At least for one more season????
558 total yards
45 points against an SEC team
I am a fan
558 total yards
45 points against an SEC team
I am a fan
Can we stop all the fire Tommy talk?
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You’re leaving off the two scores he threw for SC! More like 700 yards!
Hes kinda like Buchner. He has big potential but also some head scratching decisions
This exactly… my biggest concern is not only does he call bad plays and play the wrong players but we make some absolutely moronic mental mistakes consistently
At times he looks like a genius
Can’t be a genius and awful back and forth
I don't think he's going to get fired, nor should he be. It kind of pains me to say that, but the offense is just too good. And the playcalling specifically, I don't know if it's masterful, but it's definitely effective, and appears brilliant at times. Since everyone's such a student of his playcalling.....
Depends who’s available. Or you could potentially try to poach a better one that is a QB guru. Everyone is available for the right amount of $$
Tommy does my head in, I lost it on that pick six from the 5 it's clearly a run down but with all that being said a 9 and 4 season for a first year head coach and staff together, I'll take it. We had like 7 wins vs top 25 teams I think. I've always said I'm not gonna judge Freeman till after year 3 and I'll stick to that.
So you say he sucks but you think he’s somehow not responsible for the pick 6? Wow! You are delusional
If he can learn, and get out of his head trying to be the smartest guy in the stadium, I think the sky is the limit for him. I love so much of what he does, if he reigns it in just a bit, I think he could be really great. BIG IF'S though.
If you had ever coached. Hell if you watch enough football you know there are times coaches put players in a bad position. It’s the coaches job to be smart
What HS/College or Pro team did you coach? Of course coaches call bad plays. It doesn’t mean throw the damn ball into coverage, up 7, on 1st and goal, does it? What the hell is wrong with you? You can’t honestly believe that’s not Buchners mistake. You can disagree with the call (and I’d be with you), but to say the INT is on Rees is just dumb.
I don't get this "SEC team" concept.. It's not Georgia or Bama.. Rest of the SEC is average..
Vandy plays in SEC also.. if we play them should we pump our chest we beat SEC team?
South Carolina is slightly above Vandy... Glad we won.. We should beat South carolina 10 out of 10 times
They don't have the kind of players we have..
Oh yes, Fire Tommy.. With a good OC sky is the limit.. Tommy is very average to below average..
When you take in consideration the QB, the score, the clock, the down, and the way ND was running the football. That play call that produced the 100-yard pick 6 the other way, could be considered the worst play call in ND history.
That play call is an OC trying to show the world, how much offense he has in his bag, how smart he thinks is and valuing cute over sound fundamental complimentary football. Not to mention you have a Head Coach on the phones, who did not kill the play before it was sent in. Yes, ND showed great resiliency to bounce back and win the game. But I have to call into questions the judgement of Rees and Freeman. For green lighting and absolute disaster of a play call. Even if the result was a TD, it was still an absolutely horrendous play call. Both Freeman and Rees need to understand situational football and game management. Because both clearly DO NOT.
That play call is an OC trying to show the world, how much offense he has in his bag, how smart he thinks is and valuing cute over sound fundamental complimentary football. Not to mention you have a Head Coach on the phones, who did not kill the play before it was sent in. Yes, ND showed great resiliency to bounce back and win the game. But I have to call into questions the judgement of Rees and Freeman. For green lighting and absolute disaster of a play call. Even if the result was a TD, it was still an absolutely horrendous play call. Both Freeman and Rees need to understand situational football and game management. Because both clearly DO NOT.
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Good game planner and play caller. Like most good play callers when he sees something he likes he can’t help himself … like Seahawks in the super bowl. There are times early in games to be clever and keep defenses guessing and there are times late in the game to be relentless and deliver body blows. At times good offenses are predictable, but being predictable is why the unexpected calls work.
Hasn’t shown much in recruiting or player development.
I’d give him a solid C, maybe B-
He’s nothing special. Neither are the skill players he’s had to work with. His time to take a big leap forward is in the next 2 seasons.
Hasn’t shown much in recruiting or player development.
I’d give him a solid C, maybe B-
He’s nothing special. Neither are the skill players he’s had to work with. His time to take a big leap forward is in the next 2 seasons.
100% agree. That play should never be called in that situation, ever. I like Rees, but I really hope someone sits him down for this one. it was a very self centered call. There is only one possible explanation for going against overwhelming conventional wisdom in that situation. Rees desire to make his name greater then the name of the team. Someone needs to sit him down. Prioritize the team or get out
The first down runs up the middle on 99% of our series is as maddening as it gets. He’s an awful OC. As bad as he was a qb. Been torturing ND football for a decade as a player and coach. How many 2nd and tens or nines or eights does a team have to endure before the OC switches things up on first down? The dude runs it on first the entire game and when you want him to run on first, he calls a pick six to tie the game. He’s awful.
