct, Stanford is every bit as rigorous, probably even more so.

 

[francade]

Patrick, one of my families' and my favorite movies. "Zuzu's pedals. There they are, Burt."

 

[IrishBlessings]

The posts about how no one knows football except the op who boasts about a coach who went 4-8 against the most manageable ND schedule in my memory are getting old. Stfu already. Give it a rest. We know you love kelly, that doesn't mean he's a good coach. 4-8 suggests the exact opposite. At what point are the rest of us that don't know anything about football allowed to say he sucks? If he stumbles his way to another season filled w/ dumbass play calling, delay penalties after timeouts or on first plays of games, going for two when an infant can figure out that it would be stupid to do so, losing to teams that have no business being on the same field as us, throwing players under the bus, looking for other jobs? Any of this ring a bell?

Most spot on post I've seen in a good while. Thank you for seeing the light and stating the truth. BK is good enough to get 8 wins this next season - and Jack will still keep him due to the burden of the 6 year extension. ND has no chance for top 10 success until they get a new coach.

 

[twalsh]

Most spot on post I've seen in a good while. Thank you for seeing the light and stating the truth. BK is good enough to get 8 wins this next season - and Jack will still keep him due to the burden of the 6 year extension. ND has no chance for top 10 success until they get a new coach.

What is the buyout scenario in Kelly's contract???

 

[echowaker]

Most spot on post I've seen in a good while. Thank you for seeing the light and stating the truth. BK is good enough to get 8 wins this next season - and Jack will still keep him due to the burden of the 6 year extension. ND has no chance for top 10 success until they get a new coach.

They can certainly win 10 or better next year. They won 10 in 2015 with a boat load of injuries. Now don't t get me wrong, the program had a horrible 2016 from top to bottom and that's on Kelly. He s the head guy. He gets paid the most and he gets the bulk of the blame. I do believe he's done enough in his time at Notre dame to deserve an opportunity to right the ship. I believe the moves made since the end of the season are positive ones. None of us can undo the past. I for one am excited for the upcoming season.

 

[RowTheBoatND]

They can certainly win 10 or better next year. They won 10 in 2015 with a boat load of injuries. Now don't t get me wrong, the program had a horrible 2016 from top to bottom and that's on Kelly. He s the head guy. He gets paid the most and he gets the bulk of the blame. I do believe he's done enough in his time at Notre dame to deserve an opportunity to right the ship. I believe the moves made since the end of the season are positive ones. None of us can undo the past. I for one am excited for the upcoming season.

The injury excuse for 2015 is a pile of garbage. That's not the reason they lost to Stanford or Clemson. None of the injuries were season derailing. No Irish team has been deeper depth wise. That's the summer there were 92 guys on scholarship. The excuses have to stop before a team can get better.

 

[echowaker]

The injury excuse for 2015 is a pile of garbage. That's not the reason they lost to Stanford or Clemson. None of the injuries were season derailing. No Irish team has been deeper depth wise. That's the summer there were 92 guys on scholarship. The excuses have to stop before a team can get better.

Who said that's why they lost those games ? Comprehension not your strong suit ?

 

[deadirishpoet]

......... I do believe he's done enough in his time at Notre dame to deserve an opportunity to right the ship...........

Would that includes putting feelers out for other opportunities, or is that a separate matter?

 

[Zorich 88]

It's the question every real coach asks before any season. The answer lies in looking at the best teams (Alabama & Clemson) and figuring out if you have enough on your roster to play with them

Winter Workouts, Spring Ball, Training Camp, Practice Plans and Strategies are just media, fake coach and message board fodder for groups who know .000001% the amount of football any D1 Head Coach knows, let alone a Coach with Brian Kelly's record.

ND is not and 8 win program because of Brian Kelly. ND is an 8 win program because the administration committed to winning 8 in 1994.
Holtz avg 8 wins his last 3 years
Davie avg 7 wins
Ty avg 7 wins
Charlie avg 7 wins
Kelly avg 8 wins.

CAN YOU SEE A TREND??????????

When ND catches every break in a season ND can win 10 or 12. Ty, Charlie and BK did that

When ND catches ZERO breaks in a season ND can win only 3, 4 or 5 Ty Charlie and BK did that too.

I hate to break the news but ND is totally committed to being an 8 win program.

And if you're blaming the guy standing on the sidelines coaching? It's because you've never stood on the sidelines and coached a thing in your life.

I respectfully disagree with just about everything you said.

Brian Kelly has been on the sidelines of Norte Dame longer than Ty, Davie and Charlie. Kelly was given what those coaches were never given and that is time. Kelly has coached 7 full seasons at ND. Whatever the record is at the end of the season, it is all on Kelly. The university has given Kelly full rein of the football program. They have backed him and supported him in every area.

Never compare this poor excuse of a coach to a championship coach like Lue.