Rees issue was we were so flat to start game including play calling, and giving diggs all early runs
He also got cute a few times like first and goal having a pass play slant over middle into congestion expecting a certain look they didn’t get
He also got cute a few times like first and goal having a pass play slant over middle into congestion expecting a certain look they didn’t get
This is exactly where you and many others don’t get it.
”The right amount of money“
So you just outbid everyone according to you.
And after you do that you would have to restructure your entire compensation package for all of the other coaches.
You don’t have a clue as yo how the real world works.
Having Buchner throw into the end zone for the pick 6 was a brutal call. They were running the ball great. Do I wanna see Rees fired? No.
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The first play of our drive was a pass on 4 of the 6 first half possessions.
This is why coaches can't win. I'm also frustrated with TR, but I personally think he gets cute too often rather than sticking with the run when it's working. They're always going to make someone mad with their playcalling.
Slow down there princess. I’ve been in management all my life and this is exactly how it works. When I poach talent from another company, I don’t have to restructure ANYONE that is already under contract. I can, but I’m definitely not required as you so boldly claim. Now, what I pay the new employee could be used for bargaining in the future by current staff, but that’s about it. YOU don’t have a clue what you’re talking about
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Not sure what you’re talking about, juniper. The vast majority of first down calls were runs up the middle. And the first down play actions were all successful except the one he shouldn’t have called late in the game that turned a sure fire win into a nail biter. For every pass on first were 10 runs up the middle. Calling good plays some of the time anyone can do. Calling good plays most of the time is something rees lacks.
I'm not in the fire Tommy camp nor he can stay 100%. I'm mixed and not knowledgeable enough to be so decisive on this.
But I am certain Tommy is learning on the job and liability in key moments against good teams. Freeman has some risk here and needs to reign in and mentor him up at the minimum.
I am not sold on Tommy anymore. But maybe he can grow into this without costing ND so much?
But I am certain Tommy is learning on the job and liability in key moments against good teams. Freeman has some risk here and needs to reign in and mentor him up at the minimum.
I am not sold on Tommy anymore. But maybe he can grow into this without costing ND so much?
What I want to know is what is it with fans and this explosive conviction, this by-now entirely predictable, overwrought reflexive reaction that if a pass play goes awry and results in an interception, especially if it's anywhere near the end zone, that it was a terrible play to have ever considered running? Utterly egregious and unforgivable. It's so trite, and so predictable, that you would think that fans that want to be know-it-alls would be at least a little cautious in so quickly denouncing these sorts of plays, as being nearly childlike in their highly possible lack of depth of insight, and that it doesn't make you look smart or like you possess any subtlety in what you're seeing.... And only that the temptation to use the interception, very crudely and nakedly, as something to weaponize against the object of your hatred, in this case Tommy Rees, who I don't much care for either I will admit, is irresistible....
So do any of you really know wtf you're talking about? Could you actually give a TED talk to a roomful of coaches and they would all nod thoughtfully in agreement?
I don't know much about the art/science of good playcalling, which would seem very much like a pretty extremely esoteric thing. I do know we had 550 yards of total offense, scored 45 points, and as frequently is the case with Rees as OC, ran several plays both big and small where it really seemed like Rees dialed up a winner. Again, as much as I don't personally care for him, I had to grudgingly admit.....
So what's up with the ultra-predictable coach bashing whenever a pass play in the red zone gets picked?
So do any of you really know wtf you're talking about? Could you actually give a TED talk to a roomful of coaches and they would all nod thoughtfully in agreement?
I don't know much about the art/science of good playcalling, which would seem very much like a pretty extremely esoteric thing. I do know we had 550 yards of total offense, scored 45 points, and as frequently is the case with Rees as OC, ran several plays both big and small where it really seemed like Rees dialed up a winner. Again, as much as I don't personally care for him, I had to grudgingly admit.....
So what's up with the ultra-predictable coach bashing whenever a pass play in the red zone gets picked?
I'll tell you what, look up the actual stats on our 1st down play calls. If the ratio of runs to passes is even half of what you are claiming - so 5 runs to 1 pass - I'll buy you a pair of tickets to the game of your choice next season.
I agree with your sentiment about decisive opinions about Tommy being fired.
But I disagree that one needs to be a totally knowledgeable football coach to recognize errors and areas of improvement. Coaches might get 95% right that you and I never could, but we as dedicated fans can identify 5% that might be off.
Do you ever watch chess? Internet commenters often spot a decisive weakness in a move, well before the player realizes it. That doesn't mean the commenter is as good as the grandmaster.
Point blank: I'm not a very good game caller, needing an immersion in Xs and Os. But even I saw that Tommy made some egregious specific mistakes as well as not optimally handling Estime. He's done this all season, making inopportune calls. It even took a while for him to realize he had a power running game.
Like I said, I don't decisively call for anything but saying Tommy is learning on the job, to the point where it seems a liability against the better teams.