 

[IrishBlessings]

They can certainly win 10 or better next year. They won 10 in 2015 with a boat load of injuries. Now don't t get me wrong, the program had a horrible 2016 from top to bottom and that's on Kelly. He s the head guy. He gets paid the most and he gets the bulk of the blame. I do believe he's done enough in his time at Notre dame to deserve an opportunity to right the ship. I believe the moves made since the end of the season are positive ones. None of us can undo the past. I for one am excited for the upcoming season.

Echo - agree w/ some - but disagree w/ most of what you say and we can agree to disagree - I don't doubt they may be able to win 10 games since he has done it twice in 7 years - But, what I said they will need a new coach to get them in the "top 10" which usually requires 11 wins or more plus a big bowl win to cement a top 10 finish. In 7 years BK has yet to win a "Jan 1 " type big time bowl win. His two big bowl games ended in games where the Irish were not competitive and not prepared (the Ohio St score was actually closer than it could of been - (Ohio St physically kicked ND's ass that day). For ND's Admin and Jack's sake they are very glad that a lot fans are still all in on ND - its good for their TV ratings and will keep the Stadium sold out. BK has made as many or more game day coaching gaffe's as any of his 3 predeccesors (Bob, Ty and CW). I used to think he was a better overall coach than those 3 - now I am not so sure.

The only reason he was not fired was because of the 6 year extension. And because the extension is so new or early into it - he will stay on for another season after this one if he can win at least 8 or more.

So enjoy the 8 or 9 win season of football at ND. Enjoy the occasional loss to a team w/ lesser talent. ( last year it was to at least 6 teams who had lesser talent). But, I wont spend a another $ at ND and will never go to a game as long as BK is their coach and I know you and most others can give a rats ass about what I do.

 

[echowaker]

Would that includes putting feelers out for other opportunities, or is that a separate matter?

That doesn't t bother me at all because that is very commonplace in this business.

 

[echowaker]

Echo - agree w/ some - but disagree w/ most of what you say and we can agree to disagree - I don't doubt they may be able to win 10 games since he has done it twice in 7 years - But, what I said they will need a new coach to get them in the "top 10" which usually requires 11 wins or more plus a big bowl win to cement a top 10 finish. In 7 years BK has yet to win a "Jan 1 " type big time bowl win. His two big bowl games ended in games where the Irish were not competitive and not prepared (the Ohio St score was actually closer than it could of been - (Ohio St physically kicked ND's ass that day). For ND's Admin and Jack's sake they are very glad that a lot fans are still all in on ND - its good for their TV ratings and will keep the Stadium sold out. BK has made as many or more game day coaching gaffe's as any of his 3 predeccesors (Bob, Ty and CW). I used to think he was a better overall coach than those 3 - now I am not so sure.

The only reason he was not fired was because of the 6 year extension. And because the extension is so new or early into it - he will stay on for another season after this one if he can win at least 8 or more.

So enjoy the 8 or 9 win season of football at ND. Enjoy the occasional loss to a team w/ lesser talent. ( last year it was to at least 6 teams who had lesser talent). But, I wont spend a another $ at ND and will never go to a game as long as BK is their coach and I know you and most others can give a rats ass about what I do.

I truly believe the playoff system has rendered all other bowl games meaningless as far as the significance of winning said games. That said the beatings by Ohio st and bama did not surprise me as both those teams had significantly more talent and better coaches.again I believe kelly has earned a chance to fix it. They are one season removed from 10 wins. Lay another egg next year and its adios.

 

[IrishBlessings]

I truly believe the playoff system has rendered all other bowl games meaningless as far as the significance of winning said games. That said the beati gs by Ohio st and bama did not surprise me as both those teams had significantly more talent and better coaches.again I believe has earned a chance to fix it. They are one season removed from 10 wins. Lay another egg next year and its adios.

Fair enough - but I do disagree about a news day type bowl game vs. any team ranked numbered 5 through 8 - as those teams are teams that have dam good records and a bowl win vs a team like that is great for recruiting - not to mention it builds great momentum for the next season. The lesser bowls - yes - who cares.

 

[IrishBlessings]

Mew

Fair enough - but I do disagree about a news day type bowl game vs. any team ranked numbered 5 through 8 - as those teams are teams that have dam good records and a bowl win vs a team like that is great for recruiting - not to mention it builds great momentum for the next season. The lesser bowls - yes - who cares.

"New Years day type bowl"

 

[deadirishpoet]

That doesn't t bother me at all because that is very commonplace in this business.

So you recruit the elite of the elite and when they ask you are you going to be there during my 4 years........ what do you say to that? No because it's common for me to put feelers out for other jobs?

 

[twalsh]

The lesser bowls - yes - who cares.

I think the kids you are recruiting do care. Nice to have the last football recollection between the last game and signing day be a win. It can keep the enthusiasm up.

 

[echowaker]

So you recruit the elite of the elite and when they ask you are you going to be there during my 4 years........ what do you say to that? No because it's common for me to put feelers out for other jobs?

Coaches move every year and will continue to do so until the rules are changed. What's the difference if a coach leaves on his own or gets fired in that 4 year period ?